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Participantnothing has sold in the last 6 months, except for one expensive “outlier” super fancy mansion about a mile away. i guess that could do it?
Participant[quote=jwizzle][quote=squat250]http://www.cslawschool.com/financial-information/tuition-and-fees/
law school, 7k a year.
many working lawyers in riv cty went there.
no one is laughing. many judges went there too…
check out the alumni list on the left of the tuition …
http://www.cslawschool.com/financial-information/tuition-comparison/
there’s a tuition comparison.
this school isn’t the low price leader though i dont think. there’s others like it.
if you really want to make it as an attorney…you will…regardless of the school.[/quote]
I see three issues with something like this school:
(1) it’s a part time program, so on an apples-to-apples comparison to a full-time law program, it’s closer to $11k a year for tuition. Plus $700 per attempt to pass the baby bar
(2) my quick google search (since I admittedly have never heard of California Southern) informed me that in 2010, 3 of 33 people passed the bar. I found a link showing pass percentages (although not numbers, so this is a little misleading) – no one passed the first time in the July 2010 and 2011 exams. Between 1997 and 2007, only 32% of grads passed the bar (21% first try, 11% on repeat trys). And this is after the “hopeless” cases have theoretically been weeded out with the baby bar, which I have also heard is fairly hard.
(3) if you do manage to pass the bar, you will almost certainly be stuck practicing in California forever, since it’s not accredited and most other states do no permit people from non-ABA schools to sit for their bars.
These points pretty much apply to all non-accredited schools. To me, going to a non-accredited school is like putting $30k down on 00 on a roulette table. Maybe you are right that if someone wants to make it, they will, but the odds are really against you.[/quote]
you will be stuck in CA forever probably, but that is a good thing, if you want your kid to stay in CA. CA is big, bold beautiful and diverse.
yes the odds of passing the bar are low statsistically, but that’s not a function of the school itself, it’s a function of who is going to the school.
Look– if you took the UC Hastings freshman class, put them on a bus, and sent them to this school, the bar pass rate would probably be very very close to what UC hastings’ pass rate is.
Theerstwhile hastings’ law first years could work p/t as a security guard, study nights, and maybe even have a higher pass rate, since at this “lesser” school they would actually be studying the actual subject matter on the bar exam, not waste time with “multiculturalism and the law” …or as I wasted time, with “ERISA law” and “mental health law”….
And have ZERO DEBT when it’s over…
it’s common for “lower” schools to focus on the meat and potatoes subjects (criminal procedure, evidence, wills and trusts, etc.) on the bar, while elite schools ignore the subject matter on the bar and study random shit. just to show how smart they are, they say their students will learn all the bar crap in the two month bar review course before the exam…whcih of course the goddamn STUDENT pays for… and never even take HALF the subjects ont he bar exam.
that was my experience…
am I right, JWIZZLE? of course im right, at least on this bar review bar prep bullshit. BARBRI was a few grand back in the 90’s. i just checked the website a few moments ago and saw it is $4135 today.
GOOD LORD, LAW STUDENTS OF AMERICA…is this a scam or what?
So if you know in your heart you are going to do whatever it takes to pass the bar, as I knew for an absolute certainty when i began law school, then you will pass, IF you have the mental horsepower (which i’d say is a 90% percentile on the LSAT and above–at least that puts it in the very good bet category).
the thing is, people with a 90% plus LSAt view themselves as “too smart” to go to this school.
but maybe they’re not as smart as they think.
look, I did substantially higher than a 90% plus LSAt score and went to a top 20 law school. But if I had it to do over again? no way. i’d go to ca southern–also keep in mind with my application, i’d probably get a free ride at this school too…
I disagree with you that p/t 7,000 school is the “same”as 11k full time, since many people can pull together 7k p/t per yearand pay as you go, but when you start to get much higher, you start accruing interest bearing debt.
for my own kid, I am absolutely certain if he went to this school, and wanted to pass the bar exam, he would pass the bar exam, if he wanted it…
Participanthttp://www.cslawschool.com/financial-information/tuition-and-fees/
law school, 7k a year.
many working lawyers in riv cty went there.
no one is laughing. many judges went there too…
check out the alumni list on the left of the tuition …
http://www.cslawschool.com/financial-information/tuition-comparison/
there’s a tuition comparison.
this school isn’t the low price leader though i dont think. there’s others like it.
if you really want to make it as an attorney…you will…regardless of the school.
Participantthere are lots of lawyers out there making 60k with 250,000 in debt.
Participantone way law school could make sense:
you just get an A.A. degree (you do NOT need a 4 year degree to sit for the bar in CA; check the rules); and then go to a super cheap small law school. say 8k a year. pay as you go and pass the bar.
if you’re debt free, you can maneuver better out there…graduating law school with zero debt could work out very well…
flu, if you tell that plan to other tiger parents, they will think you are super low class…
Participanti also lie the idea of showing that you can do crazy new shit when you’re older.
just cause you’re old and skinny doesn’t mean ya cant go buy a squat rack put it in your front yard andsquat 300 lbs !
Participantselfish?
i hadnt thought of it that way.
people tend not to value what is given to them.
isnt it better to make them work for it, help on the back end?
also, back in my day, kids filled outt heir own damn application! seems like if you’re gonna go take on 50-100k in debt, you oughta at least be able to fill out the application!
Participanti think a physically fit parent does help.
my dad always made owrking out and fitness a top prirotiy his whole life.
in fact, the family story is, when i was about to be born, he had snuck away from the hospital for a quick game of handball and his inlaws had to go fetch him!
the lesson we teach through priroitizing physical health is probably more important than any other–kids do as we do, not as we say…
Participantapplications should have gone out?
if there’s one thing I’ve taught my kid, it’s wait till the deadline!
the world is going to end sometime and you don’t want to have done a whole bunch of unnecessary work!
after consultation with kid, it looks like he prefers the community college thing anyway…i think that’sthe way it’s gonna go.
i read an article in the la times about students enrolling at multiplecommcoll to get classes. maybe try that…
we have an interview to go discuss the Honors program at the comm coll, where you get priority registration, whcih sounds better…
Participantah, wait. we checked his score tonight (he hadnt seen it). i added up his score wrong when i checked it out this morning. it’s actually 96th percentile. i guess i would do less than stellar on the sat.
if my sat scores from 1980 are still available, i think the record will reflect that i was around the 98th percentile. evidently there has been some brain decay or ossification of my grey matter over those decades….
still, 96th or even 98th percentile good, but not like super outstanding.
personally, myself, i want to go to UC santa cruz and start over. i think i’ll be a scientist.
Im not sure i have faith that I will find myself, but I do have faith that my kid will find his way.
Participantalso keep in mind. 4 young kids tuition could be 750k in 20 y at uc.
buy a house for a million. put a million aside for school…
Participanti appreciate all your comments and insight.
it’s really helpful for me in sorting through my thoughts on all this.
you need to be clear in your own mind what your position is when talking with kids! or judges, for that matter.
Participanthe doesnt have a plan.
he is open to the universe.
he is extremely interested in everything in the world.
community college.
Participantlooking about temecula, i don’t think the houses look that much nicer from 1 million to million. id save a million and just pay 1 million.
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