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Why don’t you go breathe some smoke from the Bonhomme Richard? Might improve your disposition.
ParticipantI thought the autonomous zone was disbanded by Portland cops before it even got started. Portland =/= Seattle.
ParticipantWhat, are they afraid that the demonstrators might break out a guillotine?
ParticipantWhy were Californians (government and people) so focused on whining about open beaches and parks early in the lockdown? Maybe if they had allowed more outdoor recreation opportunities, there wouldn’t have been such a clamor to reopen indoor venues as quickly as possible. There wasn’t good science in favor of outdoor transmission … it looks like the Northeastern model (not much enforcement of outdoor activity, slow, data-driven reopening of indoor activity) is basically vindicated. Also, we’re serious about masks — not sure how serious people in CA are.
Then again, we much have just been lucky or unlucky — maybe our cities got hit hard enough to create 20-30% immunity. If base R0 is 3.0, that would cut it to about 2 or 2.4 (assuming everyone is equally susceptible and likely to spread it, which may not be the case). Another 50-60% reduction in infectivity from mask use and better hygiene should do the job of lowering R to around 1. Combine this with test-and-trace, and it’s much easier to stay below 1 with 20-30% immunity than with 0-10%.
ocrenter: speaking of quarantine, I’d really support requiring airlines to ask for proof of a recent negative (last 48-72 hours, no older) COVID swab before boarding passengers for Northeastern airports, as well as requiring quarantine. The majority of cases in places like NJ are starting to be from imported outbreaks, and most of the hotspots aren’t within easy driving/train/bus distance.
We could even randomly check car passengers for proof of recent test and quarantine plans … there’s precedent in the US for this. California has ag inspection stations at its borders to prevent importation of dangerous parasites. A virus is essentially a dangerous, microscopic parasite.
ParticipantI disagree … look how many people lived in San Francisco proper and commuted to tech jobs in the suburbs south of the city. Remember the furor over tech buses? People who live in cities, want to live in cities for the most part.
ParticipantI heard a rumor that a significant percentage of the superstructure is a light aluminium-magnesium alloy, and that the metal itself is on fire. (Real bitch to put out, since it burns hot enough to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.)
Glad everyone got off. The ship has an unfortunate namesake since the original USS Bonhomme Richard burned and sank during the Revolution with John Paul Jones as captain.
ParticipantI pay cash for everything I can use cash for … I like being part of the privacy economy as long as it lasts, and it seems like transmission of COVID via porous surfaces is a nonexistent issue. Remember, you can’t spell “demonetization” without “demonization.”
Participant50% is most of the way to herd immunity … it would at least allow for much less drastic precautions against spread. Assuming that herd immunity is 60-70%, not lower as more recent studies suggest.
ParticipantI don’t want people to die. I want people to WEAR MASKS and take other basic precautions, even if complete distancing is impractical. Yet people are screaming that masks are some sort of NWO/Chinese conspiracy designed to impurify their precious bodily fluids. If people are really that dumb, maybe the only choice is to let it spread to minimize the duration of the agony, even if the magnitude is increased.
Also, the odds of hospitalization for someone under 60 are about 0.8%. Divide that by an 20% chance of infection, and you get 0.2% chance of hospitalization. Say 10% of hospitalized patients died; the chance of death under age 60 was likely about 0.02%. Hardly a brush.
ParticipantSince the US (outside of NY and a few other states) can’t seem to handle basic fucking precautions like wearing masks, the cynic in me says maybe it’s best to let it go, infect and kill where it may, burn out, so we can return to normal standards of healthcare. I can understand not liking full lockdowns, but I feel like the anti-mask, anti-science crowd has made its bed. Let them lie in it with a bucket full of bedbugs.
We in the NY area should just institute hard border controls to keep ‘zonies from coming in.
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you don’t need a perfect cure like in the movies. Even a combination of existing treatments that reduces death rate by 90% and reduces hospitalization time by 50-75% would be a wonderful thing.
Even a vaccine that’s 50% effective would put a big dent in COVID transmission and allow fairly mild measures (basic hygiene, masks) to do the rest. The herd immunity threshold isn’t fixed — it’s dependent on culture and behaviour.
Herd immunity is the unspoken goal (Newsom has discussed it), but the interim goal is not to have a high death rate or to overwhelm hospitals. If hospitals are at risk of overload like in Riverside and Imperial Counties, then temporary measures need to be taken to reduce transmission.
Oh, and wear your damn masks, people. If we can reduce transmission via fairly non-intrusive technology like masks, it reduces the need for other, more unpleasant, social distancing measures.
ParticipantMeanwhile, we’re down to 0.7 hospital admissions per day per 100k people in NYC – about 50-60 per day, with ICU cases being only about 10% of that. Despite protests, people “hanging out” outdoors, businesses reopening (legally and otherwise).
Actual scientists have been saying that the risk of outdoor transmission is next to zero for months now … beaches should remain open so people have a safe(r) place to do fun stuff and socialize.
ParticipantNYC seems to be slowly returning to normal levels of traffic and business, at least in neighborhoods where locals live and work. And that’s without tourism draws like museums etc and so forth, which won’t start coming back for another 3-6 weeks.
ParticipantThere’s a solution to the Shake Shack incident … don’t serve cops in your business. Who needs the liability for false accusations by hypersensitive, roided-out goons? They can’t bitch about having their food tampered with if they’re not welcome.
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