Ot. I don’t feel thankful

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]I think its just common knowledge that men are pretty disgusting, sexual ly, and will at least briefly consider fucking anything, living or not.[/quote]

I think American Christian men in particular because religion screws with their heads. Plus they lead lonely macho lives as head of the family and they have few friends and few social outlets.

I don’t know any conservative Muslims or Orthodox Jews, but I suppose strong religiosity fucks with the head. Non believers, Buddhists and atheists are pretty easy going.

I remember back in HS, there was a scandal. An evangelical Vietnam vet was arrested for molesting his own son and daughter. I knew the kids as me and my bro hung out with them sometimes. The mother failed to press charges and bailed out her husband. Then they moved away. Back then it was more lax.

A Christian business friend went to prison for molesting his own daughters and other young girls.

I think Ribbles is right. The parents and the environment play a big role.

[scaredyclassic]

jesus: love people.

humans: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

[Anonymous]

Someone needs to take a drive out to the desert.

http://joshuatree.guide/salvation-mountain/

We lost Leonard a few years ago.

If you had met him, he may have changed your viewpoint.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=harvey]Someone needs to take a drive out to the desert.

http://joshuatree.guide/salvation-mountain/

We lost Leonard a few years ago.

If you had met him, he may have changed your viewpoint.[/quote]

doubtful.

it feels inherently aggressive and coercive and even threatening to claim ,Jesus is the only way to heaven, you go to hell if you don’t believe and you should join up because our specific conception of G-d died for you. ya in grate.

christianity basically requires adherents to “spread the good news”, but it feels judgmental and coercive to be pummeled with that message…like, condescending and annoying.

I guess the evangelical pummeling views himself as just a friendly hand from a helpful Christian, but I don’t see it that way.

if the shoe was on the other foot, if I went around all day accosting strangers and encouraged kids to become Muslim because it’s the only way, I would be PUNCHED IN THE FACE. repeatedly…by christians. I bet I couldn’t do it for 10 minutes outside any church im the USA without someone calling the cops.

any religion that claims to be the ultimate truth , the basis of society and the only way to salvation is i think saying nonbelievers are incomplete at best and defective at worst and is therefore not friendly.

unless you handle snakes. poisonous ones. that I’m willing to listen about…

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

I like that…maybe only the snake guys are going to heaven…even for Christians, who kinda take the bible literally, most would be irritated if a snake handling sect said snakiness was mandatory for heaven…because…most of us don’t WANT to handle poisonous snakes…

so, tring to convert someone to Christianity is as irritating as someone who constantly tried to get you to pick up a rattlesnake. because it’s obviously untrue, in our video simulation, there is no way belief inoculated against snakebite.

man, jesus bugs me.

[njtosd]

Hmm. I’m not sure about all of this. Other than a few random people who have come to my front door with literature from time to time (and they have been very non-aggressive) no one ever has ever tried in person to impose their version of Christianity (or other religion) on me. Now that I think about it, there was that “Jews for Jesus” guy in high school, but that was just confusing. Once again, I think we should focus on our personal experience(s), not the trash that the media presents as the truth.

If I chose to, I could paint a similarly insulting vision of anyone else’s religion, but I see no point in doing so. Peace be with you, Scaredy.

[FlyerInHi]

So well put scaredy. That’s how people in foreign countries feel about Christian missionaries. Freedom of religion bullshit. It’s a question of power and economics and culture.

I’m waiting for the day when India, China, Africa are economically strong and they send their missionaries over here, and we are forced to allow them. We will see how the Christians like freedom of speech and religion then.

[NotCranky]

I have always kind of guessed that the evangelical pummeling you with his views is playing a game of one-upsmanship against me somewhere in his own mind, subconscious probably.. While doing so he deceives himself that he is also more like the heroic Jesus than and not the boring and frightened creature that he is.

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredyclassic]man, jesus bugs me.[/quote]

His message, even when not perfectly conveyed, is still infinitely more compelling than your whining.

[Anonymous]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I’m waiting for the day when India, China, Africa are economically strong and they send their missionaries over here, and we are forced to allow them. [/quote]

That happened decades ago, and Rex Kramer took care of it:

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]So well put scaredy. That’s how people in foreign countries feel about Christian missionaries. Freedom of religion bullshit. It’s a question of power and economics and culture.

I’m waiting for the day when India, China, Africa are economically strong and they send their missionaries over here, and we are forced to allow them. We will see how the Christians like freedom of speech and religion then.[/quote]

Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the 10 Commandments plus “Love thy neighbor as thyself” (both a Christian value and a quote from Leviticus). You can ignore the ones about God for now – we’ll just leave the rest of the theological issues aside. No locks on the doors, no guns, no military, no people living in trash heaps in Los Angeles (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-riverbed-debris-20180310-story.html) You’d still have to deal with the unavoidable illnesses, negligence, accidents and such but it would be pretty sweet. It would also probably cause an enormous economic depression because we spend a lot of time and money protecting ourselves from those who mean us harm.

And, due to recent developments in China – I doubt religion is going to get a shot in the arm there.

[zk]

[quote=njtosd]
Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the 10 Commandments plus “Love thy neighbor as thyself” (both a Christian value and a quote from Leviticus). [/quote]

Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the word of the bible. Every word of the bible. The whole bible.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=zk][quote=njtosd]
Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the 10 Commandments plus “Love thy neighbor as thyself” (both a Christian value and a quote from Leviticus). [/quote]

Just for fun, imagine how a single day in your life would be different if everyone followed the word of the bible. Every word of the bible. The whole bible.[/quote]

You shall have no other gods before Me.

mmm. sounds like fighting words.

You shall not make idols.

ok. kinda vague and weird. bad for the idol industry, but ok. I get a lot out of literature, sports, nature..might suppose those are false idols I’ve created…

You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

oddly threatening. fuck off…and why can’t I question his cruel device?

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

same. would be nice if we could at least not sell liquor tho.

Honor your father and your mother.

ok. that one’s nice. I approve.

You shall not murder.

for this we need a religion?

You shall not commit adultery.

uhhh….this one’s a tough sell in a modern feminist society. one mate, forever, no splitting up? ever?

You shall not steal.

I like it…but, like the next one…

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

easily covered by statute.

You shall not covet.

don’t do what we are naturally inclined to do. but its good advice. be happy with your lot in life…not sure a command to knock it off is effective though. perhaps psychotherapy would help?

not sure these 10 strictly followed uniquely help.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=harvey][quote=scaredyclassic]man, jesus bugs me.[/quote]

His message, even when not perfectly conveyed, is still infinitely more compelling than your whining.[/quote]

what part of the message is compelling? the afterlife part? in general, when people threaten me, I do the opposite of what they want.

but when He threatens us, we are supposed to listen?

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

yeah, well, your threats kind of undermine your message. chill out dude. I don’t like to be pushed around. no one does…on the other hand the sheep like a strong hand. without the threat of hell, and the promise of heaven, what’s left? be nice Cuz I said so?

also.

love thy neighbor as thyself is a dumb strategy in a society filled with self loathing assholes, like ours.

[scaredyclassic]

I am open though to some sort of miracle conversion experience.

frankly, id love to see G-d win me over.

unlikely tho. im so mad at Him.

[scaredyclassic]

One of the problems with love thy neighbor as thyself is in imagining how to act onn it, we act on it from the position of where we are today. So, if we are very anxious about crime, loving our neighbor would be viewed as allowing him to have the same stash of guns we would want. We love others in the way we would wish to be loved, given our situation, our limited imagination of how others would want to be loved. It simply doesn’t allow for diverse ways one would imagine we need love.

Worse, though, is that it locks us into a worldview based on who we are. A more creative endeavor would be to imagine a scenario where we are not yet born and have no idea who we are in society. We could end up being anyone, from a homeless dude to a pedophile to the president. With no information on who we are and what we need, how might we interpret love your neighbor as yourself? What sort of society would best serve that goal? Without a reimagining of how things might be constructed from the ground up, love your neighbor as yourself is no different than saying, buy people gifts that you would like. Doing unto others what you would like done to you is a recipe for misunderstanding. We might not tolerate the pedophiles behavior, even if we turned out to be him, and would want to keep him in check. But is it really helpful to say love him as yourself? It’s just superficial and phony

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