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Anecdote is all I got. Do you have better data from independent sources?

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Here’s the most comprehensive comparison of several first world healthcare systems I could find online.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf

You’ll note some surprising findings. One is that we lead the countries in most categories of medical errors, and our doctors provide in general the least amount of information to patients on their treatments and potential side effects thereof.

We are also on top of the list for patients who missed treatments or didn’t buy presciptions due to cost related issues.

Our cost per capita for healthcare is just about double all the other countries compared ($6102 per person per year, vs. $2k-3k per person per year – highest surveyed other than us was $3165).

The only country where it was more difficult to get in to see a doctor either same or next day was Canada (47% same or next day in the US – 36% in Canada, 81% in NZ, 69% in Germany, 66% in Australia, and 51% in the UK). 23% reported taking 6 days or longer to see a doctor (again, 2nd only to Canada). We were the worst at being able to see a doctor on nights, weekends, and holidays without having to go to an ER.

One of the few measurements which we did well in was in relatively fast access to specialists for sicker adults (2nd, Germany was best) and access for elective (non urgent) surgeries (2nd again to Germany).

6% of Germans had to go to the ER for a condition which could have been treated by a normal office visit. 26% of Americans did (the European nations averaged around 12%).

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[an]

SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.

[an]

SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.

[an]

SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.

[an]

SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.

[an]

SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.

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[quote=AN]SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.[/quote]

Very true observation that we’re stuck in the 20th century where most other countries have moved into the 21st as regards medical care, and no doubt bringing us into the 21st century would help some in both improving quality of care and controlling costs.

However, the study does make one thing crystal clear – a socialized healthcare system will not by its very nature destroy the quality of healthcare in the U.S., despite what the private insurance companies (profits up nearly 500% over the past 10 years, as mergers and aquisitions have reduced the number of major players to less than 10 major insurors) are claiming in the mass media. Clearly, socialized medicine is capable of working, and working at a quality level at least as good as what our completly privatized system does today – and at a substantial savings.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=AN]SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.[/quote]

Very true observation that we’re stuck in the 20th century where most other countries have moved into the 21st as regards medical care, and no doubt bringing us into the 21st century would help some in both improving quality of care and controlling costs.

However, the study does make one thing crystal clear – a socialized healthcare system will not by its very nature destroy the quality of healthcare in the U.S., despite what the private insurance companies (profits up nearly 500% over the past 10 years, as mergers and aquisitions have reduced the number of major players to less than 10 major insurors) are claiming in the mass media. Clearly, socialized medicine is capable of working, and working at a quality level at least as good as what our completly privatized system does today – and at a substantial savings.

[SDEngineer]

[quote=AN]SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.[/quote]

Very true observation that we’re stuck in the 20th century where most other countries have moved into the 21st as regards medical care, and no doubt bringing us into the 21st century would help some in both improving quality of care and controlling costs.

However, the study does make one thing crystal clear – a socialized healthcare system will not by its very nature destroy the quality of healthcare in the U.S., despite what the private insurance companies (profits up nearly 500% over the past 10 years, as mergers and aquisitions have reduced the number of major players to less than 10 major insurors) are claiming in the mass media. Clearly, socialized medicine is capable of working, and working at a quality level at least as good as what our completly privatized system does today – and at a substantial savings.

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[quote=AN]SDEngineer, very informative study. Thanks for the link. The biggest thing that stands out to me is, we’re in desperate need to modernizing our health care system. A lot of these errors that’s being reported can be fixed if everything is computerized. A lot of the result are pretty similar between countries. We’re doing something right and some things are lacking. I agree we’re not perfect.[/quote]

Very true observation that we’re stuck in the 20th century where most other countries have moved into the 21st as regards medical care, and no doubt bringing us into the 21st century would help some in both improving quality of care and controlling costs.

However, the study does make one thing crystal clear – a socialized healthcare system will not by its very nature destroy the quality of healthcare in the U.S., despite what the private insurance companies (profits up nearly 500% over the past 10 years, as mergers and aquisitions have reduced the number of major players to less than 10 major insurors) are claiming in the mass media. Clearly, socialized medicine is capable of working, and working at a quality level at least as good as what our completly privatized system does today – and at a substantial savings.

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