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June 25, 2007 at 11:50 AM #61941June 25, 2007 at 11:50 AM #61901
yojimbo
Participant“until the greedy baby boomers pass on”
You mean they are greedy because they have something you want but can’t afford? Their greed is standing in the way of your own greed?
“It is not my peers that make the laws”
I’m a GenX’er as well and I think you’re essentially right with this statement. Many GenX’er’s are too engulfed in their constant search for new forms of personal entertainment to really have any concern for what is happening around them politically or socially. As long as they can get out on the water on their Kayak and engage in a superficial Zen experience then they’re happy because, in their minds, that puts them at a higher level than all the rest of the less intellectual “working” class.
“Now, they hold the wealth disproportionately”
Ahh, yes, I hear it all the time from certain GenX’ers. Someone else is always holding them down and keeping them, and everyone around them, from realizing their true intellectual and creative superiority. They never consider the fact that the baby boomers may have worked for their wealth. And, there is this term that most GenX’ers haven’t heard…it’s called “Saving”.
“they hire our generation at horrible wages without increasing their salary, they raise tuition at college to absurd levels, they make loans to the population at asenine interest rate levels”
For some reason the concept of “Market Forces” is something that some GenX’ers don’t comprehend or believe is some fantasy of past, long forgotten, economists. I’ve always found it humorous that some people want to get out from under the “control” of some nebulous group by asserting control themselves over others. I don’t mind the battle for control so much as I do the whining and crying from those who are afraid to jump into the fight.
“asenine interest rate levels”
Now THAT is funny! Have you ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Carter?? Perhaps you should investigate the late 1970’s and find out what interest rates and inflation were then. The economy we have now would have been considered utopia compared to what we had then. It’s hard to see any credibility in your arguments when you make a statement like that regarding interest rates. Rates over the last five years are the lowest they have been since the early fifties. You sound more like a crying infant that wants its milk and wants it now.
“they have basically made a joke out of their 1960’s and ’70’s rhetoric”
??? I think you have things mixed up. Perhaps it is the Sixties Hippy generation that you truly dislike? GenX’ers were born mid to late sixties so really didn’t start to form their belief systems until around 1980 and later. The rhetoric of the 60’s and 70’s you are referring to belonged to the, let’s all just have fun and share everything, hippy generation.
I am sometimes embarrassed being a GenX’er. It started off cool because so many of us pushed the limits of many activities, doing things I never thought possible in the realm of sports and adventure. Many have become rich from this and are household names now. But, there is the other half of GenX’ers that picked up the hippy philosophy from their parents and seem to want to create some Orwellian society in which we move beyond equal opportunity and more toward complete equality in every aspect. They would achieve this by gaining control politically and redistributing opportunity, wealth, acclaim, and even achievement.
I normally only lurk here for the real estate related material but, having a fellow GenX’er make a general statement that so grossly mis-represents what I and many others in that group believe spurned me to comment, and, perhaps, to give others the notion that not all of us see ourselves as helpless, pathetic, miscreants under the thumbs of the conniving upper class, manipulated and cajoled like puppets until our last breath and dollar are gone. Believe it or not some of us actually work and aspire to greater things.
I believe the following two quotes are apropos…
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false. –Paul Johnson
Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. — T. S. Eliot
June 25, 2007 at 11:50 AM #61943Participant“until the greedy baby boomers pass on”
You mean they are greedy because they have something you want but can’t afford? Their greed is standing in the way of your own greed?
“It is not my peers that make the laws”
I’m a GenX’er as well and I think you’re essentially right with this statement. Many GenX’er’s are too engulfed in their constant search for new forms of personal entertainment to really have any concern for what is happening around them politically or socially. As long as they can get out on the water on their Kayak and engage in a superficial Zen experience then they’re happy because, in their minds, that puts them at a higher level than all the rest of the less intellectual “working” class.
“Now, they hold the wealth disproportionately”
Ahh, yes, I hear it all the time from certain GenX’ers. Someone else is always holding them down and keeping them, and everyone around them, from realizing their true intellectual and creative superiority. They never consider the fact that the baby boomers may have worked for their wealth. And, there is this term that most GenX’ers haven’t heard…it’s called “Saving”.
“they hire our generation at horrible wages without increasing their salary, they raise tuition at college to absurd levels, they make loans to the population at asenine interest rate levels”
For some reason the concept of “Market Forces” is something that some GenX’ers don’t comprehend or believe is some fantasy of past, long forgotten, economists. I’ve always found it humorous that some people want to get out from under the “control” of some nebulous group by asserting control themselves over others. I don’t mind the battle for control so much as I do the whining and crying from those who are afraid to jump into the fight.
“asenine interest rate levels”
Now THAT is funny! Have you ever heard of a guy named Jimmy Carter?? Perhaps you should investigate the late 1970’s and find out what interest rates and inflation were then. The economy we have now would have been considered utopia compared to what we had then. It’s hard to see any credibility in your arguments when you make a statement like that regarding interest rates. Rates over the last five years are the lowest they have been since the early fifties. You sound more like a crying infant that wants its milk and wants it now.
“they have basically made a joke out of their 1960’s and ’70’s rhetoric”
??? I think you have things mixed up. Perhaps it is the Sixties Hippy generation that you truly dislike? GenX’ers were born mid to late sixties so really didn’t start to form their belief systems until around 1980 and later. The rhetoric of the 60’s and 70’s you are referring to belonged to the, let’s all just have fun and share everything, hippy generation.
I am sometimes embarrassed being a GenX’er. It started off cool because so many of us pushed the limits of many activities, doing things I never thought possible in the realm of sports and adventure. Many have become rich from this and are household names now. But, there is the other half of GenX’ers that picked up the hippy philosophy from their parents and seem to want to create some Orwellian society in which we move beyond equal opportunity and more toward complete equality in every aspect. They would achieve this by gaining control politically and redistributing opportunity, wealth, acclaim, and even achievement.
I normally only lurk here for the real estate related material but, having a fellow GenX’er make a general statement that so grossly mis-represents what I and many others in that group believe spurned me to comment, and, perhaps, to give others the notion that not all of us see ourselves as helpless, pathetic, miscreants under the thumbs of the conniving upper class, manipulated and cajoled like puppets until our last breath and dollar are gone. Believe it or not some of us actually work and aspire to greater things.
I believe the following two quotes are apropos…
The study of history is a powerful antidote to contemporary arrogance. It is humbling to discover how many of our glib assumptions, which seem to us novel and plausible, have been tested before, not once but many times and in innumerable guises; and discovered to be, at great human cost, wholly false. –Paul Johnson
Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm– but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves. — T. S. Eliot
June 25, 2007 at 11:54 AM #61903meadandale
Participant“Read the thread before you post retarded comments.”
Oh, you mean like this part:
“Meadandale, I can only assume that you are a member of Generation Greed (i.e. Baby Boomers).”
“Clearly, your grad school education didn’t pay off.”
When all else fails and you can’t support your argument with facts, make an ad hominem attack to divert attention. LOL
June 25, 2007 at 11:54 AM #61945Participant“Read the thread before you post retarded comments.”
Oh, you mean like this part:
“Meadandale, I can only assume that you are a member of Generation Greed (i.e. Baby Boomers).”
“Clearly, your grad school education didn’t pay off.”
When all else fails and you can’t support your argument with facts, make an ad hominem attack to divert attention. LOL
June 25, 2007 at 12:06 PM #61905kewp
ParticipantNot to mention, how many baby boomers in management are outsourcing all of the GenX’ers jobs overseas? Not to mention flat wages, loss of benefits and uncompensated overtime for those that are left.
June 25, 2007 at 12:06 PM #61947ParticipantNot to mention, how many baby boomers in management are outsourcing all of the GenX’ers jobs overseas? Not to mention flat wages, loss of benefits and uncompensated overtime for those that are left.
June 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM #61906SD Attorney
ParticipantThat is a great comment yojimbo. I do respect it and believe I understand your points. It just shows you that two people can have strikingly different view points.
For me, my true awakening came when I was living in Antarctica. I spent nearly a year there and it was the greatest experience I have had in some ways. I did have internet access, but rarely used it for anything other than sending emails. I was completely free from marketing, advertisements, laws, tv, cell phones, highways, everything, etc. This is an experience that I don’t think anyone on this board can relate to. It is not like living overseas in the traditional sense. This was like living on the moon.
I saw America with new eyes. I came back and honestly my initial reaction was disgust. Everything was so overdone, in your face, and extremely wasteful.
Therefore, before you scold me or try to school me, please understand where I come from. I believe that you can’t really see America until you are stripped of everything that it offers. Then you piece it back together and figure out where it makes sense and where it doesn’t.
I, like anyone else, can make sweeping generalizations and blanket statements. We all know where those get us on these type of threads.
Now, I honestly believe that real change in America will not take place until the Boomers die. They have too much at risk to promote change and they have spent their whole lives building individual wealth, so the last thing they want to do is share it, other than the small amounts they give to charities or whatever.
I also believe that the courts/legislature need to take away the status of corporations as legal beings, i.e. giving them the same rights as individuals.
June 25, 2007 at 12:08 PM #61949ParticipantThat is a great comment yojimbo. I do respect it and believe I understand your points. It just shows you that two people can have strikingly different view points.
For me, my true awakening came when I was living in Antarctica. I spent nearly a year there and it was the greatest experience I have had in some ways. I did have internet access, but rarely used it for anything other than sending emails. I was completely free from marketing, advertisements, laws, tv, cell phones, highways, everything, etc. This is an experience that I don’t think anyone on this board can relate to. It is not like living overseas in the traditional sense. This was like living on the moon.
I saw America with new eyes. I came back and honestly my initial reaction was disgust. Everything was so overdone, in your face, and extremely wasteful.
Therefore, before you scold me or try to school me, please understand where I come from. I believe that you can’t really see America until you are stripped of everything that it offers. Then you piece it back together and figure out where it makes sense and where it doesn’t.
I, like anyone else, can make sweeping generalizations and blanket statements. We all know where those get us on these type of threads.
Now, I honestly believe that real change in America will not take place until the Boomers die. They have too much at risk to promote change and they have spent their whole lives building individual wealth, so the last thing they want to do is share it, other than the small amounts they give to charities or whatever.
I also believe that the courts/legislature need to take away the status of corporations as legal beings, i.e. giving them the same rights as individuals.
June 25, 2007 at 12:09 PM #61908Participant“Your parents are the very baby boomers that you are denouncing and taught you that how you feel is more important than what you do. The results are obvious.”
You drew first blood. Deal with it.
June 25, 2007 at 12:09 PM #61951Participant“Your parents are the very baby boomers that you are denouncing and taught you that how you feel is more important than what you do. The results are obvious.”
You drew first blood. Deal with it.
June 25, 2007 at 12:22 PM #61912Bugs
ParticipantI’ll wager that it wasn’t people from your generation who financed your Antarctic adventure. Upon your return, your disgust of American excess wasn’t strictly limited to the excesses of the boomers.
Like I said, your generation will have its day. Hopefully by then your peers will have made better choices than my peers have made. It doesn’t look that way so far, but it’s not over yet.
June 25, 2007 at 12:22 PM #61955ParticipantI’ll wager that it wasn’t people from your generation who financed your Antarctic adventure. Upon your return, your disgust of American excess wasn’t strictly limited to the excesses of the boomers.
Like I said, your generation will have its day. Hopefully by then your peers will have made better choices than my peers have made. It doesn’t look that way so far, but it’s not over yet.
June 25, 2007 at 12:39 PM #61919ParticipantBugs, you’re right. I was disgusted at everything. Our generation will have its day. I am of the mind set that it won’t happen until the Boomers are dead.
I started this thread with the hopes that someone could convince me that things will change prior to the Boomers dying or convince me that I am a douchebag.
No one has done either, so I am going to cheer up and just keep on living knowing that some things truely are out of my control and I just have to deal with it or not. Since I have my youth, I choose to deal for now.
See you tomorrow.
June 25, 2007 at 12:39 PM #61961ParticipantBugs, you’re right. I was disgusted at everything. Our generation will have its day. I am of the mind set that it won’t happen until the Boomers are dead.
I started this thread with the hopes that someone could convince me that things will change prior to the Boomers dying or convince me that I am a douchebag.
No one has done either, so I am going to cheer up and just keep on living knowing that some things truely are out of my control and I just have to deal with it or not. Since I have my youth, I choose to deal for now.
See you tomorrow.
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