[yojimbo]

“raptorduck, are you trying to tell me that you’d be willing to pay a meaningful premium simply to have your mail delivered to a RSF address? To have your checks with a RSF address? To be able to tell people at a cocktail party that, yes, your mailing address is in RSF? Same schools, same neighbors, same quality of housing, same weather, etc. – and you’d be willing to pay a premium just for the ADDRESS? That just seems absolutely mental illness crazy to me.”

Isn’t this the same, albeit on a smaller monetary scale, as paying a premium for a Nike shirt or ball cap with a Reebok logo on it? Or maybe a shoe with Shaq’s logo on it? We all know where the shoes and clothing are made. They are all of essentially the same quality. It’s the brand identity or celebrity association that we a pay a premium for.

The RSF area has essentially been branded and people will pay a premium to be associated with that brand.

[yojimbo]

I have to admit that I don’t frequent the forum as much as I initially did mainly due to the religious/political sniping that is always taking place. I don’t mind if it is contained within a political or religious thread but it seems to make it’s way into too many real estate threads as well.

Is there a single thread regarding the Temecula/Murrieta housing scam where 4plexowner doesn’t arrogantly scoff at the fact that most of the Murrieta buyers involved go to church and are therefore obviously far more gullible than a normal person? There are countless other real estate related threads in which people make negative insinuations regarding Bush’s intelligence or the stupidity of Republicans etc. I’m not religious and I don’t think Bush is highly intelligent but it still annoys me when I have to read some arrogant persons religious or political opinion in a thread where it doesn’t really belong. I also have to admit that it seems to occur mostly from the left. I know that demeaning other peoples viewpoints makes them feel that there personal view is more sacrosanct but is the need to do so so ingrained into their persona that they feel they need to inject their view into every thread they “contribute” to?

If you want to talk about how you feel Christians are gullible and stupid then start a thread called “Christians are gullible and stupid” or perhaps one called “Conservatives are Morons and everyone on the Left, like Me, are highly intelligent and Enlightened”. Then I can just avoid those threads and not have to read the drivel. Otherwise, in the end, I will probably not visit the site at all.

It may be inevitable that all largely unmoderated public forums will degrade to a point where only kindergarten style bantering takes place wholly unrelated to the forum topic but I would hope it won’t happen here because I enjoy reading the clean, uncorrupted real estate related threads. I guess we’ll find out in the long run.

[yojimbo]

I have to admit that I don’t frequent the forum as much as I initially did mainly due to the religious/political sniping that is always taking place. I don’t mind if it is contained within a political or religious thread but it seems to make it’s way into too many real estate threads as well.

Is there a single thread regarding the Temecula/Murrieta housing scam where 4plexowner doesn’t arrogantly scoff at the fact that most of the Murrieta buyers involved go to church and are therefore obviously far more gullible than a normal person? There are countless other real estate related threads in which people make negative insinuations regarding Bush’s intelligence or the stupidity of Republicans etc. I’m not religious and I don’t think Bush is highly intelligent but it still annoys me when I have to read some arrogant persons religious or political opinion in a thread where it doesn’t really belong. I also have to admit that it seems to occur mostly from the left. I know that demeaning other peoples viewpoints makes them feel that there personal view is more sacrosanct but is the need to do so so ingrained into their persona that they feel they need to inject their view into every thread they “contribute” to?

If you want to talk about how you feel Christians are gullible and stupid then start a thread called “Christians are gullible and stupid” or perhaps one called “Conservatives are Morons and everyone on the Left, like Me, are highly intelligent and Enlightened”. Then I can just avoid those threads and not have to read the drivel. Otherwise, in the end, I will probably not visit the site at all.

It may be inevitable that all largely unmoderated public forums will degrade to a point where only kindergarten style bantering takes place wholly unrelated to the forum topic but I would hope it won’t happen here because I enjoy reading the clean, uncorrupted real estate related threads. I guess we’ll find out in the long run.

[yojimbo]

I have to admit that I don’t frequent the forum as much as I initially did mainly due to the religious/political sniping that is always taking place. I don’t mind if it is contained within a political or religious thread but it seems to make it’s way into too many real estate threads as well.

Is there a single thread regarding the Temecula/Murrieta housing scam where 4plexowner doesn’t arrogantly scoff at the fact that most of the Murrieta buyers involved go to church and are therefore obviously far more gullible than a normal person? There are countless other real estate related threads in which people make negative insinuations regarding Bush’s intelligence or the stupidity of Republicans etc. I’m not religious and I don’t think Bush is highly intelligent but it still annoys me when I have to read some arrogant persons religious or political opinion in a thread where it doesn’t really belong. I also have to admit that it seems to occur mostly from the left. I know that demeaning other peoples viewpoints makes them feel that there personal view is more sacrosanct but is the need to do so so ingrained into their persona that they feel they need to inject their view into every thread they “contribute” to?

If you want to talk about how you feel Christians are gullible and stupid then start a thread called “Christians are gullible and stupid” or perhaps one called “Conservatives are Morons and everyone on the Left, like Me, are highly intelligent and Enlightened”. Then I can just avoid those threads and not have to read the drivel. Otherwise, in the end, I will probably not visit the site at all.

It may be inevitable that all largely unmoderated public forums will degrade to a point where only kindergarten style bantering takes place wholly unrelated to the forum topic but I would hope it won’t happen here because I enjoy reading the clean, uncorrupted real estate related threads. I guess we’ll find out in the long run.

[yojimbo]

I have to admit that I don’t frequent the forum as much as I initially did mainly due to the religious/political sniping that is always taking place. I don’t mind if it is contained within a political or religious thread but it seems to make it’s way into too many real estate threads as well.

Is there a single thread regarding the Temecula/Murrieta housing scam where 4plexowner doesn’t arrogantly scoff at the fact that most of the Murrieta buyers involved go to church and are therefore obviously far more gullible than a normal person? There are countless other real estate related threads in which people make negative insinuations regarding Bush’s intelligence or the stupidity of Republicans etc. I’m not religious and I don’t think Bush is highly intelligent but it still annoys me when I have to read some arrogant persons religious or political opinion in a thread where it doesn’t really belong. I also have to admit that it seems to occur mostly from the left. I know that demeaning other peoples viewpoints makes them feel that there personal view is more sacrosanct but is the need to do so so ingrained into their persona that they feel they need to inject their view into every thread they “contribute” to?

If you want to talk about how you feel Christians are gullible and stupid then start a thread called “Christians are gullible and stupid” or perhaps one called “Conservatives are Morons and everyone on the Left, like Me, are highly intelligent and Enlightened”. Then I can just avoid those threads and not have to read the drivel. Otherwise, in the end, I will probably not visit the site at all.

It may be inevitable that all largely unmoderated public forums will degrade to a point where only kindergarten style bantering takes place wholly unrelated to the forum topic but I would hope it won’t happen here because I enjoy reading the clean, uncorrupted real estate related threads. I guess we’ll find out in the long run.

[yojimbo]

I have to admit that I don’t frequent the forum as much as I initially did mainly due to the religious/political sniping that is always taking place. I don’t mind if it is contained within a political or religious thread but it seems to make it’s way into too many real estate threads as well.

Is there a single thread regarding the Temecula/Murrieta housing scam where 4plexowner doesn’t arrogantly scoff at the fact that most of the Murrieta buyers involved go to church and are therefore obviously far more gullible than a normal person? There are countless other real estate related threads in which people make negative insinuations regarding Bush’s intelligence or the stupidity of Republicans etc. I’m not religious and I don’t think Bush is highly intelligent but it still annoys me when I have to read some arrogant persons religious or political opinion in a thread where it doesn’t really belong. I also have to admit that it seems to occur mostly from the left. I know that demeaning other peoples viewpoints makes them feel that there personal view is more sacrosanct but is the need to do so so ingrained into their persona that they feel they need to inject their view into every thread they “contribute” to?

If you want to talk about how you feel Christians are gullible and stupid then start a thread called “Christians are gullible and stupid” or perhaps one called “Conservatives are Morons and everyone on the Left, like Me, are highly intelligent and Enlightened”. Then I can just avoid those threads and not have to read the drivel. Otherwise, in the end, I will probably not visit the site at all.

It may be inevitable that all largely unmoderated public forums will degrade to a point where only kindergarten style bantering takes place wholly unrelated to the forum topic but I would hope it won’t happen here because I enjoy reading the clean, uncorrupted real estate related threads. I guess we’ll find out in the long run.

[yojimbo]

My favorites are the transpositions of Lose and Loose and of course Sale and Sell.

Home for Sell! Must Sale Now!!

I see that one all the time on Craigslist.

Oh, and I forgot Huge and Hugh. Pretty common as well.

Hugh sell this weekend don’t loose out!! Everything must be saled!!

LOL.

[yojimbo]

My favorites are the transpositions of Lose and Loose and of course Sale and Sell.

Home for Sell! Must Sale Now!!

I see that one all the time on Craigslist.

Oh, and I forgot Huge and Hugh. Pretty common as well.

Hugh sell this weekend don’t loose out!! Everything must be saled!!

LOL.

[yojimbo]

My favorites are the transpositions of Lose and Loose and of course Sale and Sell.

Home for Sell! Must Sale Now!!

I see that one all the time on Craigslist.

Oh, and I forgot Huge and Hugh. Pretty common as well.

Hugh sell this weekend don’t loose out!! Everything must be saled!!

LOL.

[yojimbo]

My favorites are the transpositions of Lose and Loose and of course Sale and Sell.

Home for Sell! Must Sale Now!!

I see that one all the time on Craigslist.

Oh, and I forgot Huge and Hugh. Pretty common as well.

Hugh sell this weekend don’t loose out!! Everything must be saled!!

LOL.

[yojimbo]

My favorites are the transpositions of Lose and Loose and of course Sale and Sell.

Home for Sell! Must Sale Now!!

I see that one all the time on Craigslist.

Oh, and I forgot Huge and Hugh. Pretty common as well.

Hugh sell this weekend don’t loose out!! Everything must be saled!!

LOL.

[yojimbo]

SDR: Where will he go if the bank forecloses?

Mario: "I don't know. Maybe the mission."

Mario has a job. Couldn't he just rent a place? Or, does having to live at the "Mission" sound more devastating and tug at the heartstrings a little more than the more realistic scenario of renting?

As for Inez, I don't think I can recall such a horrifying victimization! Imagine the bank forcing her into their branch office to refi, pull out cash from her home and spend it. Not only did she spend her equity gain but her original equity from the down payment as well. Of course, according to the author, that was just to pay the bills.

Inez "needed money for bills"?? What bills? The electricity bill? Water bill? Or perhaps the bill for the new Escalade? Plasma TV? Credit card financed cruise? Etc.

Typical biased journalism. Too much of it these days. I especially like this line…

"Inez FOUND that as her equity increased she could refinance her loan and get cash" (to pay bills of course).

He could just as easily have written:

"Inez CHOSE to refinance her home and pull equity out in order to engage in a lifestyle over and above what her ordinary income would allow"

Here's another I like:

"Inez was ASTOUNDED to discover that each time she read the new loan documents, World Savings was not accurately listing her income."

Astounded? Apparently not "astounded" enough that after seeing it multiple times she made them change it. Of course, then she wouldn't be able to get more cash (to pay bills of course).

 

 

[yojimbo]

Looks like they stripped it before the foreclosure to me. Not a flip.

I remember seeing one of these Symphony Terrace 1/1 condo’s selling back in the 90’s at the REDC auction for $45k.

[yojimbo]

“until the greedy baby boomers pass on”

You mean they are greedy because they have something you want but can’t afford? Their greed is standing in the way of your own greed?

“It is not my peers that make the laws”

I’m a GenX’er as well and I think you’re essentially right with this statement. Many GenX’er’s are too engulfed in their constant search for new forms of personal entertainment to really have any concern for what is happening around them politically or socially. As long as they can get out on the water on their Kayak and engage in a superficial Zen experience then they’re happy because, in their minds, that puts them at a higher level than all the rest of the less intellectual “working” class.

“Now, they hold the wealth disproportionately”

Ahh, yes, I hear it all the time from certain GenX’ers. Someone else is always holding them down and keeping them, and everyone around them, from realizing their true intellectual and creative superiority. They never consider the fact that the baby boomers may have worked for their wealth. And, there is this term that most GenX’ers haven’t heard…it’s called “Saving”.

“they hire our generation at horrible wages without increasing their salary, they raise tuition at college to absurd levels, they make loans to the population at asenine interest rate levels”

For some reason the concept of “Market Forces” is something that some GenX’ers don’t comprehend or believe is some fantasy of past, long forgotten, economists. I’ve always found it humorous that some people want to get out from under the “control” of some nebulous group by asserting control themselves over others. I don’t mind the battle for control so much as I do the whining and crying from those who are afraid to jump into the fight.

“asenine interest rate levels”

Now THAT is funny! Have you ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Carter?? Perhaps you should investigate the late 1970’s and find out what interest rates and inflation were then. The economy we have now would have been considered utopia compared to what we had then. It’s hard to see any credibility in your arguments when you make a statement like that regarding interest rates. Rates over the last five years are the lowest they have been since the early fifties. You sound more like a crying infant that wants its milk and wants it now.

“they have basically made a joke out of their 1960’s and ’70’s rhetoric”

??? I think you have things mixed up. Perhaps it is the Sixties Hippy generation that you truly dislike? GenX’ers were born mid to late sixties so really didn’t start to form their belief systems until around 1980 and later. The rhetoric of the 60’s and 70’s you are referring to belonged to the, let’s all just have fun and share everything, hippy generation.

I am sometimes embarrassed being a GenX’er. It started off cool because so many of us pushed the limits of many activities, doing things I never thought possible in the realm of sports and adventure. Many have become rich from this and are household names now. But, there is the other half of GenX’ers that picked up the hippy philosophy from their parents and seem to want to create some Orwellian society in which we move beyond equal opportunity and more toward complete equality in every aspect. They would achieve this by gaining control politically and redistributing opportunity, wealth, acclaim, and even achievement.

I normally only lurk here for the real estate related material but, having a fellow GenX’er make a general statement that so grossly mis-represents what I and many others in that group believe spurned me to comment, and, perhaps, to give others the notion that not all of us see ourselves as helpless, pathetic, miscreants under the thumbs of the conniving upper class, manipulated and cajoled like puppets until our last breath and dollar are gone. Believe it or not some of us actually work and aspire to greater things.

I believe the following two quotes are apropos…

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false. –Paul Johnson

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. — T. S. Eliot

[yojimbo]

“until the greedy baby boomers pass on”

You mean they are greedy because they have something you want but can’t afford? Their greed is standing in the way of your own greed?

“It is not my peers that make the laws”

I’m a GenX’er as well and I think you’re essentially right with this statement. Many GenX’er’s are too engulfed in their constant search for new forms of personal entertainment to really have any concern for what is happening around them politically or socially. As long as they can get out on the water on their Kayak and engage in a superficial Zen experience then they’re happy because, in their minds, that puts them at a higher level than all the rest of the less intellectual “working” class.

“Now, they hold the wealth disproportionately”

Ahh, yes, I hear it all the time from certain GenX’ers. Someone else is always holding them down and keeping them, and everyone around them, from realizing their true intellectual and creative superiority. They never consider the fact that the baby boomers may have worked for their wealth. And, there is this term that most GenX’ers haven’t heard…it’s called “Saving”.

“they hire our generation at horrible wages without increasing their salary, they raise tuition at college to absurd levels, they make loans to the population at asenine interest rate levels”

For some reason the concept of “Market Forces” is something that some GenX’ers don’t comprehend or believe is some fantasy of past, long forgotten, economists. I’ve always found it humorous that some people want to get out from under the “control” of some nebulous group by asserting control themselves over others. I don’t mind the battle for control so much as I do the whining and crying from those who are afraid to jump into the fight.

“asenine interest rate levels”

Now THAT is funny! Have you ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Carter?? Perhaps you should investigate the late 1970’s and find out what interest rates and inflation were then. The economy we have now would have been considered utopia compared to what we had then. It’s hard to see any credibility in your arguments when you make a statement like that regarding interest rates. Rates over the last five years are the lowest they have been since the early fifties. You sound more like a crying infant that wants its milk and wants it now.

“they have basically made a joke out of their 1960’s and ’70’s rhetoric”

??? I think you have things mixed up. Perhaps it is the Sixties Hippy generation that you truly dislike? GenX’ers were born mid to late sixties so really didn’t start to form their belief systems until around 1980 and later. The rhetoric of the 60’s and 70’s you are referring to belonged to the, let’s all just have fun and share everything, hippy generation.

I am sometimes embarrassed being a GenX’er. It started off cool because so many of us pushed the limits of many activities, doing things I never thought possible in the realm of sports and adventure. Many have become rich from this and are household names now. But, there is the other half of GenX’ers that picked up the hippy philosophy from their parents and seem to want to create some Orwellian society in which we move beyond equal opportunity and more toward complete equality in every aspect. They would achieve this by gaining control politically and redistributing opportunity, wealth, acclaim, and even achievement.

I normally only lurk here for the real estate related material but, having a fellow GenX’er make a general statement that so grossly mis-represents what I and many others in that group believe spurned me to comment, and, perhaps, to give others the notion that not all of us see ourselves as helpless, pathetic, miscreants under the thumbs of the conniving upper class, manipulated and cajoled like puppets until our last breath and dollar are gone. Believe it or not some of us actually work and aspire to greater things.

I believe the following two quotes are apropos…

The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false. –Paul Johnson

Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. — T. S. Eliot

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