How is CV schools compared with Del Sur?

[scaredyclassic]

Did not know about racism against Asians. Would make sense to change the name. I told my kid to start identifying as Hispanic but I think he checked Hmong or Croatian just to be difficult. Not sure where he got that quality from. Frwakonomics taught that blacks with black names had trouble getting resumes read but maybe it’d be an advantage in college admissions. Instead of lily chan or Joseph Wang try naming kid dashaun or Shamika.

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[quote=4slive]But in 92130, 92129, 92127. The high school API are largely contributed from asian (Chinese, Indian and Korean) students’ excellent academy. Of course a large percentage of their parents are new immigrants with high education background and high pay also.[/quote]

My kid’s class in 4S has 2 kids of Chinese origin, 2 Korean and one Indian, for the total of exactly 20% of the kids. They might be contributing (2 out of 5 are not in the math challenge group), but there just aren’t enough of them to be the driving force.

[sdduuuude]

I agree that parent involvement and parent expectations of kids and teachers can make or break a school.

I think the Asian thing is just numerology. You see the numbers and try to read something into it. People’s ethnicity matters little. What matters is how hard-working the kids are, how involved the parents are, and the expectations that the parents have for the kids.

It would be interesting to see test scores of the parents at these schools …

[UCGal]

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It would be interesting to see test scores of the parents at these schools …[/quote]

I’d just love to see them try to test the parents. LOL.

[sdrealtor]

speaking to ocr’s comments on Ivy Leagues. It has a lot to do with legacies. Lots of alumni jewish doctors and lawyers send their kids to their alma maters often tuition fre. They donate lots of money and have inside connections into the system they were a part of. Alot of my neighbors growing up were physicians at Univ of Penn. Not only did their kids all get in but they went because mom and/or dad were university employees so their tuition was free. Those places have HUGE endowments. I think it is alot more of that than outright discrimination against asians.

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It would be interesting to see test scores of the parents at these schools …[/quote]

Walterwhite mentioned Freakonomics, above, which also had some interesting information about parental expectations and school performance. In short, children who grew up in homes with a lot of books were found to be better students. Interestingly, though, it didn’t matter whether the children in these book filled homes actually READ the books. The difference was that smart, education minded parents tended to buy more books, and they also tended to pass their smart genes and work habits on to their kids.

So my guess is that the parents at these schools would have test scores similar to their kids – you don’t get apples off of orange trees.

[cvmom]

I am currently deep into the Carmel Valley middle school/high school scene and have lots of experience with Asian parents (Chinese, Korean and Indian). My observations:

1. It’s not one-size-fits-all, that’s for sure. Some Chinese parents are the classic “tiger” parents, who will roar at anyone who gets in the way of their kids’ Ivy resume-preparation. Some are the nicest people who are teaching their kids excellence, but not at the cost of human kindness/fairness. Bunch of great parents out there, long as you avoid the ones with the knives under their jackets, ready to stab anyone who gets in the way.
2. I think the CV high schools offer an amazing breadth of high-level (AP, etc.) classes and top-notch teachers. There’s a reason TP has such a great reputation, and CCA is now right up there with it.
3. Bottom-line: if your middle- or high-school kid finds a great peer group of kids who are motivated and smart and kind, who cares what their ethnicity is. And the chances of that seem very good in CV.

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The verb conjugation error in the title of this thread always makes me chuckle.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CONCHO]The verb conjugation error in the title of this thread always makes me chuckle.[/quote]

Yes, yes. Should be
“How BE CV schools compared with Del Sur ?”

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[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CONCHO]The verb conjugation error in the title of this thread always makes me chuckle.[/quote]

Yes, yes. Should be
“How BE CV schools compared with Del Sur ?”[/quote]

He shoots he SCORES! Hahahaha

[sdduuuude]

[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude]
It would be interesting to see test scores of the parents at these schools …[/quote]

I’d just love to see them try to test the parents. LOL.[/quote]

If I had a school, it would be part of the entrance requirements. But it’d be more of a personality test.

[ocrenter]

[quote=sdrealtor]speaking to ocr’s comments on Ivy Leagues. It has a lot to do with legacies. Lots of alumni jewish doctors and lawyers send their kids to their alma maters often tuition fre. They donate lots of money and have inside connections into the system they were a part of. Alot of my neighbors growing up were physicians at Univ of Penn. Not only did their kids all get in but they went because mom and/or dad were university employees so their tuition was free. Those places have HUGE endowments. I think it is alot more of that than outright discrimination against asians.[/quote]

not saying there isn’t some of that alumni issue. I know there is. But for that to be the difference between the 15% acceptance rate of Asians vs 30% acceptance rate of Jews, that’s a much bigger share of the pie then I would have ever imagined. And I can’t imagine a school would be able to retain its top caliber status letting that many lesser qualified alumni children in.

[sdrealtor]

Who said anything about them being lesser qualified? The kids with two physician parents carry those same genes and work ethics. My friends growing up all had 1500+ SAT scores, all AP/Honors classes, high GPA’s, were atheletes, well traveled, musically inclined and active in community service projects. They tend to have more diverse backgrounds which is something the Ivy’s love. I could be wrong and please feel free to correct me but Asians seem to be all in on grades and test scores but less so on community service and extra curricular activities.

[Anonymous]

[quote=ocrenter]And I can’t imagine a school would be able to retain its top caliber status letting that many lesser qualified alumni children in.[/quote]

I recently read something about the profile of Harvard applicants, who they accept and who they deny. (Don’t remember where I read it, I think it was in Glaswell’s Outilers)

Because so many exceptional people competing for such a relatively small number of spots, the threshold for “qualified” is only used for the first stages of the cut. In the final stages, for every one they ultimately accept, there are several equally qualified applications that they reject.

There are so many strongly qualified applicants per slot (perfect grades, nearly 1600 SATs, lots of extracurriculars, etc.), that it is impossible to distinguish them in any objective way.

The last cut of the Harvard admissions process is not much different from a lottery. A random selection process for the last cut would be as fair and objective as any other method.

Harvard could easily filter the pool of qualified applicants by legacy, or race, or whatever, and not really change the aggregate caliber of the admitted class.

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[quote=sdrealtor]I could be wrong and please feel free to correct me but Asians seem to be all in on grades and test scores but less so on community service and extra curricular activities.[/quote]
I think you’re wrong. Those who want to get into to 30 university (and to a great extent top 10 university) knows that test scores is not enough. Those who try to get into those university will go above and beyond grades. Those are your athlete, class presidents, debate team, choir, community service, etc. All the while getting straight A’s and high SAT. If all you do is sit home and get good grades, I don’t think you can even get into UCR, much less those more prestigious schools. The Asians know this and they’ve been doing all of this for many many years. Example would be affirmative action in the 90s at the UC system. When it was enacted, Asians compose of about 20% of the student body. Now, Asian is 50% of UCSD, 43% at Berkeley, and 40% at UCLA. These top UC’s look for much more than grades, just like Ivy leaguers.

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