It’s a bad day for human beings

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[quote=FlyerInHi]

If I recall, ZK posted about his golf buddy who watches Fox News. Zk is too nice, but I’m sure that if he were to behave symmetrically, the friend would no longer be friend. Obvious tilted relationship. I challenge anyone to test my observations.
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[quote=zk]
Your “observations” are made up, you idiot. Go back and read the posts:
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[quote=FlyerInHi]
I re-read as you suggested and i found nothing.
You did agree that there is asymmetry in left vs right media.

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Wow, brian. That’s something trump would do. Get called out on some shit he was obviously wrong about, and then make up some nonsense to make it sound like he was right and then hope nobody notices or cares. I shouldn’t have to spell this out for you, but I’m going to anyway, in case you’re actually too stupid to understand where you went wrong (which I doubt) rather than just trying to manipulate the conversation using misdirection and half-truths: Agreeing that there is asymmetry in the media is not the same as having an asymmetrical friendship. They don’t even have anything to do with one another.

[FlyerInHi]

Please point to the exact quote you posted before about your friendship with that Fox News lover. I don’t find it.

All relationships are asymmetrical because of power dynamics. It’s a matter of degrees. If it doesn’t apply to you, then I apologize. My observation is that liberals tend to be more conciliatory “for the greater good”. My point is that doesn’t work. People don’t get it unless given some of their own medicine. That’s the deterrent principle conservatives operate by.

[Coronita]

Zk. Happy holidays. I am not taking the bait from Brian, either on this thread of the other on the “right wing media” he resurrected to start stir shit up again on a real estate blog out of all places, like I said he would do. That’s why I haven’t even even read each of his ignored posts. Like I said, I know what his motives are, and I don’t really want to encourage this mental illness. You cannot reason with someone unreasonable. Have a great holiday.

[zk]

[quote=flu]Zk. Happy holidays. I am not taking the bait from Brian, either on this thread of the other on the “right wing media” he resurrected to start stir shit up again on a real estate blog out of all places, like I said he would do. That’s why I haven’t even even read each of his ignored posts. Like I said, I know what his motives are, and I don’t really want to encourage this mental illness. You cannot reason with someone unreasonable. Have a great holiday.[/quote]

Thanks, flu. I’m basically an atheist, but I celebrate christmas. I love the festiveness, the music, the lights, and the giving.

Happy holidays to you and yours.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Please point to the exact quote you posted before about your friendship with that Fox News lover. I don’t find it.

All relationships are asymmetrical because of power dynamics. It’s a matter of degrees. If it doesn’t apply to you, then I apologize. My observation is that liberals tend to be more conciliatory “for the greater good”. My point is that doesn’t work. People don’t get it unless given some of their own medicine. That’s the deterrent principle conservatives operate by.[/quote]

It’s all right there in the link I already provided. Read the whole page.

Apology accepted.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]

If you moderste left leaning people expect moderate right people to reject the crazy alt right that has become pervasive in America , you need to do your part and reject the crazy alt left thinking and hypocrisy fridges too
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Complete deflection and not taking responsibility. Why is one behavior contingent upon another behavior? Just do what you think is right.

We have alt-right in the White House. Exactly what is alt-left?

[FlyerInHi]

I read this piece by EJ Dione. He’s contradictory. He and other progressives understand very well why deplorables are deplorable. What he’s suggesting is that rather than speak the truth about deplorables, we should coddle their sensitive egos.

Progressives always wanted policies to equip our people for a transistion to a more urban globalized/international world. Those policies, with education and infrastructure buildup should have been implemented after NAFTA and rampted up when China joined WTO. However, progressive ideas were rejected in favor of war and badass feel good patriotic rhetoric. So we have what we have today. The onus is on the Republicans, not Democrats.

In the end it’s all about economic anxiety. China is focused on policies that build the economy, whereas the USA is focused on policies that make deplorables momentarily feel good.

Progressives need to understand why people are attracted to Trump and and the far right
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/there-is-much-to-fear-about-nationalism-but-liberals-need-to-address-it-the-right-way/2018/12/30/2c6e8f24-0ab7-11e9-88e3-989a3e456820_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60aeeafd7974

I would do the opposite of what EJ Dione suggests. Somebody needs to say it like it is to Trump supporters (with or without government help, they need to upgrade their education, attitude and skills) so they snap out of their delusions. Talking nice to them only enables them further.

[Coronita]

Hey NeetaT.

Good news. Not trying to make more straw arguments ( get it, ha!)… But CA didn’t ban plastic straws from use.

All they did was prohibit full-service restaurants from serving drinks with plastic straws without the customer asking. You can still ask for a straw.

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[quote=zk]
Thanks, flu. I’m basically an atheist, but I celebrate christmas. I love the festiveness, the music, the lights, and the giving.
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Same here zk, on all of the above.

I doubt I would put up a tree or lights if it weren’t for the kiddos and wife (who all insist), but I certainly enjoy the displays that others put out.

I use “happy holidays” as opposed to “merry christmas” since it is more inclusive.

[FlyerInHi]

I watched Amy Chua talk about her book, Political Tribes.
I guess I’m a coastal elite even though San Diego is a second tier city. Urban comospolitan, very judgmental, morally superior. etc..

Bob Kagan, who is a neo con, but supported Hillary, also made good points. The deplorables have always been around and there is no equivalence between Trump supporters and “coastal elites”. I love it that he said there is no question to which the answer is Donald Trump.

You too, zk, you’re a coastal elite. But you’re a lot nicer.

Ahh, why are Americans so sensitive? I know many Chinese people and they have no problem describing a city first tier or third tier. My Chinese friends frequently use the term “excellent” to describe education, food,etc. things that are not excellent are bad. So why not strive for excellent? Can you imagine officially rating American cities in tiers?

[FlyerInHi]

So i was talking to a friend about a guy who didn’t visit his retired parents for 2 years for voting for Donald Trump. Good for him. He did visit this past Christmas, however.

The dad was a college professor at a shit college and mom was a therapist. They are educated but they are Christians from flyover. The son is now a “coastal elite”. Good thing the parents have come around and have seen the errors of their ways. They are now lamenting all the stuff Trump has done. Their only excuse was that they “couldn’t vote for Hillary.”

Younger folks should not make excuses and enable their relatives. They should push back symmetrically, if not harder. As Trump would do, if you have the power, use it. And old folks need young folks more.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]Their only excuse was that they “couldn’t vote for Hillary.”

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And you can bet your last nickel that the reason they couldn’t vote for Hillary was that right-wing propaganda had filled their heads with nonsense about her.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=zk][quote=FlyerInHi]Their only excuse was that they “couldn’t vote for Hillary.”

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And you can bet your last nickel that the reason they couldn’t vote for Hillary was that right-wing propaganda had filled their heads with nonsense about her.[/quote]

Yes, right wing nonsense. The parents mentioned Hillary’s emails. The son is in tech and didn’t think it’s any big deal.

Amy Chua said that the populist White working class (Whites without college education) view the “coastal elites” (educated urbanites of all races) as a “market dominant minority” that they resent. Populists are receptive to promises made by authoritarians who manipulate them to gain power. Authoritarians like Trump use the populists but never deliver.

Christopher Wylie, a former director of Cambridge Analytica said it’s done by exploiting mental vulnerabilities to activate neuroticism, paranoia and racial biases.

[zk]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

Christopher Wylie, a former director of Cambridge Analytica said it’s done by exploiting mental vulnerabilities to activate neuroticism, paranoia and racial biases.[/quote]

Standard, age-old propaganda methods, I would presume.

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