“Ditch the Doorman for the Cul-de-Sac”

[svelte]

[quote=spdrun]OF COURSE 23% of people will say “I’m moving out” when their city is locked down and everything is closed. Let’s see what the survey results are after lockdowns are eased for a few months. A time of utter panic and chaos is recipe for bad data.
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Totally agree that’s why I said let’s wait 12 months and see what the stats say then.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=The-Shoveler]Older private residence (parents) in inner circle.

Was in a nice place, just a PITA to get around and carry stuff for a suburban car culture Boy like me.

I guess just not a city person.[/quote]

Shanghai is awesome. You’re oblivious to what you’re missing.

My first time in shanghai around 2002, I stayed at a friend’s what was working there. .He had and old condo from like the 1960s he bought for not much and remodeled — no elevators. Easy taxi ride and walking everywhere. At that time I was so stupid thinking that China had too many problems. Well, look at them now!

That friend now owns at least a dozen condos in Shanghai and Hong Kong. Undeterred by negative press, he has bought and flipped condos in many developments.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=svelte][quote=spdrun]OF COURSE 23% of people will say “I’m moving out” when their city is locked down and everything is closed. Let’s see what the survey results are after lockdowns are eased for a few months. A time of utter panic and chaos is recipe for bad data.
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Totally agree that’s why I said let’s wait 12 months and see what the stats say then.[/quote]

The USA is the only country in the world that has experienced urban flight. In other countries, the urban core has always been the most sought after.
American parents used to tell their kids never to buy apartments because “you only own the air”. But I think it’s changing slowly. I don’t see GE moving headquarters back to the suburbs.

As I get older, I am very reluctant to drive. I have no choice so I hate it.
15 miles is 25km for God’s sake! In most countries that considered super far. Imagine 25km outside of London or Tokyo.

[The-Shoveler]

This was a trend that was started “before” the pandemic.
City is fine when young and single, not so much if you don’t fit that criteria.

“never to buy apartments because “you only own the air””

Still good advice in most cases IMO.

IMO good talent will demand the ability to WFH going forward and that will accelerate this trend.

[svelte]

[quote=The-Shoveler]This was a trend that was started “before” the pandemic.
City is fine when young and single, not so much if you don’t fit that criteria.
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This is also true!

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/04/why-is-everyone-leaving-the-city/521844/

But large cities were making up for most of that out-migration through the in-migration of immigrants.

Given the current atmosphere, that is not as true as it was a couple of years ago.

What’s not clear to me whether the 23% leaving the city number can be maintained after a vaccine is developed.

[The-Shoveler]

Suburbanization of Shanghai and China

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322603192_Population_and_housing_suburbanization_in_Shanghai

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2747/0272-3638.21.3.205?journalCode=rurb20

Last time I went there it was starting to look more and more like the suburbs of L.A. , Most of my wife’s old friends live in the burbs and drive cars (SUV’s).

Like Scaredy said If you’er rich maybe City life is good when you are older, if not so rich, probably not so much.

[svelte]

[quote=The-Shoveler] Like Scaredy said If you’er rich maybe City life is good when you are older, if not so rich, probably not so much.[/quote]

that Atlantic article I quoted above says that cities are mostly suitable for the wealthy and for poor immigrants.

The middle class is largely absent.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=svelte][quote=The-Shoveler] Like Scaredy said If you’er rich maybe City life is good when you are older, if not so rich, probably not so much.[/quote]

that Atlantic article I quoted above says that cities are mostly suitable for the wealthy and for poor immigrants.

The middle class is largely absent.[/quote]

when i was broke in nyc it sucked so bad.

[svelte]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

when i was broke in nyc it sucked so bad.[/quote]

I can imagine. Having to walk by first class restaurants, nightclubs, stores. kind of like rubbing salt in the wound.

At least when I was broke I lived in little burgs where most everyone else was broke too. It kinda felt normal.

[FlyerInHi]

Questions for those who think that suburbia is a superior lifestyle:

Do you ever go on vacation to another suburbia? Except for Disney or to visit relatives?

If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.

[PCinSD]

[quote=scaredyclassic]
when i was broke in nyc it sucked so bad.[/quote]
My Jewish American White ( hereinafter referred to as “JAW” and incorporated herein by this reference) brother! I hope you and all your brethren enjoy this fine Sabbath Day.

[PCinSD]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Questions for those who think that suburbia is a superior lifestyle:

Do you ever go on vacation to another suburbia? Except for Disney or to visit relatives?

If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Fuck off Karen.

[svelte]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Questions for those who think that suburbia is a superior lifestyle:

Do you ever go on vacation to another suburbia? Except for Disney or to visit relatives?
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I’m not sure the relevance of this question. Are you insinuating we desire to live where we go on vacation? I can tell you that isn’t true for sure. I like to visit San Francisco, but I would never want to live there.

[quote=FlyerInHi]
If suburban sprawl is what consumers demand, then why not let the free market dictate what gets built? Dense developments would not be financially viable for lack of residents.[/quote]

Did anyone on here argue against free markets dictating what gets built? Don’t think I heard anyone say that.

[Coronita]

Most people actually have real friends, real families, and real relationships take real vacations, not the fake ones that people pretend to take just to grab a few doctored photos to post on Instagram and brag how great their fake but zero substance life really is on social media. Most fun vacations, don’t scream “I need to stay in the city”. In fact most of the time, that’s quite the opposite, and the best ones are usually the ones that people don’t spend the majority of the time taking selfies. Most vacations are fun by itself by the people you are with. Something that one day hopefully more people will understand.

Come to think about it, every single time we went on a skiing trip in a friend group to Squaw, or Jackson Hole, or Whistler it was fun staying in a dumpy cabin. And you wouldn’t be looking to stay in a city of you are visiting a remote place like Grandn Canyon, Lake Powell, Antelope Canyon Valley, for instance. Or if you go up to Sacramento for water rafting, ditto. If vacation, you mean only city type scenary, well if that floats your boat, but you are missing out on a boatload of things. personally, imho all cities start looking the same with a Starbucks on every corner no matter which city you go, lol.

[Coronita]

Speaking of time off. Happy Father’s Day everyone.

It’s a miracle. My kid wants to do Potato Chip this afternoon unlike most times, when it’s usually the other way around.

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