Corona Virus vs. The Bill of Rights

[outtamojo]

Trump’s army

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/demonstrators-gather-in-huntington-beach-to-protest-states-stay-at-home-order-and-defying-social-distancing-rules/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

All youse better fill out your “do not resuscitate” papers to make things easier on all of us.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]From the other thread:

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=outtamojo]Sounds like there will be civil unrest soon.[/quote]

Yeah. The protests are starting already.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/us/protests-coronavirus-stay-home-orders/index.html%5B/quote%5D

This is the conflict I was expecting.

The right to peaceably assemble and protest government action in a location where gatherings of a certain size have been forbidden.[/quote]

Although, some of these seem like Trump-related childishness, not an honest protest where someone is really bothered or put out by the orders.

[outtamojo]

Modern day Rosa Parks are you effen kidding me?

[outtamojo]

Damned fomentors
https://news.yahoo.com/us-lockdown-facebook-groups-opposing-092805078.html

[FlyerInHi]

Maybe reopen and let the chips fall where they may. Let the free markets decide.
That’s this the mayor of Las Vegas says. Full interview:

[The-Shoveler]

I don’t know she kind of has a point, I guess we will see what happens in Georgia

Shut downs (and the poverty they cause) likely to kill more world wide than the virus would.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/04/106…

Could have achieved close to same result with a lot less drastic measures IMO.

Some of Europe, New Zealand already starting to re-open.

I hope I am wrong, but I fear it will be a whole lot harder to re-start the economy than it was to stop it.

[outtamojo]

Oh yeah its gonna be a larger problem than the real estate crash imo. I maintain suspicion and superstition led by internet pictures of body bags piled up would have cut down commerce almost as much as a formal governor-led shutdown.

[FlyerInHi]

I am beginning to agree with you shoveler. But that’s because our government has been grossly incompetent.
However, given what we know now, there would have been many more deaths. How many deaths are tolerable to the public?

South Korea didn’t do a lockdown and they did a lot better.

If we reopen now, the sacrifices of the last month might be in vain. Governments cannot afford a resurgence of infections and deaths so they will extend the lockdown.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi] given what we know now, there would have been many more deaths. How many deaths are tolerable to the public?
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I think it would not have been much worse IMO, had we just isolated the vulnerable.

Time will tell but I think a much much larger percentage of the population has Anti-bodies than we think.

I find it really hard to believe that this spread around the world in a month and only infected less than 2% of the population.

[FlyerInHi]

Assuming you’re right, shoveler., now that we are on lockdown, when we reopen the economy, what type of resurgence would the public accept?

Because we have already taken drastic measures, new deaths will be seen as failures by the public. It’s our fault for not having a plan for contact tracing and testing, or the ability ramp up in time. People are really scared now and unless they can get tested, and see their friends and family tested, they would not feel safe.

Example, would you have your cleaning lady or babysitter come to your house? You don’t even know if she has health insurance. The vulnerabilities of our system are becoming all apparent in a pandemic.

[The-Shoveler]

Maybe, But I think the hardest part will be getting people used to the Idea of going back to work LOL.

It is really hard to find people willing to work for less than maybe $25 or $30 dollars an hour right now.

This is the main reason I think it will be very hard to start the economy again, maybe inflation will finally become a problem again.

[FlyerInHi]

Sweden has taken a light approach.
But even so, can we backtrack after the lockdown?

Cato institute interview.

[The-Shoveler]

IMO Sweden has it right.

Coronavirus: are we underestimating how many people have had it? Sweden thinks so

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-underestimating-many-people-had-161846347.html

[The-Shoveler]

Not sure how much longer they can suppress this sentiment

Elon Musk’s F-bomb rant against lockdowns reflects ‘growing sentiment,’ says Dr. Scott Gottlieb

[The-Shoveler]

It is “NOT” a binary thing,

We could have achieved much the same result with much less drastic measures.

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