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[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

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Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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[quote=Casca]Thanks for your legal opinion SD. It doesn’t help his case much that there is a FOIA response floating around from Occidental that says he took money from the Fulbright Foundation as an Indonesian foreign student. No conspiracy theory here, just one hell of a lot of smoke. That leads some of us to suspect fire. You go ahead and go back to sleep.[/quote]

Citation and source?

Hard to vet information when I’m not provided any relevent facts.

Meanwhile, you can go ahead and replace tinfoil cap. Make sure it’s not on too tight.

BTW, mountains and molehills look very similar – as long as you’re not paying much attention to the perspective.

Edited to add:

Hmm, snopes seems to address this as well.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/occidental.asp

It appears, unless you can actually produce the FOIA response in question (a link to it would be sufficient), that this is solely based on yet another spammail attempting to appear to be a legitimate news story (though the tagline on the supposed AP story which appears to have given rise to this should be a clue, since it’s dated April 1, 2009).

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Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

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Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

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[quote=Casca][quote=IONEGARM][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

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[quote=Casca][quote=IONEGARM][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

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[quote=Casca][quote=IONEGARM][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

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Ok lets assume he wasnt born in America, his mother is American and therefore he has citizenship from birth.

The whole thing is stupid.[/quote]

His mother was a minor, and thus not able to pass on her citizenship. Now pops was a British subject, and Kenyan, so Obama might be able to be PM, except that BO became an Indonesian when he was adopted by the only father he ever knew, Mr. Soetoro. Even if he had been born in Hawaii, he lost his claim to citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia.[/quote]

Huh? As far as I know, adoption by a foreign national does not strip a minor who is an American citizen by birth of citizenship. In fact, so far as I can find out, there is NO way for a minor born on U.S. soil to at least one American parent to lose that citizenship before their majority.

Here are the ways you can lose your citizenship:
1) serve in a foreign army which is “engaged in hostilities” against the USA.
2) commit treason.
3) renounce your citizenship formally.
4) apply for citizenship in another country, on purpose, of your own free will, and with the foreknowledge that you are giving up your US citizenship

None of the above would ever be likely to apply to a minor, as minors are generally held to be unable to give informed consent, which all 4 above require.

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[quote=Casca]Snopes is not credible when it comes to politics. The site is owned by a couple of left wing weenies, and their embrace of the Certificate of Live Birth canard is a fraud. The state of Hawaii does not accept their own certificates of live birth as proof of Hawaiian citizenship. They are simply available for the asking.

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822&p=1

As for the military holding his feet to the fire on this. I don’t expect it to happen. The professional military won’t make this an issue, and no command will be foolish enough to take this issue to court martial.

OTOH, I do expect to see citizens begin to take up the issue. If Obama isn’t legit, neither are his appointees, and their wielding of power is open to question.[/quote]

I would say snopes is more credible than the tinfoil hat sites you are getting your information from are.

From Hawaii’s own government site (Department of Hawaiian Home Lands), it appears that the State of Hawaii DOES indeed accept and approve Certifications of Live Birth as a method of proving citizenship.

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Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificat) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth…although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
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More to the point, MY birth certificate is a “Certification” from a different state, with EXACTLY the same information as Obama’s (and pretty much exactly the same stuff missing). As in Hawaii, the state in question (NY) does not appear to issue long form copies of Birth Certificates anymore, and just generate a short form certification when a sealed copy is requested. It was considered to be sufficient proof of birth and citizenship for me to get my passport a few years back, so it appears the US Government ALSO accepts similar documents as proof of citizenship.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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[quote=Casca]Snopes is not credible when it comes to politics. The site is owned by a couple of left wing weenies, and their embrace of the Certificate of Live Birth canard is a fraud. The state of Hawaii does not accept their own certificates of live birth as proof of Hawaiian citizenship. They are simply available for the asking.

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822&p=1

As for the military holding his feet to the fire on this. I don’t expect it to happen. The professional military won’t make this an issue, and no command will be foolish enough to take this issue to court martial.

OTOH, I do expect to see citizens begin to take up the issue. If Obama isn’t legit, neither are his appointees, and their wielding of power is open to question.[/quote]

I would say snopes is more credible than the tinfoil hat sites you are getting your information from are.

From Hawaii’s own government site (Department of Hawaiian Home Lands), it appears that the State of Hawaii DOES indeed accept and approve Certifications of Live Birth as a method of proving citizenship.

[quote]
Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificat) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth…although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
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More to the point, MY birth certificate is a “Certification” from a different state, with EXACTLY the same information as Obama’s (and pretty much exactly the same stuff missing). As in Hawaii, the state in question (NY) does not appear to issue long form copies of Birth Certificates anymore, and just generate a short form certification when a sealed copy is requested. It was considered to be sufficient proof of birth and citizenship for me to get my passport a few years back, so it appears the US Government ALSO accepts similar documents as proof of citizenship.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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[quote=Casca]Snopes is not credible when it comes to politics. The site is owned by a couple of left wing weenies, and their embrace of the Certificate of Live Birth canard is a fraud. The state of Hawaii does not accept their own certificates of live birth as proof of Hawaiian citizenship. They are simply available for the asking.

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822&p=1

As for the military holding his feet to the fire on this. I don’t expect it to happen. The professional military won’t make this an issue, and no command will be foolish enough to take this issue to court martial.

OTOH, I do expect to see citizens begin to take up the issue. If Obama isn’t legit, neither are his appointees, and their wielding of power is open to question.[/quote]

I would say snopes is more credible than the tinfoil hat sites you are getting your information from are.

From Hawaii’s own government site (Department of Hawaiian Home Lands), it appears that the State of Hawaii DOES indeed accept and approve Certifications of Live Birth as a method of proving citizenship.

[quote]
Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificat) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth…although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
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More to the point, MY birth certificate is a “Certification” from a different state, with EXACTLY the same information as Obama’s (and pretty much exactly the same stuff missing). As in Hawaii, the state in question (NY) does not appear to issue long form copies of Birth Certificates anymore, and just generate a short form certification when a sealed copy is requested. It was considered to be sufficient proof of birth and citizenship for me to get my passport a few years back, so it appears the US Government ALSO accepts similar documents as proof of citizenship.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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[quote=Casca]Snopes is not credible when it comes to politics. The site is owned by a couple of left wing weenies, and their embrace of the Certificate of Live Birth canard is a fraud. The state of Hawaii does not accept their own certificates of live birth as proof of Hawaiian citizenship. They are simply available for the asking.

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6b4_1235260822&p=1

As for the military holding his feet to the fire on this. I don’t expect it to happen. The professional military won’t make this an issue, and no command will be foolish enough to take this issue to court martial.

OTOH, I do expect to see citizens begin to take up the issue. If Obama isn’t legit, neither are his appointees, and their wielding of power is open to question.[/quote]

I would say snopes is more credible than the tinfoil hat sites you are getting your information from are.

From Hawaii’s own government site (Department of Hawaiian Home Lands), it appears that the State of Hawaii DOES indeed accept and approve Certifications of Live Birth as a method of proving citizenship.

[quote]
Primary Documents

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificat) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth…although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
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More to the point, MY birth certificate is a “Certification” from a different state, with EXACTLY the same information as Obama’s (and pretty much exactly the same stuff missing). As in Hawaii, the state in question (NY) does not appear to issue long form copies of Birth Certificates anymore, and just generate a short form certification when a sealed copy is requested. It was considered to be sufficient proof of birth and citizenship for me to get my passport a few years back, so it appears the US Government ALSO accepts similar documents as proof of citizenship.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

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