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May 1, 2009 at 3:49 PM #392010May 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM #391350temeculaguyParticipant
Rt.66, If I give you a little history lesson, you will whine and complain that the ministry of misinformation is spinning again.
So before I explain that this has happened before, will happen again and has been profitable in the past, let’s agree on the fact that we are in an R/E meltdown, we did just have an epic bubble and we are experiencing the worst nominal price drops and foreclosures of our lifetimes. These are things we all agree on, we disagree on where we are going to end up, what 2010, 2011 and 2015 will look like. Without furhter ado:
In the early mid 1990’s, in Temecula, a number of tracts that had yet to open, shut down. In about 1995 they demolished the models to a tract on the north side of town, off nicholas road on the north side of N.General Kearney. Foundations for the first few phases were poured, all utilswere in and the models were framed and roofed but not quite done yet. After they mowed them down (unknown if “they” was the builder or the bank) they sat for a few years. In 1997/1998 they built bigger models and began selling them. The market had changed a little, the houses were larger than the old models had been but they were priced higher and as things turned around, each year they sold them for more and then opened a few other tracts and so on. But during the down cycle, whoever owned that land chose to not build and not to finish or maintain a dozen houses. When they shut down, houses were going for 120-140k, they started selling them in 1998 for about that same price and by the time they finished in 2003, they were getting 330k. So in hindsight, they made the right call, scrap the project, wait a few years and then build when demand returns, they recouped the loss of the models, the taxes and the interest by selling a few hundred houses for double or triple what they were selling for just a few years earlier. That is what investors try to do, they try to time things, in that case they were right. On the opposite side of the street, there were two tracts and they were more than half done when the downturn hit, so they just finished their tracts, made less or no money and stopped building new tract, they chose to finish up because they were mostly done but if they had started, they likely would have quit.
Temeku hills also fenced in a beautiful golf course and built nothing for a few years, I used to think they were crazy, but in hindsight it made them more money to wait. It also may have changed hands wile it was fenced in, we didn;t have the internet and I didn’t follow things that closely then.
It’s not the apocolypse, it’s business, it’s part of the cycle.
May 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM #391613temeculaguyParticipantRt.66, If I give you a little history lesson, you will whine and complain that the ministry of misinformation is spinning again.
So before I explain that this has happened before, will happen again and has been profitable in the past, let’s agree on the fact that we are in an R/E meltdown, we did just have an epic bubble and we are experiencing the worst nominal price drops and foreclosures of our lifetimes. These are things we all agree on, we disagree on where we are going to end up, what 2010, 2011 and 2015 will look like. Without furhter ado:
In the early mid 1990’s, in Temecula, a number of tracts that had yet to open, shut down. In about 1995 they demolished the models to a tract on the north side of town, off nicholas road on the north side of N.General Kearney. Foundations for the first few phases were poured, all utilswere in and the models were framed and roofed but not quite done yet. After they mowed them down (unknown if “they” was the builder or the bank) they sat for a few years. In 1997/1998 they built bigger models and began selling them. The market had changed a little, the houses were larger than the old models had been but they were priced higher and as things turned around, each year they sold them for more and then opened a few other tracts and so on. But during the down cycle, whoever owned that land chose to not build and not to finish or maintain a dozen houses. When they shut down, houses were going for 120-140k, they started selling them in 1998 for about that same price and by the time they finished in 2003, they were getting 330k. So in hindsight, they made the right call, scrap the project, wait a few years and then build when demand returns, they recouped the loss of the models, the taxes and the interest by selling a few hundred houses for double or triple what they were selling for just a few years earlier. That is what investors try to do, they try to time things, in that case they were right. On the opposite side of the street, there were two tracts and they were more than half done when the downturn hit, so they just finished their tracts, made less or no money and stopped building new tract, they chose to finish up because they were mostly done but if they had started, they likely would have quit.
Temeku hills also fenced in a beautiful golf course and built nothing for a few years, I used to think they were crazy, but in hindsight it made them more money to wait. It also may have changed hands wile it was fenced in, we didn;t have the internet and I didn’t follow things that closely then.
It’s not the apocolypse, it’s business, it’s part of the cycle.
May 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM #391823temeculaguyParticipantRt.66, If I give you a little history lesson, you will whine and complain that the ministry of misinformation is spinning again.
So before I explain that this has happened before, will happen again and has been profitable in the past, let’s agree on the fact that we are in an R/E meltdown, we did just have an epic bubble and we are experiencing the worst nominal price drops and foreclosures of our lifetimes. These are things we all agree on, we disagree on where we are going to end up, what 2010, 2011 and 2015 will look like. Without furhter ado:
In the early mid 1990’s, in Temecula, a number of tracts that had yet to open, shut down. In about 1995 they demolished the models to a tract on the north side of town, off nicholas road on the north side of N.General Kearney. Foundations for the first few phases were poured, all utilswere in and the models were framed and roofed but not quite done yet. After they mowed them down (unknown if “they” was the builder or the bank) they sat for a few years. In 1997/1998 they built bigger models and began selling them. The market had changed a little, the houses were larger than the old models had been but they were priced higher and as things turned around, each year they sold them for more and then opened a few other tracts and so on. But during the down cycle, whoever owned that land chose to not build and not to finish or maintain a dozen houses. When they shut down, houses were going for 120-140k, they started selling them in 1998 for about that same price and by the time they finished in 2003, they were getting 330k. So in hindsight, they made the right call, scrap the project, wait a few years and then build when demand returns, they recouped the loss of the models, the taxes and the interest by selling a few hundred houses for double or triple what they were selling for just a few years earlier. That is what investors try to do, they try to time things, in that case they were right. On the opposite side of the street, there were two tracts and they were more than half done when the downturn hit, so they just finished their tracts, made less or no money and stopped building new tract, they chose to finish up because they were mostly done but if they had started, they likely would have quit.
Temeku hills also fenced in a beautiful golf course and built nothing for a few years, I used to think they were crazy, but in hindsight it made them more money to wait. It also may have changed hands wile it was fenced in, we didn;t have the internet and I didn’t follow things that closely then.
It’s not the apocolypse, it’s business, it’s part of the cycle.
May 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM #391875temeculaguyParticipantRt.66, If I give you a little history lesson, you will whine and complain that the ministry of misinformation is spinning again.
So before I explain that this has happened before, will happen again and has been profitable in the past, let’s agree on the fact that we are in an R/E meltdown, we did just have an epic bubble and we are experiencing the worst nominal price drops and foreclosures of our lifetimes. These are things we all agree on, we disagree on where we are going to end up, what 2010, 2011 and 2015 will look like. Without furhter ado:
In the early mid 1990’s, in Temecula, a number of tracts that had yet to open, shut down. In about 1995 they demolished the models to a tract on the north side of town, off nicholas road on the north side of N.General Kearney. Foundations for the first few phases were poured, all utilswere in and the models were framed and roofed but not quite done yet. After they mowed them down (unknown if “they” was the builder or the bank) they sat for a few years. In 1997/1998 they built bigger models and began selling them. The market had changed a little, the houses were larger than the old models had been but they were priced higher and as things turned around, each year they sold them for more and then opened a few other tracts and so on. But during the down cycle, whoever owned that land chose to not build and not to finish or maintain a dozen houses. When they shut down, houses were going for 120-140k, they started selling them in 1998 for about that same price and by the time they finished in 2003, they were getting 330k. So in hindsight, they made the right call, scrap the project, wait a few years and then build when demand returns, they recouped the loss of the models, the taxes and the interest by selling a few hundred houses for double or triple what they were selling for just a few years earlier. That is what investors try to do, they try to time things, in that case they were right. On the opposite side of the street, there were two tracts and they were more than half done when the downturn hit, so they just finished their tracts, made less or no money and stopped building new tract, they chose to finish up because they were mostly done but if they had started, they likely would have quit.
Temeku hills also fenced in a beautiful golf course and built nothing for a few years, I used to think they were crazy, but in hindsight it made them more money to wait. It also may have changed hands wile it was fenced in, we didn;t have the internet and I didn’t follow things that closely then.
It’s not the apocolypse, it’s business, it’s part of the cycle.
May 1, 2009 at 3:52 PM #392015temeculaguyParticipantRt.66, If I give you a little history lesson, you will whine and complain that the ministry of misinformation is spinning again.
So before I explain that this has happened before, will happen again and has been profitable in the past, let’s agree on the fact that we are in an R/E meltdown, we did just have an epic bubble and we are experiencing the worst nominal price drops and foreclosures of our lifetimes. These are things we all agree on, we disagree on where we are going to end up, what 2010, 2011 and 2015 will look like. Without furhter ado:
In the early mid 1990’s, in Temecula, a number of tracts that had yet to open, shut down. In about 1995 they demolished the models to a tract on the north side of town, off nicholas road on the north side of N.General Kearney. Foundations for the first few phases were poured, all utilswere in and the models were framed and roofed but not quite done yet. After they mowed them down (unknown if “they” was the builder or the bank) they sat for a few years. In 1997/1998 they built bigger models and began selling them. The market had changed a little, the houses were larger than the old models had been but they were priced higher and as things turned around, each year they sold them for more and then opened a few other tracts and so on. But during the down cycle, whoever owned that land chose to not build and not to finish or maintain a dozen houses. When they shut down, houses were going for 120-140k, they started selling them in 1998 for about that same price and by the time they finished in 2003, they were getting 330k. So in hindsight, they made the right call, scrap the project, wait a few years and then build when demand returns, they recouped the loss of the models, the taxes and the interest by selling a few hundred houses for double or triple what they were selling for just a few years earlier. That is what investors try to do, they try to time things, in that case they were right. On the opposite side of the street, there were two tracts and they were more than half done when the downturn hit, so they just finished their tracts, made less or no money and stopped building new tract, they chose to finish up because they were mostly done but if they had started, they likely would have quit.
Temeku hills also fenced in a beautiful golf course and built nothing for a few years, I used to think they were crazy, but in hindsight it made them more money to wait. It also may have changed hands wile it was fenced in, we didn;t have the internet and I didn’t follow things that closely then.
It’s not the apocolypse, it’s business, it’s part of the cycle.
May 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM #391355temeculaguyParticipantAnother thing, why do you think there are so many non real estate passionate temculans that love their hood? Why are you here? If you think it is going to hell, then why do you spend enough time here to know the various things about the town than only a personal visit would provide. Are you considering buying here? Why?
You have to read some old threads before you call paramount a cheerleader and russell doesn’t live here and may have never been here.
Don’t threaten us with jingle mail, I’ve conversed on the boards and by e-mail with almost every one of piggy temecula recent buyers, most are very open about their financial situation, their housing needs and not one is expecting appreciation, all have fixed loans and all bought houses that they can afford. Why does that piss you off? My fixed mortage payment with impounds is one week’s pay, who the f*&k cares if the next up cycle is in 2010 or 2020, there will be no jingle mail, I’ve danced this dance before, I’ve been upside down and upside up on houses in this town, but none of it mattered until I sold and I never lost a house so that is why I’m not afraid because I’m not going anywhere so appreciation isn’t a concern, affordability is, and having extra money to invest in something other than your house is something that affordability permits you to do.
May 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM #391618temeculaguyParticipantAnother thing, why do you think there are so many non real estate passionate temculans that love their hood? Why are you here? If you think it is going to hell, then why do you spend enough time here to know the various things about the town than only a personal visit would provide. Are you considering buying here? Why?
You have to read some old threads before you call paramount a cheerleader and russell doesn’t live here and may have never been here.
Don’t threaten us with jingle mail, I’ve conversed on the boards and by e-mail with almost every one of piggy temecula recent buyers, most are very open about their financial situation, their housing needs and not one is expecting appreciation, all have fixed loans and all bought houses that they can afford. Why does that piss you off? My fixed mortage payment with impounds is one week’s pay, who the f*&k cares if the next up cycle is in 2010 or 2020, there will be no jingle mail, I’ve danced this dance before, I’ve been upside down and upside up on houses in this town, but none of it mattered until I sold and I never lost a house so that is why I’m not afraid because I’m not going anywhere so appreciation isn’t a concern, affordability is, and having extra money to invest in something other than your house is something that affordability permits you to do.
May 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM #391828temeculaguyParticipantAnother thing, why do you think there are so many non real estate passionate temculans that love their hood? Why are you here? If you think it is going to hell, then why do you spend enough time here to know the various things about the town than only a personal visit would provide. Are you considering buying here? Why?
You have to read some old threads before you call paramount a cheerleader and russell doesn’t live here and may have never been here.
Don’t threaten us with jingle mail, I’ve conversed on the boards and by e-mail with almost every one of piggy temecula recent buyers, most are very open about their financial situation, their housing needs and not one is expecting appreciation, all have fixed loans and all bought houses that they can afford. Why does that piss you off? My fixed mortage payment with impounds is one week’s pay, who the f*&k cares if the next up cycle is in 2010 or 2020, there will be no jingle mail, I’ve danced this dance before, I’ve been upside down and upside up on houses in this town, but none of it mattered until I sold and I never lost a house so that is why I’m not afraid because I’m not going anywhere so appreciation isn’t a concern, affordability is, and having extra money to invest in something other than your house is something that affordability permits you to do.
May 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM #391880temeculaguyParticipantAnother thing, why do you think there are so many non real estate passionate temculans that love their hood? Why are you here? If you think it is going to hell, then why do you spend enough time here to know the various things about the town than only a personal visit would provide. Are you considering buying here? Why?
You have to read some old threads before you call paramount a cheerleader and russell doesn’t live here and may have never been here.
Don’t threaten us with jingle mail, I’ve conversed on the boards and by e-mail with almost every one of piggy temecula recent buyers, most are very open about their financial situation, their housing needs and not one is expecting appreciation, all have fixed loans and all bought houses that they can afford. Why does that piss you off? My fixed mortage payment with impounds is one week’s pay, who the f*&k cares if the next up cycle is in 2010 or 2020, there will be no jingle mail, I’ve danced this dance before, I’ve been upside down and upside up on houses in this town, but none of it mattered until I sold and I never lost a house so that is why I’m not afraid because I’m not going anywhere so appreciation isn’t a concern, affordability is, and having extra money to invest in something other than your house is something that affordability permits you to do.
May 1, 2009 at 4:10 PM #392020temeculaguyParticipantAnother thing, why do you think there are so many non real estate passionate temculans that love their hood? Why are you here? If you think it is going to hell, then why do you spend enough time here to know the various things about the town than only a personal visit would provide. Are you considering buying here? Why?
You have to read some old threads before you call paramount a cheerleader and russell doesn’t live here and may have never been here.
Don’t threaten us with jingle mail, I’ve conversed on the boards and by e-mail with almost every one of piggy temecula recent buyers, most are very open about their financial situation, their housing needs and not one is expecting appreciation, all have fixed loans and all bought houses that they can afford. Why does that piss you off? My fixed mortage payment with impounds is one week’s pay, who the f*&k cares if the next up cycle is in 2010 or 2020, there will be no jingle mail, I’ve danced this dance before, I’ve been upside down and upside up on houses in this town, but none of it mattered until I sold and I never lost a house so that is why I’m not afraid because I’m not going anywhere so appreciation isn’t a concern, affordability is, and having extra money to invest in something other than your house is something that affordability permits you to do.
May 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM #391400desmondParticipantRCguy, I am glad you bought in R.C. but do you need to constantly tell the board about it? You guys down in the “RC” need to let it go. If your happy then great, but get off the justification and on to another topic. There have been more RC is Great vs RC Sucks topics then needed. I have not seen one post on VG’s donuts yet.
May 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM #391663desmondParticipantRCguy, I am glad you bought in R.C. but do you need to constantly tell the board about it? You guys down in the “RC” need to let it go. If your happy then great, but get off the justification and on to another topic. There have been more RC is Great vs RC Sucks topics then needed. I have not seen one post on VG’s donuts yet.
May 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM #391873desmondParticipantRCguy, I am glad you bought in R.C. but do you need to constantly tell the board about it? You guys down in the “RC” need to let it go. If your happy then great, but get off the justification and on to another topic. There have been more RC is Great vs RC Sucks topics then needed. I have not seen one post on VG’s donuts yet.
May 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM #391926desmondParticipantRCguy, I am glad you bought in R.C. but do you need to constantly tell the board about it? You guys down in the “RC” need to let it go. If your happy then great, but get off the justification and on to another topic. There have been more RC is Great vs RC Sucks topics then needed. I have not seen one post on VG’s donuts yet.
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