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ParticipantPecking order: dude wrote in memoir of a 10 year old brown belt in his karate class who was smirking and maddogging him as an adult cause of his white belt.
That is textbook bottom pecking order perception.
Participantseen on facebook:
one failed attempt at a shoe bomb and we all take our shoes off at the airport.
31 shootings at schools since columbine and no change in gun regulations.
kinda funny.
the gun advocate position is, basically, the deaths are worth it, unavoidable, just one of many means of killing, or not really of any concern on balance.
it might not work to regulate, so don’t do anything.
collateral damage in a rule that benefits the greater good.
also seen on facebook:
Guns don’t kill people, americans kill people…
personally, im taking a knife fighting course from shivworks soon. they also teach extreme cloe quarters combat training and handgun defense. if you read their materials, and these guys are pretty experienced fighting badasses, in a situation with a regulatr criminal, they don’t wait for you. things happen super fast.
odds are without a lot of training youre not going to have your gun in your hand when the shit his the fan.
knives….well…better shot at stabbing in a tussle….
im serious about shivworks and knife fighting… im intrigued by this p’kal style of fight. blade in and down…
perhaps america should train its students in hand to hand combat, gun and knife fighting so they are prepared for modern life. why leave this to chance? half the school days should probably be small arms training, knife fighting, grappling, escape routes, maybe a seminar on kicking and biting. this way we will be ready for overthrowing thr governemnt, repelling foreign invaders and kicking each others ass if one of us steps out of line and becoes a real danger toward the others.
the knife i like is the spyderko p’kal. they hahve a training model too.
Participant[quote=flu][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flyer][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flyer]IMO, whether it’s “mental illness,” the bursting of the “entitle mentality” illusion, “narcissism,” “bad parenting,” or any other “cause,” what I find sad and disgusting in all of these cases is, that many of these people choose to share their misery with other innocent people by destroying or trying to them.
If they can’t get help, don’t respond to it, or simply don’t want it, it’s unfortunate that the “miserable” can’t seem to keep their misery to themselves and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
He was hanging off the bottom of the bottom of the pecking order.
We are social creatures who seek to find our place in the pecking order by status, dominance and getting hot babes.
Hell …we are barely civil in the forum sometimes!!![/quote]
Granted, we are all instinctively motivated to get what we want in life, but most of us don’t blame others, or seek to destroy innocents, if things don’t work out the way we planned.[/quote
True, but most of us don’t believe or dost at the very bottom of the pecking order. Perhaps if we did we might be a bit more crazy desperate and mean[/quote]
But this kid wasnt exactly at the bottom of the pecking order. Socially.. Or economically..
According to his manifesto. He murdered his roommates because he thought they were nerdie and they annoyed him.
Apparently he didnt think he was that lowly on the social ladder. He sure had a lot of contempt for his roommates[/quote]
He was contemptuous cut he was hanging off the bottom of the bottom of the pecking order of men. He couldn’t have been lower.
Participant[quote=flyer][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=flyer]IMO, whether it’s “mental illness,” the bursting of the “entitle mentality” illusion, “narcissism,” “bad parenting,” or any other “cause,” what I find sad and disgusting in all of these cases is, that many of these people choose to share their misery with other innocent people by destroying or trying to them.
If they can’t get help, don’t respond to it, or simply don’t want it, it’s unfortunate that the “miserable” can’t seem to keep their misery to themselves and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
We are social creatures who seek to find our place in the pecking order by status, dominance and getting hot babes.
Hell …we are barely civil in the forum sometimes!!![/quote]
Granted, we are all instinctively motivated to get what we want in life, but most of us don’t blame others, or seek to destroy innocents, if things don’t work out the way we planned.[/quote
True, but most of us don’t believe or dost at the very bottom of the pecking order. Perhaps if we did we might be a bit more crazy desperate and mean
Participant[quote=flyer]IMO, whether it’s “mental illness,” the bursting of the “entitle mentality” illusion, “narcissism,” “bad parenting,” or any other “cause,” what I find sad and disgusting in all of these cases is, that many of these people choose to share their misery with other innocent people by destroying or trying to them.
If they can’t get help, don’t respond to it, or simply don’t want it, it’s unfortunate that the “miserable” can’t seem to keep their misery to themselves and leave everyone else alone.[/quote]
We are social creatures who seek to find our place in the pecking order by status, dominance and getting hot babes.
Hell …we are barely civil in the forum sometimes!!!
ParticipantMoving away from pistols and toward picking up chicks, the pickup artist community is undercattack. They actually have sound advice for engaging women, which Rodger ignored. Not sure if this incident will gain more PUA advocates or negatively affect them.
Participant[quote=spdrun]^^^ Good point. Better yet, look at who supplies SpaceX. SpaceX is within a hair’s distance of testing private manned space launches. If Russia gets serious about closing Baikonur to NASA, expect an influx of gov’t funding and the acceleration of that timetable.
PS – I bet JFK is rolling over right now. He’d never have imagined that we’d be dependent on the Russians for manned space travel. Sad.[/quote]
recently read a book called DR FEELGOOD which makes the case that JFK had a pretty serious meth problem. of course it was legal back then…
Participanti feel there is something different about this situation. the number of issues it touches are enormous.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=CA renter] The most dangerous criminals like a challenge.[/quote]
Yes, but Elliot Rodgers was not a most dangerous criminals.
I’m pretty convinced Elliot Rogers would not have began the killing spree had he not been able to buy a gun. He would not even have stabbed his roommates to then continue on with the shooting spree. The series of killings were all related.
To me, gun controls is like seat belt laws or food safety. Is it worth it to mandate certain things to save a few thousand lives per year?[/quote]
the odds of persuading anyone toa different position are vanishingly. small.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Jazzman]There is still a lot of soul searching going on in America over this issue. From the outside, the focus on psychoanalysis to try and explain the problem starts to look like an excuse for it, with the unfortunate unintended consequence of deflecting attention away from the real victims. Whether you believe the solution lies in vitamins, psychoanalysis, and better parenting another disaster is waiting to happen. The NRA is credited with highjacking gun control legislation, which addresses the immediate problem of access. If there is even a grain of truth to this, then the exercise of rational prioritizing would appear to be obliquely conspicuous by its absence.[/quote]
I agree.
this guy was not a criminal who knew how to get an illegal gun. If he didn’t have access to guns he wouldn’t have planned his revenge this way. it’s pretty safe to assume this tragedy would not have happened without access to guns.[/quote]
As flu mentioned above, you seem to be missing the fact that 50% of the victims were STABBED to death.
A wannabe murderer will kill, no matter what type of weapon he has at his disposal. There are knives, bombs, poisons, cars, etc…so many ways to kill. The tools are not the problem; killers are the problem.[/quote]
the people he was able to stab were asleep in their bed. out on the street it was car and pistol.
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=spdrun]
iin his mind, he was trying, but his effortsinvolved extremely ineffective attemptsbasically just walking around and smiling at girls.
Exactly, so the rejection was mostly in his head … I’d suspect that 99% of the women didn’t even notice he was interested, and the other 1% may have thought it was a passing smile, not really to be acted on.[/quote]
This wasn’t just “the rejection was mostly in his head”. He hadn’t been rejected. I think most guys, maybe even some women here will get this analogy.
When I was in high school, I played on the basketball team. That’s a mild exaggeration, because I didn’t play. I went to practice every day, and sat on the bench during games. I wanted to play, but I knew I wasn’t anywhere near as good as the guys playing ahead of me. But there was this guy who sat next to me on the bench that was convinced that the coach hated him, and he really was as good as the guys who were playing. That he should be “entitled” to play. Rodger wasn’t like this guy. Rodger was a kid in the stands who was convinced the coach hated him, and that’s the reason he wasn’t playing, and he was angry as hell about it. Despite the fact that he’d never tried out for the team. Despite the fact that he’d never picked up a basketball.
That’s not a sense of entitlement. That’s displaced anger. And everything he wrote about women, about everyone else that he was going to “get back at” was displaced anger. It had no rational basis. That’s just bat-shit crazy.[/quote]
dont we all suffer from displaced anger?
Participant[quote=njtosd]I don’t think there is any evidence he was rejected by women. All that I’ve read indicated he didn’t engage socially with anyone. you can’t be rejected by someone you don’t talk to. He was deluded. This has nothing to do with social learning and everything to do with being crazy. As a friend used to say of people that removed from reality – “40,000 years of therapy wouldn’t fix him/her.”. And I think that’s the case here. So what do you do with these people?[/quote]
you get more and more deluded by repeated failures. more and more isolated, more and more lonely. i don’t beleive there waas nothing that could have fixed him. that runs contrary to the message in the new Xmen movie. there is hope. as we learn in the movie, we need to face our own fears, get out of our own heads, and communicate. it really is a good movie for him. i wish his dad couldve taken him to it and hung out with him for 3 hours discussing it…
Participant[quote=spdrun]By the accounts I read, he didn’t even try to socialize, but was rather actively anti-social. I wonder if the rejection was all in his head, and if he didn’t ever even try to get a date.[/quote]
in his mind, he was trying, but his effortsinvolved extremely ineffective attemptsbasically just walking around and smiling at girls. h e tried to pump himself up, try to beleive that at least being outside and being near women would icnrease the odds of something happening. but it was hopeless ina real sense, because he rarely actaully talked to anyone. however, he was doing about as much as he could.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]hard to believe the guy felt rejected.
He was goodlooking (better than average for sure), from a good family and had everything.
I wish I had a BMW in college. My life would have been more fun.[/quote]
why would a BMW help you have more fun?
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