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Participant[quote=Aecetia]I doubt the red necks of East county will shoot you unless you are a cattle rustler. They might laugh at you though.[/quote]
I think real American south rednecks would refer to East San Diego County rednecks as ‘city folk’.
Participant[quote=Aecetia]I doubt the red necks of East county will shoot you unless you are a cattle rustler. They might laugh at you though.[/quote]
I think real American south rednecks would refer to East San Diego County rednecks as ‘city folk’.
Participant[quote=Aecetia]I doubt the red necks of East county will shoot you unless you are a cattle rustler. They might laugh at you though.[/quote]
I think real American south rednecks would refer to East San Diego County rednecks as ‘city folk’.
Participant[quote=Aecetia]I doubt the red necks of East county will shoot you unless you are a cattle rustler. They might laugh at you though.[/quote]
I think real American south rednecks would refer to East San Diego County rednecks as ‘city folk’.
Participant[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.
If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.
I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]
Excellent point.
If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.
However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.
There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.
The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.
Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.
Participant[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.
If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.
I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]
Excellent point.
If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.
However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.
There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.
The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.
Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.
Participant[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.
If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.
I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]
Excellent point.
If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.
However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.
There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.
The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.
Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.
Participant[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.
If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.
I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]
Excellent point.
If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.
However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.
There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.
The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.
Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.
Participant[quote=briansd1]I don’t see how wearing the burqa affects anyone but the wearer.
If people want to wear it, it doesn’t affect me. Let them be.
I think that the Kaffiyeh for men like in Lawrence of Arabia is not a bad idea, especially if you have to be out in the sun for extended periods of time. It’s a great sunscreen that keeps you cool too.[/quote]
Excellent point.
If this were simply a matter of freedom of choice, I would be more supportive.
However, not all Muslim women choose to where burqa’s. This issue highlights the fact that religion and culture are intricately linked. Women are oppressed in Muslim culture, and the requirement to wear a burqa is not as practiced in ‘secularized’ Muslim countries like Iran, and Libya.
There are passages in the bible that are very restrictive of women:
“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.”
“1Cor.14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church”Western civilization has not only abandoned these practices, it has abandoned (well almost abandoned) the notion that women are second class citizens.
The Quran/Koran does not explicitly state that women must cover themselves completely. It only says that they must dress moderately.
Personally, I’m uncomfortable with people running around in public dressed like broke-ass ninjas who can only afford to shop at the discount big and tall ninja store. I’m ok with the head scarves, but the Burqas with eye slits, or see through cloth covering the face disturb me.
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]
Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]
so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]
Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]
Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]
so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]
Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]
Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]
so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]
Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]
Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]
so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]
Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.
Participant[quote=ocrenter][quote=weberlin]
Regardless of intent, Butz is the guy that set the ball rolling on large corporations pushing out small farmers to get ridiculous subsidies. These subsidies were initially priced to incentivize food production to lower the cost of food for families in the 60’s. Unfortunately, these subsidies have only increased since their initial adoption.[/quote]
so perhaps simply redirecting the subsidies toward production of healthier food?[/quote]
Absolutely! Unfortunately, the Farm Lobby is very powerful, and they like the current distribution of farm subsidies just fine.
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