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TenaciousSD
Participant[quote=Dougie944]
In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]
“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5
I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?
Participant[quote=Dougie944]
In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]
“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5
I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?
Participant[quote=Dougie944]
In my experience, I don’t see most Mexican citizens as wanting US citizenship, just the perks that go along with the status. If most had the perks with a live/work visa, I think they would like to be able to travel back and forth from here to their home country. Obviously it is different for everyone, but I see a proud group of people who love their country but just can’t find jobs there.[/quote]
“At up to $5,000 a person — roughly twice the fee to cross illegally over land — one overnight trip can generate $100,000.” http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5
I am against illegal immigration. Having read the comments on the board, and the articles that were linked to I cant help but wonder what is wrong with a system where migrant workers find that its a better option to pay a smuggler up to $5,000 (USD!) to take them on an unlit boat ride in the dead of the night to make the journey to the States. I’m sure that they are aware that there is no guarantee of work, no set place to live, no one to go to if someone commits an inhumane act against them.
Makes me wonder what it really takes for a farm laborer to legally come across the border to work. What does it take to do it right and why are they choosing to risk their life instead of taking this path?
Participant“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)
Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.
I got this from the article you linked to:
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The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”“We’re one step behind,” he says.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.
They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.
“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)
I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.
Participant“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)
Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.
I got this from the article you linked to:
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The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”“We’re one step behind,” he says.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.
They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.
“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)
I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.
Participant“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)
Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.
I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”“We’re one step behind,” he says.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.
They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.
“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)
I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.
Participant“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)
Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.
I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”“We’re one step behind,” he says.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.
They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.
“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)
I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.
Participant“I think we can all agree that we don’t really want boatloads of anonymous people coming in from *wherever in the world* disembarking at 3 AM every night in Leucadia. What, now Leucadia is a “port of entry”?” (KSMountain)
Excellent article KSMountain. I agree with that last statement – but SB1070 wouldn’t target boats from landing on our shores. We have the whole Department of Homeland Security and their components to deal with that (U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement). What we need is better technology.
I got this from the article you linked to:
———
The low-slung boats, when weighed down with people, can float only about one foot above water, making them difficult to see on radar. Night-vision binoculars have limited reach.
“They’re beating us with low-tech,” said ICE’s Carney. “I’m not saying they can’t be detected, but I’m saying they’re very hard to detect.”“We’re one step behind,” he says.
(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqbWNzfU5DdiyvhzF8LWGm4ltNiAD9HR9V2O5)
——-I think part of the solution starts with creating jobs right here San Diego. For example, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. (http://www.ga-asi.com/) builds the Predator B. General Atomics has about 3,200 employees in Poway and Sabre Springs, most of who work on UAVs.
They recently won a $51.5 million dollar Predator contract (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/sep/16/general-atomics-gets-515-million-predator-contract/) from the Defense Department to build tons of parts for these aerial vehicles.
“The Predator B is a high-altitude, long-endurance drone that has primarily been used by the military and U.S. government for spying and reconnaissance in the Middle East. But like Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk, the UAV can be used for other purposes, including border security.” In fact, they’ve already being used to patrol our borders to the south. ( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/aug/30/predator-drone-added-us-border-security/)
I think very soon we will allow our government to patrol not only our borders, but our entire coastline and surrounding communities. I know it something that sounds like it was lifted out of Huxley’s Brave New World, but I think we’re headed in this direction already. Lawmakers already “want an overall plan to speed up use of the planes beyond the border.” (http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/06/faa_resisting_pressure_to_ok_u.html) If Google has “street view” and satellite imagery and Microsoft has Bing Maps with ‘birds eye view’ – I don’t see why our government won’t be flying drones over every coastal town in America to help patrol our borders.
Participant@Briansd1
In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.
I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.
Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.
Participant@Briansd1
In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.
I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.
Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.
Participant@Briansd1
In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.
I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.
Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.
Participant@Briansd1
In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.
I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.
Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.
Participant@Briansd1
In the article you cited, judge Bolton points out that “there is a substantial likelihood that officers will wrongfully arrest legal resident aliens”.
I could easily see that happening. I read an article recently about Border authorities who wrongfully deported an American citizen. “He was carrying his American birth certificate, Social Security card and Texas ID.” He’s home after a 3 month fight, but I can only imagine that the number of cases like this would increase with SB 1070 type legislation.
Please see: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/
These types of deportations have happened for years. One of the maintenance workers at my colleagues high school was stopped in Los Angeles and asked for papers. Although he showed the police his driver’s license, because he stuttered when he was nervous, he couldn’t answer and was taken to Tijuana where he was dropped off. It was days before the administration at the high school could convince the immigration authorities that the man was a US citizen and he could return home. Unfortunately, with today’s heated rhetoric and accusations, it will only get worse.
ParticipantAgreed. (with davelj & CA Renter)
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