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[quote=Eugene]http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

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There’s one thing I don’t understand about this conspiracy theory. Do these guys believe that Ann Dunham wasn’t his mother? If they don’t, where was Barack Obama born, in their opinion? Is there evidence that his mother got a passport (let alone plane tickets) that allowed her to travel outside the U.S.? Recall that she was 18 at the time. And even if she were stupid enough to go on an extended vacation abreod during the third trimester, bringing a newborn baby into the country had to involve jumping through legal hoops, like registering his birth at the local consulate. Is there any evidence that any of that happened?[/quote]

the theory is that his mother was a minor so she can’t convey citizenship
only an adult can do that, so if he was born overseas, he’s an illegal alien.

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I’ve known prospective buyers, they make friends with the crew and
the supervisor, stopping by at quitting time with a couple of beers
is a good way to make friends, plus helping out with things like
cleaning up the site, sweeping up, makes the crew feel like they
are a team with you. Then just show up with some custom
materials and ask if they’d mind installing them.

Undercounter lights, better tile, etc, etc, etc….

they have no loyalty to the builder.

[patb]

I’ve known prospective buyers, they make friends with the crew and
the supervisor, stopping by at quitting time with a couple of beers
is a good way to make friends, plus helping out with things like
cleaning up the site, sweeping up, makes the crew feel like they
are a team with you. Then just show up with some custom
materials and ask if they’d mind installing them.

Undercounter lights, better tile, etc, etc, etc….

they have no loyalty to the builder.

[patb]

I’ve known prospective buyers, they make friends with the crew and
the supervisor, stopping by at quitting time with a couple of beers
is a good way to make friends, plus helping out with things like
cleaning up the site, sweeping up, makes the crew feel like they
are a team with you. Then just show up with some custom
materials and ask if they’d mind installing them.

Undercounter lights, better tile, etc, etc, etc….

they have no loyalty to the builder.

[patb]

I’ve known prospective buyers, they make friends with the crew and
the supervisor, stopping by at quitting time with a couple of beers
is a good way to make friends, plus helping out with things like
cleaning up the site, sweeping up, makes the crew feel like they
are a team with you. Then just show up with some custom
materials and ask if they’d mind installing them.

Undercounter lights, better tile, etc, etc, etc….

they have no loyalty to the builder.

[patb]

I’ve known prospective buyers, they make friends with the crew and
the supervisor, stopping by at quitting time with a couple of beers
is a good way to make friends, plus helping out with things like
cleaning up the site, sweeping up, makes the crew feel like they
are a team with you. Then just show up with some custom
materials and ask if they’d mind installing them.

Undercounter lights, better tile, etc, etc, etc….

they have no loyalty to the builder.

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[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]
they also have bill collectors.

60% of all bankruptcies in america are related to medical bills.

They have to treat you only to the level of stability and only if you are in a hall-burton act hospital. Private hospitals don’t have to take you.

[patb]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]
they also have bill collectors.

60% of all bankruptcies in america are related to medical bills.

They have to treat you only to the level of stability and only if you are in a hall-burton act hospital. Private hospitals don’t have to take you.

[patb]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]
they also have bill collectors.

60% of all bankruptcies in america are related to medical bills.

They have to treat you only to the level of stability and only if you are in a hall-burton act hospital. Private hospitals don’t have to take you.

[patb]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]
they also have bill collectors.

60% of all bankruptcies in america are related to medical bills.

They have to treat you only to the level of stability and only if you are in a hall-burton act hospital. Private hospitals don’t have to take you.

[patb]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]
they also have bill collectors.

60% of all bankruptcies in america are related to medical bills.

They have to treat you only to the level of stability and only if you are in a hall-burton act hospital. Private hospitals don’t have to take you.

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[quote=Casca][quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

[/quote]

even if this were true, so what?

Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.

As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]

That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.

Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]

BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.

Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]

In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.

Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.[/quote]

So your legal theory is that teenagers can’t parent citizens?

And adoption invalidates citizenship?

So are you personally litigating?

Are you contributing to the fund?

[patb]

[quote=Casca][quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

[/quote]

even if this were true, so what?

Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.

As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]

That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.

Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]

BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.

Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]

In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.

Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.[/quote]

So your legal theory is that teenagers can’t parent citizens?

And adoption invalidates citizenship?

So are you personally litigating?

Are you contributing to the fund?

[patb]

[quote=Casca][quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

[/quote]

even if this were true, so what?

Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.

As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]

That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.

Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]

BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.

Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]

In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.

Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.[/quote]

So your legal theory is that teenagers can’t parent citizens?

And adoption invalidates citizenship?

So are you personally litigating?

Are you contributing to the fund?

[patb]

[quote=Casca][quote=patb][quote=partypup][quote=patb][quote=Casca]

Obama’s Kenyan relatives claim he was born in Kenya, and that his mother flew home weeks after his birth, and obtained his certificate of live birth in Hawaii.

[/quote]

even if this were true, so what?

Obama’s US Citizenship comes via the Blood of his mother.

As a legal citizen, he is entitled to serve as president.[/quote]

That’s incorrect. Do some research on the archived threads. The issue is much more complicated because of laws in existence at the time (1961) governing the determination of naturalized citizens.

Short answer: having a natural born mother isn’t sufficient if you were born on foreign soil in 1961. It may be a silly law, but someone needs to come clean and address it. Perhaps now that the Dems control Congress Obama can amend the Constitution – while he’s going through the trouble of dismantling our capitalist foundations. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Then Schwarzenegger can be president. Yippee!!![/quote]

BalderDash, HorseFeathers and Flivets.

Having a US Citizen as your parent transfers citizenship by birth, it’s
how all those war brides and such over in Germany, Japan, Korea
were being brought to the US. They’d hook up with some GI,
have a kid or two and come to the US as married dependents with the kids as US Citizens.[/quote]

In 1961 the age of adulthood was 21, not 18. BO has never produced a birth certificate. At the age of ten, Barry Sotoero AKA Barack Obama was adopted by his mother’s Indonesian husband, and became an Indonesian citizen. These are facts.

Then again, facts matter little to the terminally stupid. Pat, you, gromit, and pri_dk should get together and form a club. Allen could babysit you.[/quote]

So your legal theory is that teenagers can’t parent citizens?

And adoption invalidates citizenship?

So are you personally litigating?

Are you contributing to the fund?

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