“Ditch the Doorman for the Cul-de-Sac”

[PCinSD]

[quote=Coronita]Speaking of time off. Happy Father’s Day everyone.

It’s a miracle. My kid wants to do Potato Chip this afternoon unlike most times, when it’s usually the other way around.[/quote]
I’m now craving potato salad. Off to flirt with death.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=svelte]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Did anyone on here argue against free markets dictating what gets built? Don’t think I heard anyone say that.[/quote]

No anyone here… but in general, the suburban and country folks like to complain about the cities and oppose densification of neighborhoods.
City folks tend to not be interested in anything far away.

we should just like the market decide. Developers can build super dense for those who like that lifestyle, and sprawl for those who want more remote. People can move to the areas more suitable to them.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=svelte]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Did anyone on here argue against free markets dictating what gets built? Don’t think I heard anyone say that.[/quote]

No anyone here… but in general, the suburban and country folks like to complain about the cities and oppose densification of neighborhoods.
City folks tend to not be interested in anything far away.

we should just like the market decide. Developers can build super dense for those who like that lifestyle, and sprawl for those who want more remote. People can move to the areas more suitable to them.[/quote]

So you’ve created an argument that doesn’t exist. Thanks Karen.

[Coronita]

[quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=svelte]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Did anyone on here argue against free markets dictating what gets built? Don’t think I heard anyone say that.[/quote]

No anyone here… but in general, the suburban and country folks like to complain about the cities and oppose densification of neighborhoods.
City folks tend to not be interested in anything far away.

we should just like the market decide. Developers can build super dense for those who like that lifestyle, and sprawl for those who want more remote. People can move to the areas more suitable to them.[/quote]

So you’ve created an argument that doesn’t exist. Thanks Karen.[/quote]

Certainly arguments based on broad generalizations and not based on facts. Can’t fight the trend….

[PCinSD]

[quote=Coronita][quote=PCinSD][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=svelte]

[quote=FlyerInHi]
If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Did anyone on here argue against free markets dictating what gets built? Don’t think I heard anyone say that.[/quote]

No anyone here… but in general, the suburban and country folks like to complain about the cities and oppose densification of neighborhoods.
City folks tend to not be interested in anything far away.

we should just like the market decide. Developers can build super dense for those who like that lifestyle, and sprawl for those who want more remote. People can move to the areas more suitable to them.[/quote]

So you’ve created an argument that doesn’t exist. Thanks Karen.[/quote]

Certainly arguments based on broad generalizations and not based on facts. Can’t fight the trend….[/quote]

I can give it the old college try. Appreciate the support.

[Coronita]

My sibling lives in SF, in the Nob Hill area. 2500 sqft 2 tandem parking spots. $2.5million a few years ago. It gets better. Two kids, SF public schools stink…. So add $20k/year per kid for private school from K to 12.

Fortunately for them, their AGI can allow them to afford to live there. But, they won’t have much savings left at their current burn rate.

[FlyerInHi]

Corona, weren’t you one to campaign against development in your area?

[FlyerInHi]

There are more investment opportunities in the city because of the diversity ofreal estate. I say the people leaving the city the same thIng to those leaving. California: “Goodbye, you may not be able to come back, even if you wanted to.”

[Coronita]

Generalizations usually come from ill-informed people with a hidden agenda.

Most people were not against any sort of revitalization efforts done well, for instance Mira Mesa revitalization was done well. Carlsbad did an excellent job of city planning. Those that opposed One Paseo, on the other hand, did so because there was very little planning to deal with the significant increase in traffic and footprint.

Anyone who is reasonable competently informed would know the difference. But no matter. One Paseo as a high density housing in suburbia turned out to be one big flop and now Kilroy gets take a financial bath in it with both it’s retail center being a complete disaster during Covid, and it’s high density units also seeing large vacancies because people could spend less money and get something with more space just a few blocks around the corner. Wrong again.

[gzz]

“I like to visit San Francisco, but I would never want to live there.”

Ever visit the St Francis Wood/Sherwood Forest neighborhood? Within city limits and fairly accessible, but also very suburban. One of the nicest neighborhoods I’ve ever been in. It is expensive of course, but not as much as I expected.

[FlyerInHi]

You don’t need central planning, 5-year plans, or 30-year plans, when you have the invisible hand and if you allow the markets to react quickly to supply and demand.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]You don’t need central planning, 5-year plans, or 30-year plans, when you have the invisible hand and if you allow the markets to react quickly to supply and demand.[/quote]
Simmer down, Karen.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=gzz]”I like to visit San Francisco, but I would never want to live there.”

Ever visit the St Francis Wood/Sherwood Forest neighborhood? Within city limits and fairly accessible, but also very suburban. One of the nicest neighborhoods I’ve ever been in. It is expensive of course, but not as much as I expected.[/quote]

There are lots of suburban type neighborhoods within American city limits. A great opportunity for development as population increases. If only we got rid of 30-years plans that were developed by bureaucrats for a different era.

[svelte]

Lower Manhattan emptying out

https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2020/06/22/partially-reopen-new-york-city-bears-little-resemblance-to-its-former-self-1294113

“You have literally three to four moving trucks a day I’m seeing in this neighborhood, people moving out,” he said. “What scares me is that even if office [business] does come back, they’re realizing now they don’t need so much space.”

[svelte]

[quote=gzz]”I like to visit San Francisco, but I would never want to live there.”

Ever visit the St Francis Wood/Sherwood Forest neighborhood? Within city limits and fairly accessible, but also very suburban. One of the nicest neighborhoods I’ve ever been in. It is expensive of course, but not as much as I expected.[/quote]

I have driven through it once or twice and it certainly looks intriguing.

Looking through there on Zillow right now, its 2.5M to 3.5M to live there. Which is expensive but compared to the rest of SF does appear to be less than I would have expected.

It looks quite live-able, except for a car guy like me who likes a huge garage. I know I’m unusual.

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