How is CV schools compared with Del Sur?

[an]

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Torrey Pines High:
Asian – 955
Hispanic or Latino – 744
White – 871

Mira Mesa High:
Asian – 895
Hispanic or Latino – 781
White – 869
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Looking at this alone it can’t be ethnicity alone since MM Asians are clearly scoring lower than Torrey Pines Asians.[/quote]
Totally agree, which is why I said this earlier:
[quote=AN]
I think it’s a combination of both demographics and ethnicity. You can’t dismiss the fact that most of the time, API score for Asians is higher than Whites in the same school. [/quote]
What’s also interesting is, Hispanic in MM is scoring better than Hispanic in Torrey Pines.

[zk]

[quote=briansd1]

I’m kind of an adherent of Tiger parenting. It works. It’s actually not much different from a strict Catholic education where eduction is the primary goal and religion is only secondary.[/quote]

Having been raised in a strict catholic environment and seeing tiger parenting all around me in CV (including my wife’s attempts at it), I can tell you that there is a vast difference between the two. They’re not in the same league. I’m not even sure it’s the same sport.

[sdrealtor]

AN
You are oversimplifying things. The smartest kids at our school aren’t Asian. Furthermore Asian and Hispanic are broad categories. The Asians in MM could be more skewedbtoward blue collar Vietnamese families while the the Asians in CV are skewed toward physician parent Chinese families to a greater extent. The Hispanics in CV could be from the Eden Gardens barrio area while the MM Hispanics from Qualcomm engineer parents. Ethnicity is too broad. You need to look at the education and values of the parents more than the ethnicity.

[an]

[quote=sdrealtor]AN
You are oversimplifying things. [/quote]
Why do you say I’m oversimplifying things? If anything, I’m complicating things. You said:
[quote=sdrealtor]It’s demographics beyond ethnicity. My kids school has o e of the highest API scores in the county and Asians make up a pretty low percentage of the students. The kids all grow up in households with highly educated parents hence they continue the cycle. Would love to say its the teachers but I don’t think so.[/quote]
and I said:
[quote=AN]I think it’s a combination of both demographics and ethnicity. You can’t dismiss the fact that most of the time, API score for Asians is higher than Whites in the same school. If the Asian population ins your kids’ school is larger, I’m sure their schools’ overall API score would be higher than it is today.[/quote]
So, in essence, you said it’s all about demographic and I’m trying to say it’s both demographic and ethnicity.

[quote=sdrealtor]The smartest kids at our school aren’t Asian. Furthermore Asian and Hispanic are broad categories. [/quote]You may be right that the smartest kids in your kids’ school is aren’t Asian, but if I’m looking at the right elementary school, the Asian students there on average have a higher API score than their white counter part.
[quote=sdrealtor]The Asians in MM could be more skewedbtoward blue collar Vietnamese families while the the Asians in CV are skewed toward physician parent Chinese families to a greater extent. The Hispanics in CV could be from the Eden Gardens barrio area while the MM Hispanics from Qualcomm engineer parents. Ethnicity is too broad. You need to look at the education and values of the parents more than the ethnicity.[/quote]
I won’t dispute these assumptions, since I don’t have data to disprove it. But, I’m not sure if you’re aware but you just proved my point. Lets assume your assumptions are correct in regards to the demographics. The blue collar Vietnamese are out scoring the professionals Hispanics in MM. The blue collar Vietnamese in MM are also outscoring the whites professionals in TP. The only group that outscore them are the professional Chinese in TP.

I never said ethnicity is the only factor that matter. You can easily prove that it’s not by looking at White’s API score in Carmel Valley vs Asian’s API score in any of the schools in East San Diego.

You’re correct that Asians and Hispanics are broad categories. Same with whites and blacks. However, we only have data broken down by ethnicity. It would be nice to see a more granular break down of the Asians and Hispanics categories. Unfortunately, we don’t have that data.

[4slive]

Asian is a broad category. When we talk about asian in good district, it mainly refers to Chinese, Indian and Korean in terms of population. Of course there are still quite a lot Vietnamnese, Philipino in good district like CV, but percentage is small.

[Coronita]

[quote=4slive]Asian is a broad category. When we talk about asian in good district, it mainly refers to Chinese, Indian and Korean in terms of population. Of course there are still quite a lot Vietnamnese, Philipino in good district like CV, but percentage is small.[/quote]

I know a lot of chinese people who are idiots, a lot of koreans who are idiots, and a lot of vietnanese who make a hell of lot more money than me…

Let’s face it. Some areas tend to bread folks of the same social-economic level… Look at the scores for something like Sage Canyon. Whether one race does better than another is really a statistical margin of error. The only difference really is that folks that send their kids to that school probably do relatively the same thing, want relatively the same thing, etc….

[ocrenter]

[quote=AN]

I agree with you that to completely remove yourself from discrimination, just change your name. If your kids are born here, give them American names. There’s no way anyone can tell my kids are Asian from their name. It always bug the hell out of me when they say they need more minorities at the Universities. Somehow, to those people, Asian are not considered as minority.[/quote]

Bottom line is the college admission guideline being practiced for some time now has been strictly racist against Asians. It is pure unadulterated racism coming from the left.

Jews, who are Caucasian, do not get discriminated against. They are less than 2% of the general population. Yet they are 25% of the Harvard population, and their numbers approach 30% in some Ivy League colleges. Does the fact that they are over-represented by over 12 times their weight in population cause Harvard to enforce significantly higher SAT and grade standards? Of course not, because they are still WHITE.

But to protect against the yellow peril, Harvard set quotas against Asian applicants and limit the Asian population in the teens (similar to the 20% population in UC campuses before the racist policy of “affirmative action was lifted in the UC system). In fact, for some reason, ALL Ivy League schools ALL seem to be able to find just about 15% of Asians worthy of admission year after year.

This is why Asian teenagers are now taught they need to hide their race when applying to Ivy League schools. Do Jewish students, 12 times over-represented, need to hide their Jewishness? No. If a group is forced to hide their identity to get equal treatment, that is racism, period.

[ocrenter]

[quote=bearishgurl][quote=briansd1] . . . The stats do show that Asians consistently outscore the other groups. Numbers don’t lie, or do they?

Interesting article on college admissions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html
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…Budget-strapped state schools such as the University of California at San Diego are reducing enrollment of Asian-Americans to make room for international students from China and elsewhere who pay almost twice the tuition of in-state residents, Bloomberg News reported Dec. 28….

This is only the beginning. When all the Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who will soon be bumped from the military and given Veteran’s preference (and benefits) in the UC system, there will be few slots left for incoming freshman who are graduates of CA high schools and lifelong residents no matter WHAT their GPA and SAT scores.[/quote]

What is the true percentage of international students in undergrad campuses? marginal. if you can find data supporting your assertion that Chinese international students are bumping out vets in colleges, ANY colleges, with subpar scores and grades purely because of colleges’ need for cash, SHOW US THE DATA.

Don’t pull this type of foreigners are taking our spot comments without proof. that puts you in a really bad light.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=ocrenter][quote=bearishgurl][quote=briansd1] . . . The stats do show that Asians consistently outscore the other groups. Numbers don’t lie, or do they?

Interesting article on college admissions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html
[/quote]

…Budget-strapped state schools such as the University of California at San Diego are reducing enrollment of Asian-Americans to make room for international students from China and elsewhere who pay almost twice the tuition of in-state residents, Bloomberg News reported Dec. 28….

This is only the beginning. When all the Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who will soon be bumped from the military and given Veteran’s preference (and benefits) in the UC system, there will be few slots left for incoming freshman who are graduates of CA high schools and lifelong residents no matter WHAT their GPA and SAT scores.[/quote]

What is the true percentage of international students in undergrad campuses? marginal. if you can find data supporting your assertion that Chinese international students are bumping out vets in colleges, ANY colleges, with subpar scores and grades purely because of colleges’ need for cash, SHOW US THE DATA.

Don’t pull this type of foreigners are taking our spot comments without proof. that puts you in a really bad light.[/quote]

ocrenter, I was simply quoting the current Bloomberg report that brian posted. Why don’t you read the report and ask THEM where they got the data??

I can tell you that in my “college days” (which was “eons ago”), public universities across the country admitted many thousands of middle-eastern students simply because they paid 2-3 times the admission of in-state students. The vast bulk of these students took their degrees back home with them after their wealthy (Saudi and other nationality) fathers paid cash for their educations. The students were all male as middle-eastern women were not allowed to have careers at that time.

At the same time, vast numbers of returning Vietnam-era vets enrolled in universities across the nation using a “veteran’s preference” and the “Vietnam-Era GI Bill.”

We will see this phenomenon again beginning Fall 2012, IMHO. Iraq and Afghanistan vets have returned en masse in the last 3 months and are getting discharged, relocated and situated as Civilians by the military. When each one figures out what they want to major in and where they want to go to school, the Veteran’s Administration will assist them (in lieu of allowing them to retire with the military). Veteran’s preference in admissions WILL win out over recent HS grads with high GPA’s and SAT/ACT scores. They always have.

Due to this situation, I believe the CA community colleges are going to have to greatly expand their curriculum to accommodate far more recent HS grads as freshmen and serve to get their GE’s out of the way so they can enter a university with an associate degree as a junior as the freshman slots at the UC/CSU level will simply not be there in the coming years.

[bpnbpn]

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Torrey Pines High:
Asian – 955
Hispanic or Latino – 744
White – 871

Mira Mesa High:
Asian – 895
Hispanic or Latino – 781
White – 869
[/quote]

Looking at this alone it can’t be ethnicity alone since MM Asians are clearly scoring lower than Torrey Pines Asians.[/quote]

Note that most of the asians in CV are chinese and most of the asians in Mira mesa are vietnamese/Philippines etc…

[bpnbpn]

The topic started was whether the workload in CV is too stressful for a kid…how is it compared with del sur schools…

We are way off topic discussing ethnicity.

[an]

[quote=bpnbpn]Note that most of the asians in CV are chinese and most of the asians in Mira mesa are vietnamese/Philippines etc…[/quote]
Philipinos have their own category. So Asian in MM are mainly Vietnamese.

[SK in CV]

[quote=bpnbpn]The topic started was whether the workload in CV is too stressful for a kid…how is it compared with del sur schools…

We are way off topic discussing ethnicity.[/quote]

I can’t speak to how it compares to del sur schools, but my two kids in CV for high school were very comfortable. (both at TP) They were pretty much free range kids (ht to whoever here coined that phrase.) My daughter loved the work load. It challenged her. Never once even considered asking her if she’d done her homework. My son dealt with it. In the classes that interested him, he did the work and excelled. The one’s that didn’t, or where the teachers just didn’t provide the right motivation, he survived with as little effort as possible. I couldn’t have been happier with the education they got.

[an]

[quote=bpnbpn]The topic started was whether the workload in CV is too stressful for a kid…how is it compared with del sur schools…

We are way off topic discussing ethnicity.[/quote]
Unless you have a parent who have the same kids in both schools, there’s no way to know. It really depends on your kids. Some kids will breeze through AP classes in the best school and some kids will struggle in a regular class at a mediocre school.

Maybe, that’s who no one responded for 2-3 days, because no one really know the real answer. It comes down to your own kids capability. If you noticed, no one on this thread really answered your original question.

[ltsddd]

[quote=captcha][quote=AN]

Torrey Pines High:
Asian – 955
Hispanic or Latino – 744
White – 871

Mira Mesa High:
Asian – 895
Hispanic or Latino – 781
White – 869
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Looking at this alone it can’t be ethnicity alone since MM Asians are clearly scoring lower than Torrey Pines Asians.[/quote]

A more interesting question would be what’s the correlation between high API scores and success in life. There are schools that do put a lot of emphasis on tests taking.

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