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RottedOak looks down his nose as he describes the inability of the masses to have detailed knowledge of “constitutional and statute law”. Since he is so well steeped in these fields, perhaps he can enlighten all of us serfs by providing us with the specific law that grants the power for the federal government to charge a direct, unapportioned tax on the labor and wages of the American people. Just show me the law, RottedOak, and we serfs will go away.

Others use terms like kook to describe people who question and challenge the government and laws that we live under. Rather than do their own due diligence, they take the easier, more politically-correct route and resort to name calling.

If they had done their due diligence, they would know that the 16th Amendment was hastily ratified in December of 1913 at a time when most of the US Congressmen were at home spending the Christmas holiday with their families. They will also know that there were no fewer than 8 Supreme Court cases from 1916 to 1923 that came to the conclusion that the 16th Amendment did not grant the government with the right for ANY NEW TAXES. I.e., the taxation laws were as they always have been since the formation of the Constitution: the government has the right to tax corporate gains and profits, but it does not have the right to tax the labor and wages of the American people.

For those who are bathing in the IRS Koolaid, a person’s labor was originally considered their own private property. A person performs a service for someone and in turn gets a wage for it. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. The government does not have the right to tax it. Corporate gains and profits, on the other hand, are fair game.

To RottedOak and others blinded by years of IRS dogma, please do not label and denigrate those who question the status quo as “kooks” who have “silly” arguments. These people can, sometimes, be the very people who are on your side; yet you don’t even know it…at least not yet. Again, I ask, just show us the specific law and we will go away.

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RottedOak looks down his nose as he describes the inability of the masses to have detailed knowledge of “constitutional and statute law”. Since he is so well steeped in these fields, perhaps he can enlighten all of us serfs by providing us with the specific law that grants the power for the federal government to charge a direct, unapportioned tax on the labor and wages of the American people. Just show me the law, RottedOak, and we serfs will go away.

Others use terms like kook to describe people who question and challenge the government and laws that we live under. Rather than do their own due diligence, they take the easier, more politically-correct route and resort to name calling.

If they had done their due diligence, they would know that the 16th Amendment was hastily ratified in December of 1913 at a time when most of the US Congressmen were at home spending the Christmas holiday with their families. They will also know that there were no fewer than 8 Supreme Court cases from 1916 to 1923 that came to the conclusion that the 16th Amendment did not grant the government with the right for ANY NEW TAXES. I.e., the taxation laws were as they always have been since the formation of the Constitution: the government has the right to tax corporate gains and profits, but it does not have the right to tax the labor and wages of the American people.

For those who are bathing in the IRS Koolaid, a person’s labor was originally considered their own private property. A person performs a service for someone and in turn gets a wage for it. THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. The government does not have the right to tax it. Corporate gains and profits, on the other hand, are fair game.

To RottedOak and others blinded by years of IRS dogma, please do not label and denigrate those who question the status quo as “kooks” who have “silly” arguments. These people can, sometimes, be the very people who are on your side; yet you don’t even know it…at least not yet. Again, I ask, just show us the specific law and we will go away.

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… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man,
the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions – everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:
bread and circuses
(Juvenal, Satire 10.77-81)

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… Already long ago, from when we sold our vote to no man,
the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions – everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things:
bread and circuses
(Juvenal, Satire 10.77-81)

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I think Rich made the right call. Let the “free market” blog police itself. You have every right to voice your opinion on something, but if you don’t like a particular thread or post, don’t read it! How’s that for a novel solution!

If you have something more interesting to post, by all means please do so. Otherwise, take the 12.57 seconds needed to scroll through a thread and determine if it is worthy of your time. If it is not, move on! Why do you need to create more rules and restrictions for everyone else simply because you are too lazy to move on to a new thread or too incompetent to start a new one on your own?

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I think Rich made the right call. Let the “free market” blog police itself. You have every right to voice your opinion on something, but if you don’t like a particular thread or post, don’t read it! How’s that for a novel solution!

If you have something more interesting to post, by all means please do so. Otherwise, take the 12.57 seconds needed to scroll through a thread and determine if it is worthy of your time. If it is not, move on! Why do you need to create more rules and restrictions for everyone else simply because you are too lazy to move on to a new thread or too incompetent to start a new one on your own?

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FLU –

You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn’t that like the stove calling the kettle black?

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FLU –

You presented your latest post of this thread with the implied ethos that you are the opposite of your lazy, fat fvck ex-coworker. But, and forgive me for asking this, how did you know so much detail about how he spent his work days while you were supposed to be hard at work yourself? Isn’t that like the stove calling the kettle black?

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Michael Moore is nothing more than a hypocritical gravytrainer. He plays the role of Robin Hood while he is getting richer and fatter on the backs of the very people he is supposed to be fighting for. Sounds an awful lot like socialism to me.

Here’s a question you won’t hear a lot, certainly not from politicians. Where does it say that I should be FORCED (taxed) to pay for the health of you and your family? If I am smarter, more talented, run faster, jump higher, work harder, or generally make more money than you, why should I be FORCED to pay more to cover you and your family’s problems? Don’t you think that me and my family have enough problems as it is? I certainly don’t want to see people suffer from the pitfalls of life, but at the same time I don’t want to be FORCED to provide for their misfortunes.

There is such a thing as altruism and generosity and it can produce phenomenal results instead. Nay Sayers to this philosophy will cry, “But we shouldn’t have to depend on people’s choices…they may not be as generous as we give them credit for and many will continue to suffer as a result.”

A primary counter to the aforementioned outcry from the left is that humans, in general, tend to live on the path of least resistance. Sure, there are those that will try to excel at all costs. However, for the majority of the population, if there is an easier way to make it through life without having to work hard, study more, run extra sprints, etc., they will not only do it, they will seek it out. Universal healthcare, and socialism in general, is just the ticket for these types – in fact it actually encourages these types of people. Why accelerate when you can just hit cruise control? You’re gonna be taken care of either way. Heck, you actually have a DISINCENTIVE to try harder and excel – the better you do, the more you get penalized in the form of higher taxes and fees. Oh, and another thing, are you so naïve to think that illegal immigrants don’t know about the loopholes in our healthcare system? Think again. Just ask anyone who works in the maternity wards of any San Diego hospital and they’ll tell you that they get a ton, A TON, of non-english speaking patrons who just so happen to stroll across the border prior to giving birth. The resultant anchor baby is brought into this world with high-level medical services provided courtesy of all of us who gripe about our astronomical health insurance premiums every month. Don’t be a racist! They’re only here to find a better life, right?

Personally, I feel that important things like healthcare and education should have a minimal level of service that is provided by our society to all LEGAL immigrants. Basic exams, shots, surgeries, procedures, etc. should be provided at no or minimal cost to all American citizens. All other non-standard services would be paid for by the beneficiary of those services. If they cannot pay for these services themselves, they either find some donors or they do not receive these services. We should not, as a society, be FORCED to cover the cost of these services. Same thing goes for education. Each LEGAL citizen, in my opinion, should have the right to a 12 year education that covers the standard topics in preparation for post-secondary education (college) or entrance into the workforce. Any services provided beyond this (private schooling, tutoring, etc.) should be paid for by the beneficiary of those services.

Additional leeway can and should be granted for those born with physical or mental abnormalities. However, I don’t feel that leeway should be granted for those who are lazy, have made poor decisions in their lives, or use things like race or socio-economic status as an excuse for not getting where they want to be in life.

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Michael Moore is nothing more than a hypocritical gravytrainer. He plays the role of Robin Hood while he is getting richer and fatter on the backs of the very people he is supposed to be fighting for. Sounds an awful lot like socialism to me.

Here’s a question you won’t hear a lot, certainly not from politicians. Where does it say that I should be FORCED (taxed) to pay for the health of you and your family? If I am smarter, more talented, run faster, jump higher, work harder, or generally make more money than you, why should I be FORCED to pay more to cover you and your family’s problems? Don’t you think that me and my family have enough problems as it is? I certainly don’t want to see people suffer from the pitfalls of life, but at the same time I don’t want to be FORCED to provide for their misfortunes.

There is such a thing as altruism and generosity and it can produce phenomenal results instead. Nay Sayers to this philosophy will cry, “But we shouldn’t have to depend on people’s choices…they may not be as generous as we give them credit for and many will continue to suffer as a result.”

A primary counter to the aforementioned outcry from the left is that humans, in general, tend to live on the path of least resistance. Sure, there are those that will try to excel at all costs. However, for the majority of the population, if there is an easier way to make it through life without having to work hard, study more, run extra sprints, etc., they will not only do it, they will seek it out. Universal healthcare, and socialism in general, is just the ticket for these types – in fact it actually encourages these types of people. Why accelerate when you can just hit cruise control? You’re gonna be taken care of either way. Heck, you actually have a DISINCENTIVE to try harder and excel – the better you do, the more you get penalized in the form of higher taxes and fees. Oh, and another thing, are you so naïve to think that illegal immigrants don’t know about the loopholes in our healthcare system? Think again. Just ask anyone who works in the maternity wards of any San Diego hospital and they’ll tell you that they get a ton, A TON, of non-english speaking patrons who just so happen to stroll across the border prior to giving birth. The resultant anchor baby is brought into this world with high-level medical services provided courtesy of all of us who gripe about our astronomical health insurance premiums every month. Don’t be a racist! They’re only here to find a better life, right?

Personally, I feel that important things like healthcare and education should have a minimal level of service that is provided by our society to all LEGAL immigrants. Basic exams, shots, surgeries, procedures, etc. should be provided at no or minimal cost to all American citizens. All other non-standard services would be paid for by the beneficiary of those services. If they cannot pay for these services themselves, they either find some donors or they do not receive these services. We should not, as a society, be FORCED to cover the cost of these services. Same thing goes for education. Each LEGAL citizen, in my opinion, should have the right to a 12 year education that covers the standard topics in preparation for post-secondary education (college) or entrance into the workforce. Any services provided beyond this (private schooling, tutoring, etc.) should be paid for by the beneficiary of those services.

Additional leeway can and should be granted for those born with physical or mental abnormalities. However, I don’t feel that leeway should be granted for those who are lazy, have made poor decisions in their lives, or use things like race or socio-economic status as an excuse for not getting where they want to be in life.

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sdrealtor Hatfield,

Thanks for the comprehensive insight into one of your areas of expertise. It is comforting to know that, in such dire times for professionals like ourselves, we can all stick together like family and help one another out.

Sincerely,

SD Realtor McCoy

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sdrealtor Hatfield,

Thanks for the comprehensive insight into one of your areas of expertise. It is comforting to know that, in such dire times for professionals like ourselves, we can all stick together like family and help one another out.

Sincerely,

SD Realtor McCoy

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Any discerning reader worth her salt will read this article and get the general impression that the housing market, and the economy in general, is like a heaping spade full of cow dung about to be shoveled into a roaring fan that is pointed in the direction the shoveler.

What I find astonishing is the fact that a Bloomberg-level reporter is still allowed to report the National Association or Realtor’s (NAR’s) figures on home prices without factoring a little thing called INFLATION!!!

I am a newbie when it comes to this stuff; yet even I know enough to at least point out the effects of inflation. I would do this in a fashion that is analogous to every Tom-and-Jane newspaper article on housing that gives the definition of the median price in an effort to keep the attention of all the new middle school-level readers that are looking for a reason to drop their newspaper and see if Paris Hilton’s boobs jiggle as she is escorted into jail (again).

Is Bloomberg hiring? I think they can do a lot better than this.

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Any discerning reader worth her salt will read this article and get the general impression that the housing market, and the economy in general, is like a heaping spade full of cow dung about to be shoveled into a roaring fan that is pointed in the direction the shoveler.

What I find astonishing is the fact that a Bloomberg-level reporter is still allowed to report the National Association or Realtor’s (NAR’s) figures on home prices without factoring a little thing called INFLATION!!!

I am a newbie when it comes to this stuff; yet even I know enough to at least point out the effects of inflation. I would do this in a fashion that is analogous to every Tom-and-Jane newspaper article on housing that gives the definition of the median price in an effort to keep the attention of all the new middle school-level readers that are looking for a reason to drop their newspaper and see if Paris Hilton’s boobs jiggle as she is escorted into jail (again).

Is Bloomberg hiring? I think they can do a lot better than this.

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Thanks for shedding light on the problem. What are the potential work around(s), if any?

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