Bhutto assassination: CIA plot?

[NotCranky]

Allan,

I have theory that Israel was created just much as a western show of dominance in the oil rich, middle east and to have an unfaltering, allied, standing army there as well, which was also perfect divide and conquer strategy.

I never understood the part about Israel shooting at English ships just shortly after the country was formed.
Can you help?

[anxvariety]

I don’t think she’s dead.. it looks like she ducks down. Some group probably said you’re going to be killed now or at some point, we’ll setup a fake assassination if you want to call it quits now and live in anonymity. The husband wasn’t mourning and didn’t want an exhumation, because there’s no body.

[anxvariety]

I don’t think she’s dead.. it looks like she ducks down. Some group probably said you’re going to be killed now or at some point, we’ll setup a fake assassination if you want to call it quits now and live in anonymity. The husband wasn’t mourning and didn’t want an exhumation, because there’s no body.

[anxvariety]

I don’t think she’s dead.. it looks like she ducks down. Some group probably said you’re going to be killed now or at some point, we’ll setup a fake assassination if you want to call it quits now and live in anonymity. The husband wasn’t mourning and didn’t want an exhumation, because there’s no body.

[anxvariety]

I don’t think she’s dead.. it looks like she ducks down. Some group probably said you’re going to be killed now or at some point, we’ll setup a fake assassination if you want to call it quits now and live in anonymity. The husband wasn’t mourning and didn’t want an exhumation, because there’s no body.

[anxvariety]

I don’t think she’s dead.. it looks like she ducks down. Some group probably said you’re going to be killed now or at some point, we’ll setup a fake assassination if you want to call it quits now and live in anonymity. The husband wasn’t mourning and didn’t want an exhumation, because there’s no body.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Israel was shooting at everybody at that point (1947). Most people don’t realize it, but the Israelis had their own terrorist organizations during that period; groups like Haganah (“The Revionists”), Irgun (militant offshoot of Haganah) and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was a member, and is considered to be the brains behind the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed a large number of British soldiers and diplomats.

The Stern Gang’s central tenet was the expulsion of the British authorities (the Palestine Government), in order to make way for the formation of a Jewish state. They were responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, as well as countless attacks on Arabs in the occupied territories.

The Israelis have a tendency to gloss over this part of their history (for obvious reasons).

My personal feeling is that the British felt some measure of guilt over what happened to European Jews during the Holocaust and, in concert with the other Western powers (including the US) implemented the Balfour Doctrine, and then got the hell out of there.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Israel was shooting at everybody at that point (1947). Most people don’t realize it, but the Israelis had their own terrorist organizations during that period; groups like Haganah (“The Revionists”), Irgun (militant offshoot of Haganah) and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was a member, and is considered to be the brains behind the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed a large number of British soldiers and diplomats.

The Stern Gang’s central tenet was the expulsion of the British authorities (the Palestine Government), in order to make way for the formation of a Jewish state. They were responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, as well as countless attacks on Arabs in the occupied territories.

The Israelis have a tendency to gloss over this part of their history (for obvious reasons).

My personal feeling is that the British felt some measure of guilt over what happened to European Jews during the Holocaust and, in concert with the other Western powers (including the US) implemented the Balfour Doctrine, and then got the hell out of there.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Israel was shooting at everybody at that point (1947). Most people don’t realize it, but the Israelis had their own terrorist organizations during that period; groups like Haganah (“The Revionists”), Irgun (militant offshoot of Haganah) and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was a member, and is considered to be the brains behind the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed a large number of British soldiers and diplomats.

The Stern Gang’s central tenet was the expulsion of the British authorities (the Palestine Government), in order to make way for the formation of a Jewish state. They were responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, as well as countless attacks on Arabs in the occupied territories.

The Israelis have a tendency to gloss over this part of their history (for obvious reasons).

My personal feeling is that the British felt some measure of guilt over what happened to European Jews during the Holocaust and, in concert with the other Western powers (including the US) implemented the Balfour Doctrine, and then got the hell out of there.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Israel was shooting at everybody at that point (1947). Most people don’t realize it, but the Israelis had their own terrorist organizations during that period; groups like Haganah (“The Revionists”), Irgun (militant offshoot of Haganah) and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was a member, and is considered to be the brains behind the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed a large number of British soldiers and diplomats.

The Stern Gang’s central tenet was the expulsion of the British authorities (the Palestine Government), in order to make way for the formation of a Jewish state. They were responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, as well as countless attacks on Arabs in the occupied territories.

The Israelis have a tendency to gloss over this part of their history (for obvious reasons).

My personal feeling is that the British felt some measure of guilt over what happened to European Jews during the Holocaust and, in concert with the other Western powers (including the US) implemented the Balfour Doctrine, and then got the hell out of there.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

Rus: Israel was shooting at everybody at that point (1947). Most people don’t realize it, but the Israelis had their own terrorist organizations during that period; groups like Haganah (“The Revionists”), Irgun (militant offshoot of Haganah) and the Stern Gang. Menachem Begin was a member, and is considered to be the brains behind the bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed a large number of British soldiers and diplomats.

The Stern Gang’s central tenet was the expulsion of the British authorities (the Palestine Government), in order to make way for the formation of a Jewish state. They were responsible for the assassination of Lord Moyne, as well as countless attacks on Arabs in the occupied territories.

The Israelis have a tendency to gloss over this part of their history (for obvious reasons).

My personal feeling is that the British felt some measure of guilt over what happened to European Jews during the Holocaust and, in concert with the other Western powers (including the US) implemented the Balfour Doctrine, and then got the hell out of there.

[nostradamus]

It’s funny, I have only had guns pointed at me in two places: once in Guatemala I was mugged at gunpoint by police (stay out of Zone 1 in Guatemala City). The second time was in Israel. An Israeli Defense Forces guy with no badge or identifying uniform accosted me at the airport in Tel Aviv and stuck a gun in my face. Some Israelis say “you must have been doing something wrong” but I can assure that I wasn’t. On another occasion, in Jerusalem, an IDF guy with an Uzi (which BTW was invented by Israelis who IMO make the most effective weapons) made very threatening gestures. I don’t think I was ever so scared of other people in my life as when I was accosted by these armed and seemingly madly militant, control-freak Israelis. On the same trip I went to Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon, and felt comfortable, safe, and even welcomed by the locals (Muslims, Arabs, Christians) who all knew I was American.

Before I went there I had a tendency to favor the Israelis, seeing them as victims of terror in this ongoing fat’wa. Now I’m wondering how much of it is perpetuated by Israeli abuse of innocent people (like me).

Edit: BTW people in Israel are armed like you wouldn’t believe. Grenade launchers, Desert Eagles, P90s, and so on. I couldn’t go to a cafe, a mall, a wedding, or anywhere without seeing dozens of people openly packing major heat. I’m not for or against gun laws, but their gear doesn’t seem to diminish the violence all that much.

[nostradamus]

It’s funny, I have only had guns pointed at me in two places: once in Guatemala I was mugged at gunpoint by police (stay out of Zone 1 in Guatemala City). The second time was in Israel. An Israeli Defense Forces guy with no badge or identifying uniform accosted me at the airport in Tel Aviv and stuck a gun in my face. Some Israelis say “you must have been doing something wrong” but I can assure that I wasn’t. On another occasion, in Jerusalem, an IDF guy with an Uzi (which BTW was invented by Israelis who IMO make the most effective weapons) made very threatening gestures. I don’t think I was ever so scared of other people in my life as when I was accosted by these armed and seemingly madly militant, control-freak Israelis. On the same trip I went to Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon, and felt comfortable, safe, and even welcomed by the locals (Muslims, Arabs, Christians) who all knew I was American.

Before I went there I had a tendency to favor the Israelis, seeing them as victims of terror in this ongoing fat’wa. Now I’m wondering how much of it is perpetuated by Israeli abuse of innocent people (like me).

Edit: BTW people in Israel are armed like you wouldn’t believe. Grenade launchers, Desert Eagles, P90s, and so on. I couldn’t go to a cafe, a mall, a wedding, or anywhere without seeing dozens of people openly packing major heat. I’m not for or against gun laws, but their gear doesn’t seem to diminish the violence all that much.

[nostradamus]

It’s funny, I have only had guns pointed at me in two places: once in Guatemala I was mugged at gunpoint by police (stay out of Zone 1 in Guatemala City). The second time was in Israel. An Israeli Defense Forces guy with no badge or identifying uniform accosted me at the airport in Tel Aviv and stuck a gun in my face. Some Israelis say “you must have been doing something wrong” but I can assure that I wasn’t. On another occasion, in Jerusalem, an IDF guy with an Uzi (which BTW was invented by Israelis who IMO make the most effective weapons) made very threatening gestures. I don’t think I was ever so scared of other people in my life as when I was accosted by these armed and seemingly madly militant, control-freak Israelis. On the same trip I went to Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon, and felt comfortable, safe, and even welcomed by the locals (Muslims, Arabs, Christians) who all knew I was American.

Before I went there I had a tendency to favor the Israelis, seeing them as victims of terror in this ongoing fat’wa. Now I’m wondering how much of it is perpetuated by Israeli abuse of innocent people (like me).

Edit: BTW people in Israel are armed like you wouldn’t believe. Grenade launchers, Desert Eagles, P90s, and so on. I couldn’t go to a cafe, a mall, a wedding, or anywhere without seeing dozens of people openly packing major heat. I’m not for or against gun laws, but their gear doesn’t seem to diminish the violence all that much.

[nostradamus]

It’s funny, I have only had guns pointed at me in two places: once in Guatemala I was mugged at gunpoint by police (stay out of Zone 1 in Guatemala City). The second time was in Israel. An Israeli Defense Forces guy with no badge or identifying uniform accosted me at the airport in Tel Aviv and stuck a gun in my face. Some Israelis say “you must have been doing something wrong” but I can assure that I wasn’t. On another occasion, in Jerusalem, an IDF guy with an Uzi (which BTW was invented by Israelis who IMO make the most effective weapons) made very threatening gestures. I don’t think I was ever so scared of other people in my life as when I was accosted by these armed and seemingly madly militant, control-freak Israelis. On the same trip I went to Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon, and felt comfortable, safe, and even welcomed by the locals (Muslims, Arabs, Christians) who all knew I was American.

Before I went there I had a tendency to favor the Israelis, seeing them as victims of terror in this ongoing fat’wa. Now I’m wondering how much of it is perpetuated by Israeli abuse of innocent people (like me).

Edit: BTW people in Israel are armed like you wouldn’t believe. Grenade launchers, Desert Eagles, P90s, and so on. I couldn’t go to a cafe, a mall, a wedding, or anywhere without seeing dozens of people openly packing major heat. I’m not for or against gun laws, but their gear doesn’t seem to diminish the violence all that much.

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