Housing Tracker update – prices about to go over the cliff in San Diego

[MisterMark123]

Big drop this week in the median list price.

Now $400,000.

http://www.housingtracker.net/askingprices/California/SanDiego-Carlsbad-SanMarcos/

[SD Realtor]

My only comment is that those who track the housing market by the countywide price median get nothing more then…. well the countywide median.

What matters to me as a wouldbe buyer is the housing market in my zip code, for the type of housing I want. I don’t care what is happening in North Park, Eastlake or Escondido.

I care about interest rates, foreclosure and NOD rates, inventory, active/pending ratios, and other metrics.

It is an easy statement to say this or that submarket is holding up well or the crappy markets are not. That is a softball pitch. I do maintain that when it is all said and done the more desireable areas will come down. How far, I am not sure. I am not as pessimistic as some people here on this board who are predicting 50% drops in Carmel Valley and the likes. I guess in 2010-2011 we will have our answers. Until then, to me the data is still in flux.

[SD Realtor]

My only comment is that those who track the housing market by the countywide price median get nothing more then…. well the countywide median.

What matters to me as a wouldbe buyer is the housing market in my zip code, for the type of housing I want. I don’t care what is happening in North Park, Eastlake or Escondido.

I care about interest rates, foreclosure and NOD rates, inventory, active/pending ratios, and other metrics.

It is an easy statement to say this or that submarket is holding up well or the crappy markets are not. That is a softball pitch. I do maintain that when it is all said and done the more desireable areas will come down. How far, I am not sure. I am not as pessimistic as some people here on this board who are predicting 50% drops in Carmel Valley and the likes. I guess in 2010-2011 we will have our answers. Until then, to me the data is still in flux.

[SD Realtor]

My only comment is that those who track the housing market by the countywide price median get nothing more then…. well the countywide median.

What matters to me as a wouldbe buyer is the housing market in my zip code, for the type of housing I want. I don’t care what is happening in North Park, Eastlake or Escondido.

I care about interest rates, foreclosure and NOD rates, inventory, active/pending ratios, and other metrics.

It is an easy statement to say this or that submarket is holding up well or the crappy markets are not. That is a softball pitch. I do maintain that when it is all said and done the more desireable areas will come down. How far, I am not sure. I am not as pessimistic as some people here on this board who are predicting 50% drops in Carmel Valley and the likes. I guess in 2010-2011 we will have our answers. Until then, to me the data is still in flux.

[SD Realtor]

My only comment is that those who track the housing market by the countywide price median get nothing more then…. well the countywide median.

What matters to me as a wouldbe buyer is the housing market in my zip code, for the type of housing I want. I don’t care what is happening in North Park, Eastlake or Escondido.

I care about interest rates, foreclosure and NOD rates, inventory, active/pending ratios, and other metrics.

It is an easy statement to say this or that submarket is holding up well or the crappy markets are not. That is a softball pitch. I do maintain that when it is all said and done the more desireable areas will come down. How far, I am not sure. I am not as pessimistic as some people here on this board who are predicting 50% drops in Carmel Valley and the likes. I guess in 2010-2011 we will have our answers. Until then, to me the data is still in flux.

[SD Realtor]

My only comment is that those who track the housing market by the countywide price median get nothing more then…. well the countywide median.

What matters to me as a wouldbe buyer is the housing market in my zip code, for the type of housing I want. I don’t care what is happening in North Park, Eastlake or Escondido.

I care about interest rates, foreclosure and NOD rates, inventory, active/pending ratios, and other metrics.

It is an easy statement to say this or that submarket is holding up well or the crappy markets are not. That is a softball pitch. I do maintain that when it is all said and done the more desireable areas will come down. How far, I am not sure. I am not as pessimistic as some people here on this board who are predicting 50% drops in Carmel Valley and the likes. I guess in 2010-2011 we will have our answers. Until then, to me the data is still in flux.

[gandalf]

Beginning of all this, I thought we’d drop 30% nominal, 50% real after adjusting for inflation, currency/debt devaluation. We’ve reached that point already. Now, I think things are going to drop another 20% in nominal terms, and more if the economy really falls out from under us, which is a real possibility. Oil shocks and commodities may tip the balance in that direction.

What really scares me is the financial scene. It’s an absolute mess. The leverage is frightening, asset values based on revenue streams that were never unsustainable. Levered up during growth and compressed down as we contract. The books just don’t balance. Widespread financial pain, foreclosures, bankruptcies and dislocation is unavoidable at this point.

I always think back, compare to the first job I had out of college working on an MBS trading desk on Wall Street, cleaning up after the S&L crisis, RTC days. It was my job to analyze and assess whole loan pool characteristics, help the traders figure out how to slice-and-dice the pools, packaging securities. The cycle we’re going through is easily 3-4 times worse, metrics I’ve seen.

So I think we’re going to see things continue to deteriorate for the next 2-3 years, with another 20% off current prices. Not sure what will happen with inflation. Helps debt issues obviously, though a serious contraction might result in deflation, which would exacerbate asset and debt pricing/value disparities. No good sides to this. We’ve run out the clock.

No areas immune either. I think this one’s going to hammer rich, middle and poor alike. Staggered effects on the wealthier areas, in part due to better loan products, in part due to Bush policies of wealth redistribution (towards upper quintile). But at the end of all this, there are going to be alot of wealthy people who ended up losing their shirts. Also, I think lots of retirees are going to get creamed, impacted by declining value of assets and savings.

[gandalf]

Beginning of all this, I thought we’d drop 30% nominal, 50% real after adjusting for inflation, currency/debt devaluation. We’ve reached that point already. Now, I think things are going to drop another 20% in nominal terms, and more if the economy really falls out from under us, which is a real possibility. Oil shocks and commodities may tip the balance in that direction.

What really scares me is the financial scene. It’s an absolute mess. The leverage is frightening, asset values based on revenue streams that were never unsustainable. Levered up during growth and compressed down as we contract. The books just don’t balance. Widespread financial pain, foreclosures, bankruptcies and dislocation is unavoidable at this point.

I always think back, compare to the first job I had out of college working on an MBS trading desk on Wall Street, cleaning up after the S&L crisis, RTC days. It was my job to analyze and assess whole loan pool characteristics, help the traders figure out how to slice-and-dice the pools, packaging securities. The cycle we’re going through is easily 3-4 times worse, metrics I’ve seen.

So I think we’re going to see things continue to deteriorate for the next 2-3 years, with another 20% off current prices. Not sure what will happen with inflation. Helps debt issues obviously, though a serious contraction might result in deflation, which would exacerbate asset and debt pricing/value disparities. No good sides to this. We’ve run out the clock.

No areas immune either. I think this one’s going to hammer rich, middle and poor alike. Staggered effects on the wealthier areas, in part due to better loan products, in part due to Bush policies of wealth redistribution (towards upper quintile). But at the end of all this, there are going to be alot of wealthy people who ended up losing their shirts. Also, I think lots of retirees are going to get creamed, impacted by declining value of assets and savings.

[gandalf]

Beginning of all this, I thought we’d drop 30% nominal, 50% real after adjusting for inflation, currency/debt devaluation. We’ve reached that point already. Now, I think things are going to drop another 20% in nominal terms, and more if the economy really falls out from under us, which is a real possibility. Oil shocks and commodities may tip the balance in that direction.

What really scares me is the financial scene. It’s an absolute mess. The leverage is frightening, asset values based on revenue streams that were never unsustainable. Levered up during growth and compressed down as we contract. The books just don’t balance. Widespread financial pain, foreclosures, bankruptcies and dislocation is unavoidable at this point.

I always think back, compare to the first job I had out of college working on an MBS trading desk on Wall Street, cleaning up after the S&L crisis, RTC days. It was my job to analyze and assess whole loan pool characteristics, help the traders figure out how to slice-and-dice the pools, packaging securities. The cycle we’re going through is easily 3-4 times worse, metrics I’ve seen.

So I think we’re going to see things continue to deteriorate for the next 2-3 years, with another 20% off current prices. Not sure what will happen with inflation. Helps debt issues obviously, though a serious contraction might result in deflation, which would exacerbate asset and debt pricing/value disparities. No good sides to this. We’ve run out the clock.

No areas immune either. I think this one’s going to hammer rich, middle and poor alike. Staggered effects on the wealthier areas, in part due to better loan products, in part due to Bush policies of wealth redistribution (towards upper quintile). But at the end of all this, there are going to be alot of wealthy people who ended up losing their shirts. Also, I think lots of retirees are going to get creamed, impacted by declining value of assets and savings.

[gandalf]

Beginning of all this, I thought we’d drop 30% nominal, 50% real after adjusting for inflation, currency/debt devaluation. We’ve reached that point already. Now, I think things are going to drop another 20% in nominal terms, and more if the economy really falls out from under us, which is a real possibility. Oil shocks and commodities may tip the balance in that direction.

What really scares me is the financial scene. It’s an absolute mess. The leverage is frightening, asset values based on revenue streams that were never unsustainable. Levered up during growth and compressed down as we contract. The books just don’t balance. Widespread financial pain, foreclosures, bankruptcies and dislocation is unavoidable at this point.

I always think back, compare to the first job I had out of college working on an MBS trading desk on Wall Street, cleaning up after the S&L crisis, RTC days. It was my job to analyze and assess whole loan pool characteristics, help the traders figure out how to slice-and-dice the pools, packaging securities. The cycle we’re going through is easily 3-4 times worse, metrics I’ve seen.

So I think we’re going to see things continue to deteriorate for the next 2-3 years, with another 20% off current prices. Not sure what will happen with inflation. Helps debt issues obviously, though a serious contraction might result in deflation, which would exacerbate asset and debt pricing/value disparities. No good sides to this. We’ve run out the clock.

No areas immune either. I think this one’s going to hammer rich, middle and poor alike. Staggered effects on the wealthier areas, in part due to better loan products, in part due to Bush policies of wealth redistribution (towards upper quintile). But at the end of all this, there are going to be alot of wealthy people who ended up losing their shirts. Also, I think lots of retirees are going to get creamed, impacted by declining value of assets and savings.

[gandalf]

Beginning of all this, I thought we’d drop 30% nominal, 50% real after adjusting for inflation, currency/debt devaluation. We’ve reached that point already. Now, I think things are going to drop another 20% in nominal terms, and more if the economy really falls out from under us, which is a real possibility. Oil shocks and commodities may tip the balance in that direction.

What really scares me is the financial scene. It’s an absolute mess. The leverage is frightening, asset values based on revenue streams that were never unsustainable. Levered up during growth and compressed down as we contract. The books just don’t balance. Widespread financial pain, foreclosures, bankruptcies and dislocation is unavoidable at this point.

I always think back, compare to the first job I had out of college working on an MBS trading desk on Wall Street, cleaning up after the S&L crisis, RTC days. It was my job to analyze and assess whole loan pool characteristics, help the traders figure out how to slice-and-dice the pools, packaging securities. The cycle we’re going through is easily 3-4 times worse, metrics I’ve seen.

So I think we’re going to see things continue to deteriorate for the next 2-3 years, with another 20% off current prices. Not sure what will happen with inflation. Helps debt issues obviously, though a serious contraction might result in deflation, which would exacerbate asset and debt pricing/value disparities. No good sides to this. We’ve run out the clock.

No areas immune either. I think this one’s going to hammer rich, middle and poor alike. Staggered effects on the wealthier areas, in part due to better loan products, in part due to Bush policies of wealth redistribution (towards upper quintile). But at the end of all this, there are going to be alot of wealthy people who ended up losing their shirts. Also, I think lots of retirees are going to get creamed, impacted by declining value of assets and savings.

[gdcox]

I looked at this link and the first thing that shouts is not the headline figure but the split by percentile.

The 75th percentile and above is stable to even rising. The 25th and below is falling the fastest .

To the extent you can rely on these figures (and there is no mix adjustment here etc), this is evidence is against those who argue that the upmarket areas will follow the cheap areas .
Any comments on this crude conclusion?

[gdcox]

I looked at this link and the first thing that shouts is not the headline figure but the split by percentile.

The 75th percentile and above is stable to even rising. The 25th and below is falling the fastest .

To the extent you can rely on these figures (and there is no mix adjustment here etc), this is evidence is against those who argue that the upmarket areas will follow the cheap areas .
Any comments on this crude conclusion?

[gdcox]

I looked at this link and the first thing that shouts is not the headline figure but the split by percentile.

The 75th percentile and above is stable to even rising. The 25th and below is falling the fastest .

To the extent you can rely on these figures (and there is no mix adjustment here etc), this is evidence is against those who argue that the upmarket areas will follow the cheap areas .
Any comments on this crude conclusion?

[gdcox]

I looked at this link and the first thing that shouts is not the headline figure but the split by percentile.

The 75th percentile and above is stable to even rising. The 25th and below is falling the fastest .

To the extent you can rely on these figures (and there is no mix adjustment here etc), this is evidence is against those who argue that the upmarket areas will follow the cheap areas .
Any comments on this crude conclusion?

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