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[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

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[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

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[quote=paramount][quote=permabear][quote=paramount]There are two (2) types of workers in California:
1. Gov’t Workers = Tax Takers
2. Private Sector Workers = Tax Payers
Source: John and Ken[/quote]

What about the fact that public workers pay taxes?[/quote]

I’ll try and make this really easy:

Government workers don’t really pay taxes, all they do is return a portion of the taxpayer dollars originally generated in the private sector.

Private Sector = Makers

Public Sector = Takers

“Remember, people who work for the Government don’t pay taxes, the people in the private sector pay their taxes for them, because every dollar in the Government Worker’s paycheck, came from a Private Sector Taxpayer. The next time you hear a Government Worker say “I pay my Taxes too”, tell them, “No you don’t, I do, because every dollar you have came from me.”[/quote]

What about defense contractors. They’re salaries come directly from taxpayer dollars. Are they different than say an employee at the office that issues building permits and does building inspections? You can argue that both add value. We need building inspectors to make sure construction is done to code. We need defense contractors to build the tomahawk missiles we just lobbed into Libya.

I worked for a defense contractor as my first job out of college. My salary came from a private sector company (Cubic) but was directly billable to the government. Was I a “taker”?

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Rustico] I almost started a thread on the topic of moving the child up, so this thread is interesting to me.[/quote]

Rustico, what’s this “almost” stuff? Go ahead and start one. I, too, think it’s a discussion-worthy topic, and almost sure to generate some intriguing discourse within the Piggs feedlot.

Go for it!![/quote]
ITA. I’d like to hear arguments for/against. At the moment we’re just loading him up with high level academic work at home and working with his teacher on boredom issues.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Rustico] I almost started a thread on the topic of moving the child up, so this thread is interesting to me.[/quote]

Rustico, what’s this “almost” stuff? Go ahead and start one. I, too, think it’s a discussion-worthy topic, and almost sure to generate some intriguing discourse within the Piggs feedlot.

Go for it!![/quote]
ITA. I’d like to hear arguments for/against. At the moment we’re just loading him up with high level academic work at home and working with his teacher on boredom issues.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Rustico] I almost started a thread on the topic of moving the child up, so this thread is interesting to me.[/quote]

Rustico, what’s this “almost” stuff? Go ahead and start one. I, too, think it’s a discussion-worthy topic, and almost sure to generate some intriguing discourse within the Piggs feedlot.

Go for it!![/quote]
ITA. I’d like to hear arguments for/against. At the moment we’re just loading him up with high level academic work at home and working with his teacher on boredom issues.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Rustico] I almost started a thread on the topic of moving the child up, so this thread is interesting to me.[/quote]

Rustico, what’s this “almost” stuff? Go ahead and start one. I, too, think it’s a discussion-worthy topic, and almost sure to generate some intriguing discourse within the Piggs feedlot.

Go for it!![/quote]
ITA. I’d like to hear arguments for/against. At the moment we’re just loading him up with high level academic work at home and working with his teacher on boredom issues.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=Rustico] I almost started a thread on the topic of moving the child up, so this thread is interesting to me.[/quote]

Rustico, what’s this “almost” stuff? Go ahead and start one. I, too, think it’s a discussion-worthy topic, and almost sure to generate some intriguing discourse within the Piggs feedlot.

Go for it!![/quote]
ITA. I’d like to hear arguments for/against. At the moment we’re just loading him up with high level academic work at home and working with his teacher on boredom issues.

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People can ask whatever they want… Getting it is the hard part.

The comments at sdlookup are pretty snarky, lol. El Pato captured some of the craigslist rental ads for the place, too.

http://www.sdlookup.com/Property-B48020C2-4316_Fanuel_St_San_Diego_CA_92109

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People can ask whatever they want… Getting it is the hard part.

The comments at sdlookup are pretty snarky, lol. El Pato captured some of the craigslist rental ads for the place, too.

http://www.sdlookup.com/Property-B48020C2-4316_Fanuel_St_San_Diego_CA_92109

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People can ask whatever they want… Getting it is the hard part.

The comments at sdlookup are pretty snarky, lol. El Pato captured some of the craigslist rental ads for the place, too.

http://www.sdlookup.com/Property-B48020C2-4316_Fanuel_St_San_Diego_CA_92109

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People can ask whatever they want… Getting it is the hard part.

The comments at sdlookup are pretty snarky, lol. El Pato captured some of the craigslist rental ads for the place, too.

http://www.sdlookup.com/Property-B48020C2-4316_Fanuel_St_San_Diego_CA_92109

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People can ask whatever they want… Getting it is the hard part.

The comments at sdlookup are pretty snarky, lol. El Pato captured some of the craigslist rental ads for the place, too.

http://www.sdlookup.com/Property-B48020C2-4316_Fanuel_St_San_Diego_CA_92109

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[quote=CONCHO]Bitching about unions while the country is being gang-raped by corporate and financial interests is like complaining about mosquitoes while being eaten by a bear.[/quote]

I agree.

And on the topic of pensions… I’ve never worked public sector except an internship with the Nat’l weather service electronics tech shop one summer, while in college. Non-union. I’ve never been a union employee. That said – I had full, defined benefit pension with my private sector employer until we were acquired by another private sector employer in 2000. The new employer had a cash based pension program – (aka Portable Pension) that continued till 2009. Both pensions are now frozen.

Defined benefit pensions existed for non union private sector employees AS THE NORM until about a decade ago. My father, an engineer, non-union, private sector, retired with a nice pension from Cubic Corp.

My pensions were frozen – but I’ll still get *something* when I retire. Not enough to live on… I wish they hadn’t frozen the pensions… especially the first one – the defined benefit one. But they did. It’s another in a long list of benefits that have been taken away for this private sector employee. It doesn’t make me angry at the folks who still have benefits/pensions… it makes me ENVIOUS for what I used to have.

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[quote=CONCHO]Bitching about unions while the country is being gang-raped by corporate and financial interests is like complaining about mosquitoes while being eaten by a bear.[/quote]

I agree.

And on the topic of pensions… I’ve never worked public sector except an internship with the Nat’l weather service electronics tech shop one summer, while in college. Non-union. I’ve never been a union employee. That said – I had full, defined benefit pension with my private sector employer until we were acquired by another private sector employer in 2000. The new employer had a cash based pension program – (aka Portable Pension) that continued till 2009. Both pensions are now frozen.

Defined benefit pensions existed for non union private sector employees AS THE NORM until about a decade ago. My father, an engineer, non-union, private sector, retired with a nice pension from Cubic Corp.

My pensions were frozen – but I’ll still get *something* when I retire. Not enough to live on… I wish they hadn’t frozen the pensions… especially the first one – the defined benefit one. But they did. It’s another in a long list of benefits that have been taken away for this private sector employee. It doesn’t make me angry at the folks who still have benefits/pensions… it makes me ENVIOUS for what I used to have.

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