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September 21, 2010 at 1:06 PM #608472September 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM #607482
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Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
September 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM #607569Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
September 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM #608121Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
September 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM #608230Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
September 21, 2010 at 3:54 PM #608547Participant[quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT!
September 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM #607522an
Participant[quote=justme][quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT![/quote]
In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.September 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM #607608Participant[quote=justme][quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT![/quote]
In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.September 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM #608161Participant[quote=justme][quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT![/quote]
In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.September 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM #608270Participant[quote=justme][quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT![/quote]
In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.September 21, 2010 at 5:15 PM #608587Participant[quote=justme][quote=GH]My sisters Volvo gets 45 mpg in UK. (2.0 Liter Station Wagon)
Ok an English gallon is a bit bigger than ours, so perhaps 38 Mpg
Anyway, bottom line the Europeans have had this technology for some time.
Psst… Diesel[/quote]
EXACTLY. We can get to 50mpg WHOLE FLEET average (not just new car average) in 2020 (not 2025) if everyone just follows these simple rules.
1. buy an efficient hybrid (Prius and maybe Civic are just about the only really good ones so far, do NOT buy a “performance” hybrid like Lexus or an SUV or some other trash where they have perverted energy efficiency into added “performance”. Ford Fusion hybrid is decent but too big and heavy.
2. OR buy an efficient clean diesel, for example VW Jetta TDI 2010 or 2011 fits the bill.
3. Drive the car NICELY. No hard acceleration. Coast towards red lights. If you are hitting red lights at 40mph and have to break hard each time you are driving very wrong. The TDI will get you 50mpg if you do drive right, Prius even more.
4. as better technology becomes available in the US, buy it. For example, the equivalent of a VW Golf TDI Twindrive diesel hybrid or a Peugot 3008 Hybrid4 Diesel will get 65-70 mpg and are practical cars. I dunno about Chevy Volt. Maybe. Forget about idiotic waste of money like the Tesla Roadster.
JUST DO IT![/quote]
In another word, buy an appliance to get you from point A to point B.September 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM #607532BigGovernmentIsGood
Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]
Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?
And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.
XBoxBoy[/quote]
I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.
I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:
September 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM #607618Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]
Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?
And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.
XBoxBoy[/quote]
I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.
I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:
September 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM #608171Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]
Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?
And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.
XBoxBoy[/quote]
I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.
I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:
September 21, 2010 at 5:55 PM #608280Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]
Well, go back and look at the article you linked to. Clearly the stance of the environmentalists in that article is pro-regulation, silent on gas tax. Why is that? Why did you start this thread by saying this is a fantastic idea, yet you didn’t say anything about a gas tax?
And what about my question? What is the advantage of regulation over gas tax? If you can’t answer that, then why are you and so many others shouting for regulation, but keeping quiet on a gas tax? Please answer the question.
XBoxBoy[/quote]
I’m in favor of both regulation and a gas tax. Personally, I don’t use that much gas. Gas prices could quadruple and I would barely notice. I think we need regulation to encourage manufacturers to build more fuel-efficient vehicles and a gas tax to entice consumes to buy more fuel-efficient vehicles.
I couldn’t find an official stance from the Sierra Club (one of the environmental groups listed in the article), but this article indicates that the Sierra Club has supported gas taxes in the past:
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