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February 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM in reply to: Mortgage broker predicts further collapse in housing #508706February 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM in reply to: Mortgage broker predicts further collapse in housing #508855partypupParticipant
Arraya, great find. And you know how I feel. Unless you plan to lay down roots somewhere for 10+ years, it’s beyond folly to even consider buying now. We have been happily renting for the past 3 years and are currently negotiating a rental a little further up the coast to a larger house that is currently valued at $1.4 million – and was valued at $5.06 million in 2006. We’re paying the owner $1,000 less than the tenant who just moved out. Unemployment – the key driver in all of this – is going nowhere but up.
This epic fall has only just begun.
February 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM in reply to: Mortgage broker predicts further collapse in housing #509266partypupParticipantArraya, great find. And you know how I feel. Unless you plan to lay down roots somewhere for 10+ years, it’s beyond folly to even consider buying now. We have been happily renting for the past 3 years and are currently negotiating a rental a little further up the coast to a larger house that is currently valued at $1.4 million – and was valued at $5.06 million in 2006. We’re paying the owner $1,000 less than the tenant who just moved out. Unemployment – the key driver in all of this – is going nowhere but up.
This epic fall has only just begun.
February 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM in reply to: Mortgage broker predicts further collapse in housing #509360partypupParticipantArraya, great find. And you know how I feel. Unless you plan to lay down roots somewhere for 10+ years, it’s beyond folly to even consider buying now. We have been happily renting for the past 3 years and are currently negotiating a rental a little further up the coast to a larger house that is currently valued at $1.4 million – and was valued at $5.06 million in 2006. We’re paying the owner $1,000 less than the tenant who just moved out. Unemployment – the key driver in all of this – is going nowhere but up.
This epic fall has only just begun.
February 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM in reply to: Mortgage broker predicts further collapse in housing #509613partypupParticipantArraya, great find. And you know how I feel. Unless you plan to lay down roots somewhere for 10+ years, it’s beyond folly to even consider buying now. We have been happily renting for the past 3 years and are currently negotiating a rental a little further up the coast to a larger house that is currently valued at $1.4 million – and was valued at $5.06 million in 2006. We’re paying the owner $1,000 less than the tenant who just moved out. Unemployment – the key driver in all of this – is going nowhere but up.
This epic fall has only just begun.
partypupParticipant[quote=Arraya]Changed dramatically to what? Good lord, the press is pumping this up as much as Michael Jackson dying and it means about as much.
Yeah, the system is working people as said by fox news. hahaha
You know what does mean something, this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
“By a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that corporations may spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, overturning a 20-year-old decision that barred such contributions.”
Which makes elections even more irrelevant.
Politicians are the entertainment arm of the financial-corporate-CIA-military-industrial complex.
Yeah, have fun with your delusions that the system functions as intended.
Speaking of Ron Paul
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
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[quote]US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA[/quote][/quote]
A, I saw that Court decision today. As I said earlier, the current political system is so corrupt and bastardized that not even an honest-minded pubic servant could ever effect any real change. This is why our only hope is a radical and revolutionary overhaul that will require Americans to reject the two dominant parties en masse.
I by no means see this election as proof that the current system is working so much as I see it as proof that people can get the attention of those in power by surprising them with their actions. That is the dramatic change that has just occurred. The next step will be to bring people to the awareness that instead of kicking a Democrat out in favor of a Republican, they should be kicking BOTH out of office. Baby steps, my friend. You can’t expect a delirious horse that has been wandering around in a desert to suddenly gallop towards water, even when you lead him to it. But eventually, he will find the water.
I’m not an optimist, but I have not fallen so far down the well of cynicism that I have given up all hope that a broken system can ever be replaced (not repaired – we are now beyond the point of repair). As the social contract continues to break down and this country continues its spiral into a slow-motion economic collapse, we will all be dragged kicking and screaming towards true and fundamental change. The GOP and Fox news may mistakenly see the MA election as a rallying cry for their cause and proof that the system in its current form *works*, but come 2012 – when it becomes clear that the pendulum swing in the opposite direction hasn’t done jack for those on Main Street – the GOP will find themselves at the wrong end of the public’s bayonette. The pendulum swings are getting shorter, sharper and faster – and very soon folks will wake up – between pendulum swings – and realize that they need to break this cycle.
The time is right for something truly revolutionary to occur in this country. And I think we will begin to see it in a few years.
And I do agree with Paul. We need to take out the CIA.
partypupParticipant[quote=Arraya]Changed dramatically to what? Good lord, the press is pumping this up as much as Michael Jackson dying and it means about as much.
Yeah, the system is working people as said by fox news. hahaha
You know what does mean something, this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
“By a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that corporations may spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, overturning a 20-year-old decision that barred such contributions.”
Which makes elections even more irrelevant.
Politicians are the entertainment arm of the financial-corporate-CIA-military-industrial complex.
Yeah, have fun with your delusions that the system functions as intended.
Speaking of Ron Paul
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
Quote
[quote]US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA[/quote][/quote]
A, I saw that Court decision today. As I said earlier, the current political system is so corrupt and bastardized that not even an honest-minded pubic servant could ever effect any real change. This is why our only hope is a radical and revolutionary overhaul that will require Americans to reject the two dominant parties en masse.
I by no means see this election as proof that the current system is working so much as I see it as proof that people can get the attention of those in power by surprising them with their actions. That is the dramatic change that has just occurred. The next step will be to bring people to the awareness that instead of kicking a Democrat out in favor of a Republican, they should be kicking BOTH out of office. Baby steps, my friend. You can’t expect a delirious horse that has been wandering around in a desert to suddenly gallop towards water, even when you lead him to it. But eventually, he will find the water.
I’m not an optimist, but I have not fallen so far down the well of cynicism that I have given up all hope that a broken system can ever be replaced (not repaired – we are now beyond the point of repair). As the social contract continues to break down and this country continues its spiral into a slow-motion economic collapse, we will all be dragged kicking and screaming towards true and fundamental change. The GOP and Fox news may mistakenly see the MA election as a rallying cry for their cause and proof that the system in its current form *works*, but come 2012 – when it becomes clear that the pendulum swing in the opposite direction hasn’t done jack for those on Main Street – the GOP will find themselves at the wrong end of the public’s bayonette. The pendulum swings are getting shorter, sharper and faster – and very soon folks will wake up – between pendulum swings – and realize that they need to break this cycle.
The time is right for something truly revolutionary to occur in this country. And I think we will begin to see it in a few years.
And I do agree with Paul. We need to take out the CIA.
partypupParticipant[quote=Arraya]Changed dramatically to what? Good lord, the press is pumping this up as much as Michael Jackson dying and it means about as much.
Yeah, the system is working people as said by fox news. hahaha
You know what does mean something, this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
“By a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that corporations may spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, overturning a 20-year-old decision that barred such contributions.”
Which makes elections even more irrelevant.
Politicians are the entertainment arm of the financial-corporate-CIA-military-industrial complex.
Yeah, have fun with your delusions that the system functions as intended.
Speaking of Ron Paul
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
Quote
[quote]US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA[/quote][/quote]
A, I saw that Court decision today. As I said earlier, the current political system is so corrupt and bastardized that not even an honest-minded pubic servant could ever effect any real change. This is why our only hope is a radical and revolutionary overhaul that will require Americans to reject the two dominant parties en masse.
I by no means see this election as proof that the current system is working so much as I see it as proof that people can get the attention of those in power by surprising them with their actions. That is the dramatic change that has just occurred. The next step will be to bring people to the awareness that instead of kicking a Democrat out in favor of a Republican, they should be kicking BOTH out of office. Baby steps, my friend. You can’t expect a delirious horse that has been wandering around in a desert to suddenly gallop towards water, even when you lead him to it. But eventually, he will find the water.
I’m not an optimist, but I have not fallen so far down the well of cynicism that I have given up all hope that a broken system can ever be replaced (not repaired – we are now beyond the point of repair). As the social contract continues to break down and this country continues its spiral into a slow-motion economic collapse, we will all be dragged kicking and screaming towards true and fundamental change. The GOP and Fox news may mistakenly see the MA election as a rallying cry for their cause and proof that the system in its current form *works*, but come 2012 – when it becomes clear that the pendulum swing in the opposite direction hasn’t done jack for those on Main Street – the GOP will find themselves at the wrong end of the public’s bayonette. The pendulum swings are getting shorter, sharper and faster – and very soon folks will wake up – between pendulum swings – and realize that they need to break this cycle.
The time is right for something truly revolutionary to occur in this country. And I think we will begin to see it in a few years.
And I do agree with Paul. We need to take out the CIA.
partypupParticipant[quote=Arraya]Changed dramatically to what? Good lord, the press is pumping this up as much as Michael Jackson dying and it means about as much.
Yeah, the system is working people as said by fox news. hahaha
You know what does mean something, this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
“By a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that corporations may spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, overturning a 20-year-old decision that barred such contributions.”
Which makes elections even more irrelevant.
Politicians are the entertainment arm of the financial-corporate-CIA-military-industrial complex.
Yeah, have fun with your delusions that the system functions as intended.
Speaking of Ron Paul
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
Quote
[quote]US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA[/quote][/quote]
A, I saw that Court decision today. As I said earlier, the current political system is so corrupt and bastardized that not even an honest-minded pubic servant could ever effect any real change. This is why our only hope is a radical and revolutionary overhaul that will require Americans to reject the two dominant parties en masse.
I by no means see this election as proof that the current system is working so much as I see it as proof that people can get the attention of those in power by surprising them with their actions. That is the dramatic change that has just occurred. The next step will be to bring people to the awareness that instead of kicking a Democrat out in favor of a Republican, they should be kicking BOTH out of office. Baby steps, my friend. You can’t expect a delirious horse that has been wandering around in a desert to suddenly gallop towards water, even when you lead him to it. But eventually, he will find the water.
I’m not an optimist, but I have not fallen so far down the well of cynicism that I have given up all hope that a broken system can ever be replaced (not repaired – we are now beyond the point of repair). As the social contract continues to break down and this country continues its spiral into a slow-motion economic collapse, we will all be dragged kicking and screaming towards true and fundamental change. The GOP and Fox news may mistakenly see the MA election as a rallying cry for their cause and proof that the system in its current form *works*, but come 2012 – when it becomes clear that the pendulum swing in the opposite direction hasn’t done jack for those on Main Street – the GOP will find themselves at the wrong end of the public’s bayonette. The pendulum swings are getting shorter, sharper and faster – and very soon folks will wake up – between pendulum swings – and realize that they need to break this cycle.
The time is right for something truly revolutionary to occur in this country. And I think we will begin to see it in a few years.
And I do agree with Paul. We need to take out the CIA.
partypupParticipant[quote=Arraya]Changed dramatically to what? Good lord, the press is pumping this up as much as Michael Jackson dying and it means about as much.
Yeah, the system is working people as said by fox news. hahaha
You know what does mean something, this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122805666
“By a 5-4 vote, the court ruled that corporations may spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, overturning a 20-year-old decision that barred such contributions.”
Which makes elections even more irrelevant.
Politicians are the entertainment arm of the financial-corporate-CIA-military-industrial complex.
Yeah, have fun with your delusions that the system functions as intended.
Speaking of Ron Paul
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ron-paul-cia/
Quote
[quote]US House Rep. Ron Paul says the CIA has has in effect carried out a “coup” against the US government, and the intelligence agency needs to be “taken out.”Speaking to an audience of like-minded libertarians at a Campaign for Liberty regional conference in Atlanta this past weekend, the Texas Republican said:
There’s been a coup, have you heard? It’s the CIA coup. The CIA runs everything, they run the military. They’re the ones who are over there lobbing missiles and bombs on countries. … And of course the CIA is every bit as secretive as the Federal Reserve. … And yet think of the harm they have done since they were established [after] World War II. They are a government unto themselves. They’re in businesses, in drug businesses, they take out dictators … We need to take out the CIA[/quote][/quote]
A, I saw that Court decision today. As I said earlier, the current political system is so corrupt and bastardized that not even an honest-minded pubic servant could ever effect any real change. This is why our only hope is a radical and revolutionary overhaul that will require Americans to reject the two dominant parties en masse.
I by no means see this election as proof that the current system is working so much as I see it as proof that people can get the attention of those in power by surprising them with their actions. That is the dramatic change that has just occurred. The next step will be to bring people to the awareness that instead of kicking a Democrat out in favor of a Republican, they should be kicking BOTH out of office. Baby steps, my friend. You can’t expect a delirious horse that has been wandering around in a desert to suddenly gallop towards water, even when you lead him to it. But eventually, he will find the water.
I’m not an optimist, but I have not fallen so far down the well of cynicism that I have given up all hope that a broken system can ever be replaced (not repaired – we are now beyond the point of repair). As the social contract continues to break down and this country continues its spiral into a slow-motion economic collapse, we will all be dragged kicking and screaming towards true and fundamental change. The GOP and Fox news may mistakenly see the MA election as a rallying cry for their cause and proof that the system in its current form *works*, but come 2012 – when it becomes clear that the pendulum swing in the opposite direction hasn’t done jack for those on Main Street – the GOP will find themselves at the wrong end of the public’s bayonette. The pendulum swings are getting shorter, sharper and faster – and very soon folks will wake up – between pendulum swings – and realize that they need to break this cycle.
The time is right for something truly revolutionary to occur in this country. And I think we will begin to see it in a few years.
And I do agree with Paul. We need to take out the CIA.
partypupParticipant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
More evidence that lawn chairs don’t pay much attention:
“California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, for one, said the election of Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts shows the fundamental political landscape has shifted and Democrats across the country have to take note, focusing on how to create jobs and keep people in their homes instead of trying to explain the need for sweeping social programs.
“I can tell you the situation has changed dramatically. And I think it’s a sweep across the country and I think that the (White House Economic Adviser) Larry Summers’s of the world have to see it, the administration has to see it and we have to see it. And therefore everything is jobs and the economy and education. People are worried about education,” she said.
Democrats are FINALLY realizing that they should not be obsessed with large-scale spending for social programs and health care when 10% of the U.S. population is unemployed and foreclosures are mounting. And you wonder why this particular election was a “big deal”? Are you purposefully being obtuse?
partypupParticipant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
More evidence that lawn chairs don’t pay much attention:
“California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, for one, said the election of Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts shows the fundamental political landscape has shifted and Democrats across the country have to take note, focusing on how to create jobs and keep people in their homes instead of trying to explain the need for sweeping social programs.
“I can tell you the situation has changed dramatically. And I think it’s a sweep across the country and I think that the (White House Economic Adviser) Larry Summers’s of the world have to see it, the administration has to see it and we have to see it. And therefore everything is jobs and the economy and education. People are worried about education,” she said.
Democrats are FINALLY realizing that they should not be obsessed with large-scale spending for social programs and health care when 10% of the U.S. population is unemployed and foreclosures are mounting. And you wonder why this particular election was a “big deal”? Are you purposefully being obtuse?
partypupParticipant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
More evidence that lawn chairs don’t pay much attention:
“California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, for one, said the election of Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts shows the fundamental political landscape has shifted and Democrats across the country have to take note, focusing on how to create jobs and keep people in their homes instead of trying to explain the need for sweeping social programs.
“I can tell you the situation has changed dramatically. And I think it’s a sweep across the country and I think that the (White House Economic Adviser) Larry Summers’s of the world have to see it, the administration has to see it and we have to see it. And therefore everything is jobs and the economy and education. People are worried about education,” she said.
Democrats are FINALLY realizing that they should not be obsessed with large-scale spending for social programs and health care when 10% of the U.S. population is unemployed and foreclosures are mounting. And you wonder why this particular election was a “big deal”? Are you purposefully being obtuse?
partypupParticipant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
More evidence that lawn chairs don’t pay much attention:
“California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, for one, said the election of Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts shows the fundamental political landscape has shifted and Democrats across the country have to take note, focusing on how to create jobs and keep people in their homes instead of trying to explain the need for sweeping social programs.
“I can tell you the situation has changed dramatically. And I think it’s a sweep across the country and I think that the (White House Economic Adviser) Larry Summers’s of the world have to see it, the administration has to see it and we have to see it. And therefore everything is jobs and the economy and education. People are worried about education,” she said.
Democrats are FINALLY realizing that they should not be obsessed with large-scale spending for social programs and health care when 10% of the U.S. population is unemployed and foreclosures are mounting. And you wonder why this particular election was a “big deal”? Are you purposefully being obtuse?
partypupParticipant[quote=pri_dk][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]This is some cool shit going on.[/quote]
Given that, I just don’t see why this particular election is a big deal. Perhaps history will prove otherwise, but I really think we are letting the media over-hype this. [/quote]
More evidence that lawn chairs don’t pay much attention:
“California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, for one, said the election of Republican Scott Brown in Massachusetts shows the fundamental political landscape has shifted and Democrats across the country have to take note, focusing on how to create jobs and keep people in their homes instead of trying to explain the need for sweeping social programs.
“I can tell you the situation has changed dramatically. And I think it’s a sweep across the country and I think that the (White House Economic Adviser) Larry Summers’s of the world have to see it, the administration has to see it and we have to see it. And therefore everything is jobs and the economy and education. People are worried about education,” she said.
Democrats are FINALLY realizing that they should not be obsessed with large-scale spending for social programs and health care when 10% of the U.S. population is unemployed and foreclosures are mounting. And you wonder why this particular election was a “big deal”? Are you purposefully being obtuse?
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