Healthcare is not a right!?

[SK in CV]

[quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]

SK: And another 100,000 die per year due to medical accidents, improper treatments, etc. So, what’s your point?

Something else to consider: When in the history of this country has the government ever compelled its citizenry to comply with an order (buy health insurance) or face fines/sanctions? This is as authoritarian/autocratic as it comes and very few people seem all that outraged by this.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]

SK: And another 100,000 die per year due to medical accidents, improper treatments, etc. So, what’s your point?

Something else to consider: When in the history of this country has the government ever compelled its citizenry to comply with an order (buy health insurance) or face fines/sanctions? This is as authoritarian/autocratic as it comes and very few people seem all that outraged by this.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]

SK: And another 100,000 die per year due to medical accidents, improper treatments, etc. So, what’s your point?

Something else to consider: When in the history of this country has the government ever compelled its citizenry to comply with an order (buy health insurance) or face fines/sanctions? This is as authoritarian/autocratic as it comes and very few people seem all that outraged by this.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]

SK: And another 100,000 die per year due to medical accidents, improper treatments, etc. So, what’s your point?

Something else to consider: When in the history of this country has the government ever compelled its citizenry to comply with an order (buy health insurance) or face fines/sanctions? This is as authoritarian/autocratic as it comes and very few people seem all that outraged by this.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]

SK: And another 100,000 die per year due to medical accidents, improper treatments, etc. So, what’s your point?

Something else to consider: When in the history of this country has the government ever compelled its citizenry to comply with an order (buy health insurance) or face fines/sanctions? This is as authoritarian/autocratic as it comes and very few people seem all that outraged by this.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[mike92104]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=mike92104]I wonder if we should go the opposite route. Basic health care is the individuals responsibility. No insurance, just straight out of pocket. That way everybody has to consider the cost of everything. If you should get some awful disease that couldn’t be directly linked to poor lifestyle choices, and couldn’t afford the treatment, the the govt plan could cover you.[/quote]

Everything can be thought of as a poor lifestyle choice, especially living basically anyplace in SoCal where you have frequent unhealthy air, unhealthy commutes, and too much stress.[/quote]

Well then I guess nobody qualifies. Seriously though, I think most people understand what I meant. One example would be a smoker who has developed lung cancer.

Remember that the #1 cause of death is life.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]
936,923 people die every year from Major Cardiovasular Diseases.
553,091 people die every year from Malignant Neoplasms (Cancer).
69,301 people die every year from Diabetes Mellitus.
65,313 people die every year from the flu/Pneumonia.
43,354 people die every year from Motor Vehicle Accidents.

These are statistics gathered from 2002. Those numbers are probably higher today. Putting the 45k number into perspective. Wouldn’t it save more lives by forcing people to eat better and exercise to stamp out obesity? 58 million are overweight, 40 million are obese, 3 million are morbidly obese. 8 out of 10 over 25’s are overweight.

Obesity Related Diseases

* 80% of type II diabetes related to obesity
* 70% of Cardiovascular disease related to obesity
* 42% breast and colon cancer diagnosed among obese individuals
* 30% of gall bladder surgery related to obesity
* 26% of obese people having high blood pressure

This also ties into mike92104’s idea. 8 out of 10 people over 25 wouldn’t qualify because they are overweight.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]
936,923 people die every year from Major Cardiovasular Diseases.
553,091 people die every year from Malignant Neoplasms (Cancer).
69,301 people die every year from Diabetes Mellitus.
65,313 people die every year from the flu/Pneumonia.
43,354 people die every year from Motor Vehicle Accidents.

These are statistics gathered from 2002. Those numbers are probably higher today. Putting the 45k number into perspective. Wouldn’t it save more lives by forcing people to eat better and exercise to stamp out obesity? 58 million are overweight, 40 million are obese, 3 million are morbidly obese. 8 out of 10 over 25’s are overweight.

Obesity Related Diseases

* 80% of type II diabetes related to obesity
* 70% of Cardiovascular disease related to obesity
* 42% breast and colon cancer diagnosed among obese individuals
* 30% of gall bladder surgery related to obesity
* 26% of obese people having high blood pressure

This also ties into mike92104’s idea. 8 out of 10 people over 25 wouldn’t qualify because they are overweight.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]
936,923 people die every year from Major Cardiovasular Diseases.
553,091 people die every year from Malignant Neoplasms (Cancer).
69,301 people die every year from Diabetes Mellitus.
65,313 people die every year from the flu/Pneumonia.
43,354 people die every year from Motor Vehicle Accidents.

These are statistics gathered from 2002. Those numbers are probably higher today. Putting the 45k number into perspective. Wouldn’t it save more lives by forcing people to eat better and exercise to stamp out obesity? 58 million are overweight, 40 million are obese, 3 million are morbidly obese. 8 out of 10 over 25’s are overweight.

Obesity Related Diseases

* 80% of type II diabetes related to obesity
* 70% of Cardiovascular disease related to obesity
* 42% breast and colon cancer diagnosed among obese individuals
* 30% of gall bladder surgery related to obesity
* 26% of obese people having high blood pressure

This also ties into mike92104’s idea. 8 out of 10 people over 25 wouldn’t qualify because they are overweight.

[an]

[quote=SK in CV][quote=NeetaT] Those who claim they can’t afford healthcare costs are the same people who can somehow find a way to buy a new car or go on a lavish vacation. All I can say is please “Kill the Bill” so that I am not fleeced for more taxes. I will gladly pay for my own healthcare thank you.[/quote]

Dude, what world are you living in? 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don’t have medical insurance. 10’s of thousand go bankrupt. Nobody is trading a cruise for their life.[/quote]
936,923 people die every year from Major Cardiovasular Diseases.
553,091 people die every year from Malignant Neoplasms (Cancer).
69,301 people die every year from Diabetes Mellitus.
65,313 people die every year from the flu/Pneumonia.
43,354 people die every year from Motor Vehicle Accidents.

These are statistics gathered from 2002. Those numbers are probably higher today. Putting the 45k number into perspective. Wouldn’t it save more lives by forcing people to eat better and exercise to stamp out obesity? 58 million are overweight, 40 million are obese, 3 million are morbidly obese. 8 out of 10 over 25’s are overweight.

Obesity Related Diseases

* 80% of type II diabetes related to obesity
* 70% of Cardiovascular disease related to obesity
* 42% breast and colon cancer diagnosed among obese individuals
* 30% of gall bladder surgery related to obesity
* 26% of obese people having high blood pressure

This also ties into mike92104’s idea. 8 out of 10 people over 25 wouldn’t qualify because they are overweight.

[Author]

Posts