The dire climate of CA public university admissions for freshmen

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, It’s boarding school and the Czech upbringing.

http://wapo.st/1quCBI7
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Replied to here:

http://piggington.com/reasons_i_cannot_vote_trump

[FlyerInHi]

Carli, Obama said that the peace corps will soon be going to Vietnam for the first time. Something to explore
http://www.peacecorps.gov/media/forpress/press/2653/

[treehugger]

Read the first page, then couldn’t follow the whole train…we are currently looking at college options for our HS junior and wondering if I am being naïve or what else we should look for or consider as we move forward?

My top pick is CSU San Marcos, as of 2014 they have an Environmental Studies Program and she can live at home.

I am also trying to encourage her to enroll at Palomar and/or Mira Costa this week to take an easy GE class or 2 over the summer.

From what I am seeing with her grades and SAT scores (CSU San Marcos does not require the writing portion to be considered), she has a solid chance of getting in.

http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg01_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=
1308

http://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Cal-State-San-Marcos-admission-req
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[carli]

Interesting piece in today’s NYT about the concept of passion and finding the right career fit by Angela Duckworth, the person who wrote that book about grit that we were discussing on this thread awhile ago.

She says some of what I was trying to express earlier, especially aimed at those young people who’ve made it through college without defining a singular career passion. I agree they should not panic. Sure, they have to find a job and pay the bills, but as she writes, “interests are developed, not discovered” and tells young graduates to “Consider your first job as an opportunity to begin an unpredictable, inefficient, trial-and-error process.”

I like this advice for young adults, especially because they often get bombarded with the idea that they “must” have a passion right out of college (and preferably before) or they’re doomed to be less-than-successful: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/05/jobs/graduating-and-looking-for-your-passion-just-be-patient.html

[joec]

[quote=carli]Interesting piece in today’s NYT about the concept of passion and finding the right career fit by Angela Duckworth, the person who wrote that book about grit that we were discussing on this thread awhile ago.

She says some of what I was trying to express earlier, especially aimed at those young people who’ve made it through college without defining a singular career passion. I agree they should not panic. Sure, they have to find a job and pay the bills, but as she writes, “interests are developed, not discovered” and tells young graduates to “Consider your first job as an opportunity to begin an unpredictable, inefficient, trial-and-error process.”

I like this advice for young adults, especially because they often get bombarded with the idea that they “must” have a passion right out of college (and preferably before) or they’re doomed to be less-than-successful: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/05/jobs/graduating-and-looking-for-your-passion-just-be-patient.html%5B/quote%5D

This is nice in concept, but in reality, does this really work?

It may make more sense to at least cover the basics and get a degree where your chance for employment is exceedingly high, then pursue passions after you have something paying the bills and can make your self sufficient…

Unlike Brad Pitt, I doubt many actors make it after waiting tables or doing menial jobs, especially in this competitive global workforce/economy.

You’re better off being Masi Oka or that other Asian actor from Community who was a licensed MD and pursue acting or any other work after you can get stable “decent” pay in another career you can choose to leave IMO.

I’m sure if they talked to a lot of undeclared -> weak major grads who are having trouble finding work, their thinking and knowledge now would make them change what they studied.

Even though we will probably all change our career paths/job (I’ve changed myself), I think getting at least stable pay early on will buy you time to live/survive/travel, etc…or possibly start a new career as well.

Unless you have wealthy parents who can cover for you to let you find that long term thing.

[carli]

[quote=joec][quote=carli]Interesting piece in today’s NYT about the concept of passion and finding the right career fit by Angela Duckworth, the person who wrote that book about grit that we were discussing on this thread awhile ago.

She says some of what I was trying to express earlier, especially aimed at those young people who’ve made it through college without defining a singular career passion. I agree they should not panic. Sure, they have to find a job and pay the bills, but as she writes, “interests are developed, not discovered” and tells young graduates to “Consider your first job as an opportunity to begin an unpredictable, inefficient, trial-and-error process.”

I like this advice for young adults, especially because they often get bombarded with the idea that they “must” have a passion right out of college (and preferably before) or they’re doomed to be less-than-successful: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/05/jobs/graduating-and-looking-for-your-passion-just-be-patient.html%5B/quote%5D

This is nice in concept, but in reality, does this really work?

It may make more sense to at least cover the basics and get a degree where your chance for employment is exceedingly high, then pursue passions after you have something paying the bills and can make your self sufficient…

Unlike Brad Pitt, I doubt many actors make it after waiting tables or doing menial jobs, especially in this competitive global workforce/economy.

You’re better off being Masi Oka or that other Asian actor from Community who was a licensed MD and pursue acting or any other work after you can get stable “decent” pay in another career you can choose to leave IMO.

I’m sure if they talked to a lot of undeclared -> weak major grads who are having trouble finding work, their thinking and knowledge now would make them change what they studied.

Even though we will probably all change our career paths/job (I’ve changed myself), I think getting at least stable pay early on will buy you time to live/survive/travel, etc…or possibly start a new career as well.

Unless you have wealthy parents who can cover for you to let you find that long term thing.[/quote]

The point of the piece was not to encourage young people to ignore future income potential. It was to encourage them to move in the direction of their interests (not the same as chucking all rational thinking). The other point was to seek purpose and try different things when you’re young, and then the final bit of advice was to finish strong.

What I took away from this was that youth is the time to experiment and not get freaked out if you don’t have the perfect career path (i.e. your “passion”) figured out at graduation. This doesn’t require that you be someone with a wealthy family or other financial safety net, it just means it’s better to take a tiny bit of risk at a young age in exchange for a crucial long term reward, which is your contentment/satisfaction (and more likely long-term success) in a career. As they’re doing this, of course, most young people will need to at least find jobs that will pay the bills.

This seems to me to be the rational, middle-of-the-road approach, as the other two options are either on the carefree end of the spectrum where you just wing it and follow your “passion” without regard to making a living, or, on the other conservative end of the spectrum, you play it totally safe and only focus on maximizing your income potential.

[flyer]

Based upon our experiences with our own family and friends–we’ve known young people who have taken many different paths in life.

It seems some discovered their desired path early and were able to maximize both their passion as well as their income potential right out of college–others chose a different route, but still ended up finding fulfillment and financial security–and yet others never seemed to discover a clear direction in their lives and either seemed to drift from one job to another, or eventually found themselves in careers not of their choosing, but, simply by default.

Regardless of how many theories there are out there about how one should approach living one’s life to achieve maximum long-term success, imo, it’s difficult to know how anyone’s life will play out until they actually go through the process of living it, and only in retrospect will they know if they made the right choices or not.

[EconProf]

The “high school straight to college” track assumes that teenagers can pick a major intelligently as freshmen or sophomores. This is lunacy. Better to take a year off to work, read, travel, maybe take a few courses. In other words, become an adult to discover where one’s interests are. My best students were always older and more worldly, and they were in college to learn, not go lockstep from high school to college.

[flyer]

Even though we’ve known kids who took that route, but still did not discover their path in life, that approach worked out great for our kids, EP, and they all seem to have found careers (and lives) they love.

[joec]

[quote=flyer]Even though we’ve known kids who took that route, but still did not discover their path in life, that approach worked out great for our kids, EP, and they all seem to have found careers (and lives) they love.[/quote]

My guess is this has more to do with your guidance and parenting…than just a young kid knowing/being able to just make it. Other than sports, most people don’t make it if you research successful people I don’t think.

I have met extended family with similarly wise parents compared to others and the kids are far more successful/happy with their lives since their parents gave them the guidance when they were making the critical decisions.

It’s one thing to have interests and passions, but another to have the guidance and assistance to reach them which many people lack…

[flyer]

Any parent would always hope that was the case, joec. We definitely gave them a lot of guidance based upon our own experiences as well as the experiences of their grandparents, and other role models in their lives, etc.

Everyone in both my wife’s family and my family have always been extremely passionate and very clear about the direction we wanted our lives to go (identifying and evaluating our options every step of the way) so the environment in which our kids grew up was, no doubt, a contributing factor in their success.

[joec]

That’s the thing…Every parent wants to do the best for their kids, but like everyone has noticed, I’m sure some of you look at other people’s parenting and gasp/laugh at how things are or will turn out.

I see kids hitting their parents, some parents give tons of sugar/soda to very very young kids < 5. Parents actually letting kids assume it is their choice to do some things in life (kid's should not assume something is a right or their choice...) I see all these cases as problems down the road and even though the parents are trying and doing their "best", sad thing is you already see problems for them down the line. Even in our own family growing up, we see things that our parents did (me and spouse) that wasn't really in our interest or actually good towards long term success and this is why I think having a parent who actually KNOWS what is best helps tons. flyer, good for you things worked out so well...I have generally admired your success in life and with your kids. Good work...and good parenting from your own parents as well.

[flyer]

Joec, we are living in very challenging times where there are no easy answers, but I think most parents actually try to do what they think is best for their kids to the best of their abilities.

Like everyone, we had challenges with our kids, but our coping skills (ours and theirs) triumphed, and they have gone on to achieve their goals.

There are no guarantees in life, and even when you dot every i and cross every t when it comes to your kids, life can throw you curve balls that you never saw coming, and, imo, it’s how you and your kids handle those situations that makes all of the difference in the outcome of your children’s lives.

I have no doubt that you will be able to do the same when it comes to your growing family, and I wish you the best.

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