Ot. I don’t feel thankful

[flyer]

[quote=zk][quote=flyer]”Different times call for different explanations.” That’s exactly why my wife invests in films she believes in. Well put.[/quote]

Fascinating.

Is that also exactly why you believe in your particular god?[/quote]

Thanks for asking, because I do so value your opinion, but I’ll just leave it at fascinating.

[zk]

[quote=flyer][quote=zk][quote=flyer]”Different times call for different explanations.” That’s exactly why my wife invests in films she believes in. Well put.[/quote]

Fascinating.

Is that also exactly why you believe in your particular god?[/quote]

Thanks for asking, because I do so value your opinion, but I’ll just leave it at fascinating.[/quote]

Hey, you went a whole post without humble bragging or even regular bragging. Congratulations!

Anyway, I didn’t really want your undoubtedly-nonsensical answer, if you had one at all. I know you can’t logically defend your belief in your particular god, and I wouldn’t expect you to try.

But you respond to this:

[quote=scaredyclassic]why would we expect any religion to satisfyingly explain what we think is,reality for thousands of years?

…
different times call for different explanations.[/quote]

which basically calls your religion nonsense (if your god were real, it would be easy for him and his religion to satisfyingly explain reality forever, let alone thousands of years), with a typical and completely irrelevant (and typically completely irrelevant) mention of your wealth or your house in rancho santa fe or your wife’s film connections or your investment properties or your ivy-league kids or your fantastic vacations.

And then you get offended when asked about the actual subject that was being discussed.

smdh

[scaredyclassic]

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[scaredyclassic]

so the,weird thing is, I think I probably believe in my explanation of reality more than most Christians believe in their version of a loving and personally concerned G-d.

just a gut instinct.

it wouldn’t take much in terms of a few really bad life events to shake most Christians of the thought that He is watching over them, say if their children are kidnapped, raped, tortured over a period of years and then murdered, even though they go to church weekly, and then have to sit and listen to the murderer talk about his acceprance of jesus christ at trial…but my faith works in good and bad times.

[flyer]

scaredy–as long as what you believe works for you–that’s what matters.

Whatever each of us believe, the bottom line is that all of us will eventually cease to exist in our present form, so, imo, although none of us really know what (if anything) lies beyond this existence, fully embracing the present is the greatest gift this life has to offer.

[scaredyclassic]

yes.

thats why I am roller skating a LOT more.

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredyclassic]
it wouldn’t take much in terms of a few really bad life events to shake most Christians of the thought that He is watching over them, say if their children are kidnapped, raped, tortured over a period of years and then murdered, even though they go to church weekly, and then have to sit and listen to the murderer talk about his acceprance of jesus christ at trial…but my faith works in good and bad times.[/quote]

So you’re saying that a Christian would fail when tested, but you would not?

I pray that none of us are ever tested in the way you describe here.

[Anonymous]

Any amount of roller skating is a lot more roller skating.

[scaredyclassic]

my worldview would not fail…that is…we are a series of random events in a computer program for the entertainment of alien programmers…I personally could fail, but that would just be a thing that happened.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

it wouldn’t take much in terms of a few really bad life events to shake most Christians of the thought that He is watching over them, say if their children are kidnapped, raped, tortured over a period of years and then murdered, even though they go to church weekly, and then have to sit and listen to the murderer talk about his acceprance of jesus christ at trial…but my faith works in good and bad times.[/quote]

After you commit a crime, if caught, just claim you found Jesus and ask for forgiveness

[moneymaker]

scaredy,
I believe your view is influenced by many years of video games. As such it might be one that could catch on, though it sounds vaguely like the matrix. That view that we don’t matter may be what allows people to go out and do these mass shootings, they feel it doesn’t matter any more.
I do agree with some of what you say, I think GOD can be an inspirational “person” who inspires thoughts into some and then watches to see what happens. It is extrememly hard for me to believe that GOD would want children to be born with deformities and good honest people to lead lives like Job.

[njtosd]

[quote=zk][quote=njtosd]
Just for the record, there are many very logical people in the world who believe that there is something more to life. For instance, Francis Collins, NIH director, director of the human genome project, current Christian and former atheist.[/quote]

Well, it depends on what you mean by “more to life,” but if you mean that they believe in something that they have no logical reason to believe in, then those people are, by definition, not logical (regarding their belief that there is “more to life”).[/quote]

Logic only works when you have information to manipulate. To analogize – if the world were an enormous room and there was a door that you could use to leave but could never return, logic is useless to determine what’s on the other side of the door. I realize that you can say it’s just another enormous room containing the people who left, but you have no data – it could be a swimming pool full of Skittles.

[scaredyclassic]

I would like to join a church, but just for the sociability of it.

I have trouble not wincing when I hear the word “jesus” tho. makes me feel pressured, or like some scam is gonna go down.

[zk]

[quote=njtosd][quote=zk][quote=njtosd]
Just for the record, there are many very logical people in the world who believe that there is something more to life. For instance, Francis Collins, NIH director, director of the human genome project, current Christian and former atheist.[/quote]

Well, it depends on what you mean by “more to life,” but if you mean that they believe in something that they have no logical reason to believe in, then those people are, by definition, not logical (regarding their belief that there is “more to life”).[/quote]

Logic only works when you have information to manipulate. To analogize – if the world were an enormous room and there was a door that you could use to leave but could never return, logic is useless to determine what’s on the other side of the door. I realize that you can say it’s just another enormous room containing the people who left, but you have no data – it could be a swimming pool full of Skittles.[/quote]

We do have information to analyze. We have a certain amount of understanding of the laws of physics, and we have some observations of our universe. To analogize – to take our knowledge of the universe and conclude that the christian (or any particular) god exists is like seeing a swimming pool full of skittles and concluding that it’s the people who left.

[njtosd]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I would like to join a church, but just for the sociability of it.

I have trouble not wincing when I hear the word “jesus” tho. makes me feel pressured, or like some scam is gonna go down.[/quote]

Scaredy – it is possible that you are Doug Forcett: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvmRQGKrV-g

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