huge topic:Americans keep getting fatter

[Ricechex]

[quote=ocrenter]The obesity epidemic is the result of a perfect confluence of conditions in this country since the 60’s:

–families gradually moved from single income to double income or single parent households, translating to less in home cooking and more take outs/eating out or reliance on easy to cook processed food.

–expansion of suburbia, which also translate to increased reliance on cars and increased commute time. this eliminate walking as integral part of daily life.

–the increased reliance on restaurant food/processed microwave ready food means increased amount of dollar in that area. this drives competition for this expending dollar. the expending food industry realized if they maximize taste (increase in grease and salt), maximize portion size, and improve efficiency (thus lower cost), they can maximize their profit.

The above is how we got here, here is how things will unfold.

expect the obesity crisis to get worse for the foreseeable future. we have an entire generation of children raised on sweets and fat. their brains are programmed to respond to sweets and fat, in essence they are lost. if they are not fat, they will be once they reach adulthood. this generation will likely reach 50% obesity rate, most of them will likely start having diagnosis of diabetes and cholesterol problems in their 30’s to 40’s, a lot of them will have heart disease and strokes in their 50’s and 60’s, a drastic worsening in comparison to the generation before them.

the problem will get so bad that government reaction to fat and sweets will rival that of smoking. it will no longer be a partisan issue because the problem would be so overwhelming. the rate for heart failure, amputation, and dialysis for what would have been perfectly healthy 50 year olds would be staggering in comparison to the prior generations. the argument that government would be infringing on personal rights with sugar tax and public campaigns and strict regulations on food would hold very little water.

luckily, the generation after this lost obese generation will fare much better. much like the generation after the anti-smoking era, they will realize food is not to be abused and parents need to be parents by restricting exposure of their children to harmful food.

but make no mistake about it, there will be a lot of casualties and a lot of money spent on the way to health for this country.[/quote]

Yes, nice assessment OC. Absolutely true. Did you know that back in they day, the native born Hawaiians were by and large a healthy people? When the corporations came in, their own food became too expensive for them, and they ate a lot of fast food. They have huge problems with diabetes, cholesterol levels, and obesity now.

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[CardiffBaseball]

OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).

[NotCranky]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).[/quote]

People who train for half marathons are going to be thin pretty much no matter what they eat and many of them do it to cope with eating disorders.It’s pretty hard to eat and run at the same time. If they don’t make other changes, they will be fat again when they can’t run. Many moderate people who exercise much less never gain weight. I would want to take notes from the latter group.

I don’t think the food “this or that” is so much at the issue.
If people ate somewhere in the ballpark of what they need and are moderately active that would take care of it for most. Dieting and extreme excercise or any of the other “solutions” would not be necessary. I think this is really where it’s nice to be.

But we don’t.We eat too much of the right and the wrong things.

Here are some things I think might help:
Tired = go to bed.
Bored= Do something interesting
Other feelings= Deal w/your life
Hungry= eat something,and most of the time have it be something recognizable as part of an animal or plant.

Of course for the eating part there needs to be occasional adjustment something short of a Yo Yo syndrome. Almost everyone eats and drinks too much sometimes, including habitually thin, relatively healthy people. If it doesn’t tend to just average out with periods accidental under eating and the occasional super healthy meals with your prius driving liberal friends, then a few moderate adjustments can be made. Special diets always seem to work best for the guru preaching them who are often making a living off that preaching. Of course running the half marathons might actually be what makes it appear to work.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).[/quote]

People who train for half marathons are going to be thin pretty much no matter what they eat and many of them do it to cope with eating disorders.It’s pretty hard to eat and run at the same time. If they don’t make other changes, they will be fat again when they can’t run. Many moderate people who exercise much less never gain weight. I would want to take notes from the latter group.

I don’t think the food “this or that” is so much at the issue.
If people ate somewhere in the ballpark of what they need and are moderately active that would take care of it for most. Dieting and extreme excercise or any of the other “solutions” would not be necessary. I think this is really where it’s nice to be.

But we don’t.We eat too much of the right and the wrong things.

Here are some things I think might help:
Tired = go to bed.
Bored= Do something interesting
Other feelings= Deal w/your life
Hungry= eat something,and most of the time have it be something recognizable as part of an animal or plant.

Of course for the eating part there needs to be occasional adjustment something short of a Yo Yo syndrome. Almost everyone eats and drinks too much sometimes, including habitually thin, relatively healthy people. If it doesn’t tend to just average out with periods accidental under eating and the occasional super healthy meals with your prius driving liberal friends, then a few moderate adjustments can be made. Special diets always seem to work best for the guru preaching them who are often making a living off that preaching. Of course running the half marathons might actually be what makes it appear to work.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).[/quote]

People who train for half marathons are going to be thin pretty much no matter what they eat and many of them do it to cope with eating disorders.It’s pretty hard to eat and run at the same time. If they don’t make other changes, they will be fat again when they can’t run. Many moderate people who exercise much less never gain weight. I would want to take notes from the latter group.

I don’t think the food “this or that” is so much at the issue.
If people ate somewhere in the ballpark of what they need and are moderately active that would take care of it for most. Dieting and extreme excercise or any of the other “solutions” would not be necessary. I think this is really where it’s nice to be.

But we don’t.We eat too much of the right and the wrong things.

Here are some things I think might help:
Tired = go to bed.
Bored= Do something interesting
Other feelings= Deal w/your life
Hungry= eat something,and most of the time have it be something recognizable as part of an animal or plant.

Of course for the eating part there needs to be occasional adjustment something short of a Yo Yo syndrome. Almost everyone eats and drinks too much sometimes, including habitually thin, relatively healthy people. If it doesn’t tend to just average out with periods accidental under eating and the occasional super healthy meals with your prius driving liberal friends, then a few moderate adjustments can be made. Special diets always seem to work best for the guru preaching them who are often making a living off that preaching. Of course running the half marathons might actually be what makes it appear to work.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).[/quote]

People who train for half marathons are going to be thin pretty much no matter what they eat and many of them do it to cope with eating disorders.It’s pretty hard to eat and run at the same time. If they don’t make other changes, they will be fat again when they can’t run. Many moderate people who exercise much less never gain weight. I would want to take notes from the latter group.

I don’t think the food “this or that” is so much at the issue.
If people ate somewhere in the ballpark of what they need and are moderately active that would take care of it for most. Dieting and extreme excercise or any of the other “solutions” would not be necessary. I think this is really where it’s nice to be.

But we don’t.We eat too much of the right and the wrong things.

Here are some things I think might help:
Tired = go to bed.
Bored= Do something interesting
Other feelings= Deal w/your life
Hungry= eat something,and most of the time have it be something recognizable as part of an animal or plant.

Of course for the eating part there needs to be occasional adjustment something short of a Yo Yo syndrome. Almost everyone eats and drinks too much sometimes, including habitually thin, relatively healthy people. If it doesn’t tend to just average out with periods accidental under eating and the occasional super healthy meals with your prius driving liberal friends, then a few moderate adjustments can be made. Special diets always seem to work best for the guru preaching them who are often making a living off that preaching. Of course running the half marathons might actually be what makes it appear to work.

[NotCranky]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]OC my only problem is the insistence that eating fat (I am cutting out the sweets part) is what causes fat. There is plenty of evidence out there that the growth in starchy foods is the bigger culprit.

Now when I say starches I include the HFCS type foods which, as you point out, are probably heavily represented in the restaurant industry.

Eating fat is quite satiating and tends to keep one from splurging later. If the complaint is that the variety is lacking, then yes this is true… However one could eat a hunk of steak at each meal 3-4 times a day with some broccoli and possibly a small portion of a brown rice and do perfectly fine despite the fat content in the beef.

Now, I might agree that if you ate a Qtr Pounder from McDonalds every day 3 times a day, you are likely getting a piece of beef that was drenched in salt. Thus it won’t hurt you occasionally but daily intake might not be so good.

Eggs, Cheese, Butter, Red Meat, broccoli, and 1-2 pieces of fruit a day is actually a pretty damn smart way to eat if you can handle the boredom. Chicken as well as long as you don’t get too hungry (because the lack of fat makes it less filling)

The key is you have to cut calories and do it in a way that keeps you going. If you want to go all-low-fat and you like eating that way more power to you, nothing wrong with it, but there are some eating a fairly high fat-content who are otherwise pretty damn healthy. (Check out the folks at Zero-Carb the leader runs half-marathons).[/quote]

People who train for half marathons are going to be thin pretty much no matter what they eat and many of them do it to cope with eating disorders.It’s pretty hard to eat and run at the same time. If they don’t make other changes, they will be fat again when they can’t run. Many moderate people who exercise much less never gain weight. I would want to take notes from the latter group.

I don’t think the food “this or that” is so much at the issue.
If people ate somewhere in the ballpark of what they need and are moderately active that would take care of it for most. Dieting and extreme excercise or any of the other “solutions” would not be necessary. I think this is really where it’s nice to be.

But we don’t.We eat too much of the right and the wrong things.

Here are some things I think might help:
Tired = go to bed.
Bored= Do something interesting
Other feelings= Deal w/your life
Hungry= eat something,and most of the time have it be something recognizable as part of an animal or plant.

Of course for the eating part there needs to be occasional adjustment something short of a Yo Yo syndrome. Almost everyone eats and drinks too much sometimes, including habitually thin, relatively healthy people. If it doesn’t tend to just average out with periods accidental under eating and the occasional super healthy meals with your prius driving liberal friends, then a few moderate adjustments can be made. Special diets always seem to work best for the guru preaching them who are often making a living off that preaching. Of course running the half marathons might actually be what makes it appear to work.

[GH]

I have lost 25 lbs in the last 18 months. My secret? NO CUBICLE JOB!!!

Of course I have also lost my shirt, but seriously I suspect that longer work hours and sedentary high pressure jobs are a big factor in weight gain.

That and we cut sugar. NO cake, gummy bears, soda .. Pretty much anything where the first ingrediant is sugar.

Lastly no one really knows the impact of all our genetically modified foods, and substances like BGH etc.

[GH]

I have lost 25 lbs in the last 18 months. My secret? NO CUBICLE JOB!!!

Of course I have also lost my shirt, but seriously I suspect that longer work hours and sedentary high pressure jobs are a big factor in weight gain.

That and we cut sugar. NO cake, gummy bears, soda .. Pretty much anything where the first ingrediant is sugar.

Lastly no one really knows the impact of all our genetically modified foods, and substances like BGH etc.

[GH]

I have lost 25 lbs in the last 18 months. My secret? NO CUBICLE JOB!!!

Of course I have also lost my shirt, but seriously I suspect that longer work hours and sedentary high pressure jobs are a big factor in weight gain.

That and we cut sugar. NO cake, gummy bears, soda .. Pretty much anything where the first ingrediant is sugar.

Lastly no one really knows the impact of all our genetically modified foods, and substances like BGH etc.

[GH]

I have lost 25 lbs in the last 18 months. My secret? NO CUBICLE JOB!!!

Of course I have also lost my shirt, but seriously I suspect that longer work hours and sedentary high pressure jobs are a big factor in weight gain.

That and we cut sugar. NO cake, gummy bears, soda .. Pretty much anything where the first ingrediant is sugar.

Lastly no one really knows the impact of all our genetically modified foods, and substances like BGH etc.

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