ObamaCare…coming soon

[an]

SDEngineer, I’m not comparing it against Canadian system. I’m just stating what the Canadian system is like from people who actually uses it. I can’t tell you what ObamaCare would be like until it happens.

CA renter, I totally agree that you can’t implement ObamaCare when you have open boarder. Stories like that happening here in the US would result in law suit and doctors losing their licenses. Of course there are different level of care, even in the US. That’s why I specifically mentioned Kaiser. I heard many horror stories from them too. I’ve seen first hand experience how Kaiser treats their patients vs other Hospitals, like Scripps and Sharps. You do get what you paid for, with regards to comparing private hospital vs private hospital. Why do you think health insurance is more expensive if you wan the option to go to Scripps network?

What is it about the Austrian health care system that make it FAR superior to ours? Please explain.

[an]

[quote=DWCAP]
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Although your example is similar, the time frame is quite different. In order for cancer to spread throughout your body, it would take at least a few months. While, sepsis, seems to have a fairly quick spread rate. I agree though, that malpractice happens everywhere. As I said in my previous post, different hospital have different level of care. Kaiser vs Scripps/Sharp for example is huge difference.

The question is, does other countries have the same law suit friendly environment as they do there? That alone would increase health care cost considerably.

[an]

[quote=DWCAP]
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Although your example is similar, the time frame is quite different. In order for cancer to spread throughout your body, it would take at least a few months. While, sepsis, seems to have a fairly quick spread rate. I agree though, that malpractice happens everywhere. As I said in my previous post, different hospital have different level of care. Kaiser vs Scripps/Sharp for example is huge difference.

The question is, does other countries have the same law suit friendly environment as they do there? That alone would increase health care cost considerably.

[an]

[quote=DWCAP]
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Although your example is similar, the time frame is quite different. In order for cancer to spread throughout your body, it would take at least a few months. While, sepsis, seems to have a fairly quick spread rate. I agree though, that malpractice happens everywhere. As I said in my previous post, different hospital have different level of care. Kaiser vs Scripps/Sharp for example is huge difference.

The question is, does other countries have the same law suit friendly environment as they do there? That alone would increase health care cost considerably.

[an]

[quote=DWCAP]
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Although your example is similar, the time frame is quite different. In order for cancer to spread throughout your body, it would take at least a few months. While, sepsis, seems to have a fairly quick spread rate. I agree though, that malpractice happens everywhere. As I said in my previous post, different hospital have different level of care. Kaiser vs Scripps/Sharp for example is huge difference.

The question is, does other countries have the same law suit friendly environment as they do there? That alone would increase health care cost considerably.

[an]

[quote=DWCAP]
My point was that as usual, the truth is somewhere between the extreams of Obama’s promises of universal great health care (for free to the average american to boot!), and the predictions of doom for all.[/quote]
I totally agree with this. The truth is somewhere in the middle. Although your example is similar, the time frame is quite different. In order for cancer to spread throughout your body, it would take at least a few months. While, sepsis, seems to have a fairly quick spread rate. I agree though, that malpractice happens everywhere. As I said in my previous post, different hospital have different level of care. Kaiser vs Scripps/Sharp for example is huge difference.

The question is, does other countries have the same law suit friendly environment as they do there? That alone would increase health care cost considerably.

[air_ogi]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]

Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.

If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.

Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.

And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.

[air_ogi]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]

Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.

If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.

Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.

And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.

[air_ogi]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]

Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.

If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.

Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.

And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.

[air_ogi]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]

Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.

If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.

Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.

And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.

[air_ogi]

[quote=AN]I rather get a large bill than die or get my legs chopped off.

4-6 hours wait if there is trauma patient. They take precedent. I went to urgent care in Torrey Pine a few months ago and no one was there. I was the only patient, so I went in immediately. Although, it was ~11PM.

If you don’t have insurance, Hospital can’t turn you away. They have to treat you. If you tell them, they’ll work with you. They have an uninsured fund.[/quote]

Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.

If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.

Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.

And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.

[an]

[quote=air_ogi]
Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.[/quote]
Limited hours is not the same as taking the weekend off. How many urgent care do you know that have the weekend off?

[quote=air_ogi]If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.[/quote]
Yes, that sucks and ineffective. We must fix this issue. Right now, there are a lot less doctors who want to be primary care physicians, since they don’t get paid very much. So everybody specialized. How about allow NP & MA to offload some of those stress?

[quote=air_ogi]Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.[/quote]
Anecdote is all I got. Do you have better data from independent sources?

[quote=air_ogi]
And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.[/quote]
How many American think our system is better than Canadians? How many Republicans think their ideal is better than Democrats’? How many Democrats think their ideal is better than Republicans’? How many American comes to Canada to get treated vs how many Canadian comes to America to get treated?

[an]

[quote=air_ogi]
Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.[/quote]
Limited hours is not the same as taking the weekend off. How many urgent care do you know that have the weekend off?

[quote=air_ogi]If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.[/quote]
Yes, that sucks and ineffective. We must fix this issue. Right now, there are a lot less doctors who want to be primary care physicians, since they don’t get paid very much. So everybody specialized. How about allow NP & MA to offload some of those stress?

[quote=air_ogi]Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.[/quote]
Anecdote is all I got. Do you have better data from independent sources?

[quote=air_ogi]
And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.[/quote]
How many American think our system is better than Canadians? How many Republicans think their ideal is better than Democrats’? How many Democrats think their ideal is better than Republicans’? How many American comes to Canada to get treated vs how many Canadian comes to America to get treated?

[an]

[quote=air_ogi]
Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.[/quote]
Limited hours is not the same as taking the weekend off. How many urgent care do you know that have the weekend off?

[quote=air_ogi]If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.[/quote]
Yes, that sucks and ineffective. We must fix this issue. Right now, there are a lot less doctors who want to be primary care physicians, since they don’t get paid very much. So everybody specialized. How about allow NP & MA to offload some of those stress?

[quote=air_ogi]Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.[/quote]
Anecdote is all I got. Do you have better data from independent sources?

[quote=air_ogi]
And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.[/quote]
How many American think our system is better than Canadians? How many Republicans think their ideal is better than Democrats’? How many Democrats think their ideal is better than Republicans’? How many American comes to Canada to get treated vs how many Canadian comes to America to get treated?

[an]

[quote=air_ogi]
Most of urgent care facilities have limited hours, just like one in Canada.[/quote]
Limited hours is not the same as taking the weekend off. How many urgent care do you know that have the weekend off?

[quote=air_ogi]If hospital treats me and I don’t pay, other patients will pick up my tab. That is pretty much completely ineffective socialized medicine.[/quote]
Yes, that sucks and ineffective. We must fix this issue. Right now, there are a lot less doctors who want to be primary care physicians, since they don’t get paid very much. So everybody specialized. How about allow NP & MA to offload some of those stress?

[quote=air_ogi]Other than your anecdote, there is very little evidence that US hospitals treat patients better than equivalent ones in Canada.[/quote]
Anecdote is all I got. Do you have better data from independent sources?

[quote=air_ogi]
And finally, 82 per cent of Canadians believe their system is superior to US.[/quote]
How many American think our system is better than Canadians? How many Republicans think their ideal is better than Democrats’? How many Democrats think their ideal is better than Republicans’? How many American comes to Canada to get treated vs how many Canadian comes to America to get treated?

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