Democrats Falling Off A Cliff…

[Anonymous]

[quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.

[Arraya]

[quote=felix]The spin machine is running overtime with your comments.[/quote]

I’ve been saying Obama will be a monumental dud since before his election, for the reasons I’ve stated. Much the opposite of what media was saying.

[quote]As far as the issues you raised as litmus tests for liberalism, the death penalty and same-sex marriage, I’m not sure how many states would have banned the death penalty or allowed same-sex marriage if these were left up to a democratic vote as opposed to judicial fiat, which is the usual avenue for liberals who only seem to want votes when they can win.[/quote]

Sure, you win

[quote]I do agree with you about this being about Obama’s promise of change. Most independents supported Obama wanted change. They wanted less partisanship. They wanted a government that would work for the folks. They wanted measured action to create jobs, to eliminate the deficit and keep their home values from crashing. They were fooled.[/quote]

The government works for capital, always has. Partisanship, would be there if there regardless. It’s a feature of the system. Deficits? The banks are very expensive and nobody is going to cut military spending. All you have left is social programs that are keeping unrest at bay. Try again.

[quote]America elected the least ready for high office person in my lifetime. A guy whose ideology and background screamed radical change by whatever means necessary. A guy whose lack of skills, other than to read a teleprompter, has abdicated leadership to Chicago pols and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. [/quote]

Obama doesn’t have that much power and ideology is questionable. He is kind of like an inkblot test. You see what you want to. Actions, or lack of, is louder than words.

[quote]This all was available to be known but the MSM failed us in the hate of W. They embraced this guy and looked the other way when all sorts of red flags about his background and lack of experience was there to be known.[/quote]

Nice talking point. Little relevance in the real world. His policies are a smidgen away from Bushes. Minus the corporate handout of a healthcare bill.

[quote]I been watching the Dem spin machines at work today. Some seem to understand what is happening not only in Mass but in recent elections in Virginia and in New Jersey. Most Dems though do not understand. Some are saying Obama hasn’t pushed change enough. What are they smoking?[/quote]

Dems are in a death spiral for the same reason I’ve said on this board for over a year. Because they can’t mask the fact that they are controlled by the same corporate entity the Rs are. The big difference is that is not what Ds vote for and hence lose interest or go into denial once they realize there is no difference. Whereas corporate favoritism over human needs is a platform for the right.

[quote]Folks are fed up. Pushing through anymore large programs will result in losing your job if you are an elected official, Dem or Rep. Ridiculing Tea Partyers is not wise strategy. The movement is grass roots and stronger than either party knows.[/quote]

Sure the fox news, sponsored by JP morgan and hosted by glen beck tea party. Yup, that’s about as grass roots as it comes. Suurre. haha. It’s corporate run grass roots.

[quote]As far as your second issue about good politicking. All elections sway on this aspect but Coakley was hamstrung by the issues at hand which were very unpopular with the voters. Brown would have beaten almost any Dem last night. If you don’t understand that, than you wil continue to lose to more and more Browns.[/quote]

Just repeating what I heard from actually dems in Mass that opted out from voting. What are you gonna believe actual people or what glen beck tells you.

Most thinking progressive lefts, understand Obama is a fancy speech and corporate handout healthcare bill away from Bush. He is the anti-change.

No doubt the Rs should gain a few. Not because Ds are flocking away en masse from Obama’s policies but because they don’t see a difference in policies. So why even bother if there is no reason to vote, other than their disdain for the Right.

How would monetary policy or foreign policy been different? You have both Gates and Bernake in either post that trajectories remained unchanged from one president to the next? What else has their been besides the dead insurance handout bill? Anything?

The states interaction with capital has always been there because that is the function of the state as an enforcer of Capital. Which is easily seen with it’s interaction with Wall Street. The asinine talking points coming from the right wing noise machine serves as the only major coalescing force for Obama’s support. And the right’s delusion is only matched by that on the left that sees Obama as an agent of change. Which is decreasing as the days go by and will serve as support for future Rs victory. *As I have said here for over a year*. This was easy to see coming. When every lefty on this board disagreed with me.

We have one party running the country and it’s the financial-media-corporate-military industrial complex. If *big* capital is challenged, the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. And just a hint, the heads of capital don’t care about yours and will legislate their way into it when they want it. What mask do you want your robber to wear. Government or corporate? You decide.

Now here is another prediction. The health care bill will be further amended . The insurance lobby, which spent 400 million writing the bill, will dictate some new compromise that will allow both parties to call victory. Unless near-term future economic problems arise. This will be echoed by the MSM. Just as MSDNC’s Chis Mathews was echoing that this was a referendum on the healthcare bill, for he is apart of the single corporate-media entity that Limbaugh is. Obama will be happy to sign anything at this point that he can call *reform” because of his lack of.

[Arraya]

[quote=felix]The spin machine is running overtime with your comments.[/quote]

I’ve been saying Obama will be a monumental dud since before his election, for the reasons I’ve stated. Much the opposite of what media was saying.

[quote]As far as the issues you raised as litmus tests for liberalism, the death penalty and same-sex marriage, I’m not sure how many states would have banned the death penalty or allowed same-sex marriage if these were left up to a democratic vote as opposed to judicial fiat, which is the usual avenue for liberals who only seem to want votes when they can win.[/quote]

Sure, you win

[quote]I do agree with you about this being about Obama’s promise of change. Most independents supported Obama wanted change. They wanted less partisanship. They wanted a government that would work for the folks. They wanted measured action to create jobs, to eliminate the deficit and keep their home values from crashing. They were fooled.[/quote]

The government works for capital, always has. Partisanship, would be there if there regardless. It’s a feature of the system. Deficits? The banks are very expensive and nobody is going to cut military spending. All you have left is social programs that are keeping unrest at bay. Try again.

[quote]America elected the least ready for high office person in my lifetime. A guy whose ideology and background screamed radical change by whatever means necessary. A guy whose lack of skills, other than to read a teleprompter, has abdicated leadership to Chicago pols and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. [/quote]

Obama doesn’t have that much power and ideology is questionable. He is kind of like an inkblot test. You see what you want to. Actions, or lack of, is louder than words.

[quote]This all was available to be known but the MSM failed us in the hate of W. They embraced this guy and looked the other way when all sorts of red flags about his background and lack of experience was there to be known.[/quote]

Nice talking point. Little relevance in the real world. His policies are a smidgen away from Bushes. Minus the corporate handout of a healthcare bill.

[quote]I been watching the Dem spin machines at work today. Some seem to understand what is happening not only in Mass but in recent elections in Virginia and in New Jersey. Most Dems though do not understand. Some are saying Obama hasn’t pushed change enough. What are they smoking?[/quote]

Dems are in a death spiral for the same reason I’ve said on this board for over a year. Because they can’t mask the fact that they are controlled by the same corporate entity the Rs are. The big difference is that is not what Ds vote for and hence lose interest or go into denial once they realize there is no difference. Whereas corporate favoritism over human needs is a platform for the right.

[quote]Folks are fed up. Pushing through anymore large programs will result in losing your job if you are an elected official, Dem or Rep. Ridiculing Tea Partyers is not wise strategy. The movement is grass roots and stronger than either party knows.[/quote]

Sure the fox news, sponsored by JP morgan and hosted by glen beck tea party. Yup, that’s about as grass roots as it comes. Suurre. haha. It’s corporate run grass roots.

[quote]As far as your second issue about good politicking. All elections sway on this aspect but Coakley was hamstrung by the issues at hand which were very unpopular with the voters. Brown would have beaten almost any Dem last night. If you don’t understand that, than you wil continue to lose to more and more Browns.[/quote]

Just repeating what I heard from actually dems in Mass that opted out from voting. What are you gonna believe actual people or what glen beck tells you.

Most thinking progressive lefts, understand Obama is a fancy speech and corporate handout healthcare bill away from Bush. He is the anti-change.

No doubt the Rs should gain a few. Not because Ds are flocking away en masse from Obama’s policies but because they don’t see a difference in policies. So why even bother if there is no reason to vote, other than their disdain for the Right.

How would monetary policy or foreign policy been different? You have both Gates and Bernake in either post that trajectories remained unchanged from one president to the next? What else has their been besides the dead insurance handout bill? Anything?

The states interaction with capital has always been there because that is the function of the state as an enforcer of Capital. Which is easily seen with it’s interaction with Wall Street. The asinine talking points coming from the right wing noise machine serves as the only major coalescing force for Obama’s support. And the right’s delusion is only matched by that on the left that sees Obama as an agent of change. Which is decreasing as the days go by and will serve as support for future Rs victory. *As I have said here for over a year*. This was easy to see coming. When every lefty on this board disagreed with me.

We have one party running the country and it’s the financial-media-corporate-military industrial complex. If *big* capital is challenged, the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. And just a hint, the heads of capital don’t care about yours and will legislate their way into it when they want it. What mask do you want your robber to wear. Government or corporate? You decide.

Now here is another prediction. The health care bill will be further amended . The insurance lobby, which spent 400 million writing the bill, will dictate some new compromise that will allow both parties to call victory. Unless near-term future economic problems arise. This will be echoed by the MSM. Just as MSDNC’s Chis Mathews was echoing that this was a referendum on the healthcare bill, for he is apart of the single corporate-media entity that Limbaugh is. Obama will be happy to sign anything at this point that he can call *reform” because of his lack of.

[Arraya]

[quote=felix]The spin machine is running overtime with your comments.[/quote]

I’ve been saying Obama will be a monumental dud since before his election, for the reasons I’ve stated. Much the opposite of what media was saying.

[quote]As far as the issues you raised as litmus tests for liberalism, the death penalty and same-sex marriage, I’m not sure how many states would have banned the death penalty or allowed same-sex marriage if these were left up to a democratic vote as opposed to judicial fiat, which is the usual avenue for liberals who only seem to want votes when they can win.[/quote]

Sure, you win

[quote]I do agree with you about this being about Obama’s promise of change. Most independents supported Obama wanted change. They wanted less partisanship. They wanted a government that would work for the folks. They wanted measured action to create jobs, to eliminate the deficit and keep their home values from crashing. They were fooled.[/quote]

The government works for capital, always has. Partisanship, would be there if there regardless. It’s a feature of the system. Deficits? The banks are very expensive and nobody is going to cut military spending. All you have left is social programs that are keeping unrest at bay. Try again.

[quote]America elected the least ready for high office person in my lifetime. A guy whose ideology and background screamed radical change by whatever means necessary. A guy whose lack of skills, other than to read a teleprompter, has abdicated leadership to Chicago pols and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. [/quote]

Obama doesn’t have that much power and ideology is questionable. He is kind of like an inkblot test. You see what you want to. Actions, or lack of, is louder than words.

[quote]This all was available to be known but the MSM failed us in the hate of W. They embraced this guy and looked the other way when all sorts of red flags about his background and lack of experience was there to be known.[/quote]

Nice talking point. Little relevance in the real world. His policies are a smidgen away from Bushes. Minus the corporate handout of a healthcare bill.

[quote]I been watching the Dem spin machines at work today. Some seem to understand what is happening not only in Mass but in recent elections in Virginia and in New Jersey. Most Dems though do not understand. Some are saying Obama hasn’t pushed change enough. What are they smoking?[/quote]

Dems are in a death spiral for the same reason I’ve said on this board for over a year. Because they can’t mask the fact that they are controlled by the same corporate entity the Rs are. The big difference is that is not what Ds vote for and hence lose interest or go into denial once they realize there is no difference. Whereas corporate favoritism over human needs is a platform for the right.

[quote]Folks are fed up. Pushing through anymore large programs will result in losing your job if you are an elected official, Dem or Rep. Ridiculing Tea Partyers is not wise strategy. The movement is grass roots and stronger than either party knows.[/quote]

Sure the fox news, sponsored by JP morgan and hosted by glen beck tea party. Yup, that’s about as grass roots as it comes. Suurre. haha. It’s corporate run grass roots.

[quote]As far as your second issue about good politicking. All elections sway on this aspect but Coakley was hamstrung by the issues at hand which were very unpopular with the voters. Brown would have beaten almost any Dem last night. If you don’t understand that, than you wil continue to lose to more and more Browns.[/quote]

Just repeating what I heard from actually dems in Mass that opted out from voting. What are you gonna believe actual people or what glen beck tells you.

Most thinking progressive lefts, understand Obama is a fancy speech and corporate handout healthcare bill away from Bush. He is the anti-change.

No doubt the Rs should gain a few. Not because Ds are flocking away en masse from Obama’s policies but because they don’t see a difference in policies. So why even bother if there is no reason to vote, other than their disdain for the Right.

How would monetary policy or foreign policy been different? You have both Gates and Bernake in either post that trajectories remained unchanged from one president to the next? What else has their been besides the dead insurance handout bill? Anything?

The states interaction with capital has always been there because that is the function of the state as an enforcer of Capital. Which is easily seen with it’s interaction with Wall Street. The asinine talking points coming from the right wing noise machine serves as the only major coalescing force for Obama’s support. And the right’s delusion is only matched by that on the left that sees Obama as an agent of change. Which is decreasing as the days go by and will serve as support for future Rs victory. *As I have said here for over a year*. This was easy to see coming. When every lefty on this board disagreed with me.

We have one party running the country and it’s the financial-media-corporate-military industrial complex. If *big* capital is challenged, the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. And just a hint, the heads of capital don’t care about yours and will legislate their way into it when they want it. What mask do you want your robber to wear. Government or corporate? You decide.

Now here is another prediction. The health care bill will be further amended . The insurance lobby, which spent 400 million writing the bill, will dictate some new compromise that will allow both parties to call victory. Unless near-term future economic problems arise. This will be echoed by the MSM. Just as MSDNC’s Chis Mathews was echoing that this was a referendum on the healthcare bill, for he is apart of the single corporate-media entity that Limbaugh is. Obama will be happy to sign anything at this point that he can call *reform” because of his lack of.

[Arraya]

[quote=felix]The spin machine is running overtime with your comments.[/quote]

I’ve been saying Obama will be a monumental dud since before his election, for the reasons I’ve stated. Much the opposite of what media was saying.

[quote]As far as the issues you raised as litmus tests for liberalism, the death penalty and same-sex marriage, I’m not sure how many states would have banned the death penalty or allowed same-sex marriage if these were left up to a democratic vote as opposed to judicial fiat, which is the usual avenue for liberals who only seem to want votes when they can win.[/quote]

Sure, you win

[quote]I do agree with you about this being about Obama’s promise of change. Most independents supported Obama wanted change. They wanted less partisanship. They wanted a government that would work for the folks. They wanted measured action to create jobs, to eliminate the deficit and keep their home values from crashing. They were fooled.[/quote]

The government works for capital, always has. Partisanship, would be there if there regardless. It’s a feature of the system. Deficits? The banks are very expensive and nobody is going to cut military spending. All you have left is social programs that are keeping unrest at bay. Try again.

[quote]America elected the least ready for high office person in my lifetime. A guy whose ideology and background screamed radical change by whatever means necessary. A guy whose lack of skills, other than to read a teleprompter, has abdicated leadership to Chicago pols and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. [/quote]

Obama doesn’t have that much power and ideology is questionable. He is kind of like an inkblot test. You see what you want to. Actions, or lack of, is louder than words.

[quote]This all was available to be known but the MSM failed us in the hate of W. They embraced this guy and looked the other way when all sorts of red flags about his background and lack of experience was there to be known.[/quote]

Nice talking point. Little relevance in the real world. His policies are a smidgen away from Bushes. Minus the corporate handout of a healthcare bill.

[quote]I been watching the Dem spin machines at work today. Some seem to understand what is happening not only in Mass but in recent elections in Virginia and in New Jersey. Most Dems though do not understand. Some are saying Obama hasn’t pushed change enough. What are they smoking?[/quote]

Dems are in a death spiral for the same reason I’ve said on this board for over a year. Because they can’t mask the fact that they are controlled by the same corporate entity the Rs are. The big difference is that is not what Ds vote for and hence lose interest or go into denial once they realize there is no difference. Whereas corporate favoritism over human needs is a platform for the right.

[quote]Folks are fed up. Pushing through anymore large programs will result in losing your job if you are an elected official, Dem or Rep. Ridiculing Tea Partyers is not wise strategy. The movement is grass roots and stronger than either party knows.[/quote]

Sure the fox news, sponsored by JP morgan and hosted by glen beck tea party. Yup, that’s about as grass roots as it comes. Suurre. haha. It’s corporate run grass roots.

[quote]As far as your second issue about good politicking. All elections sway on this aspect but Coakley was hamstrung by the issues at hand which were very unpopular with the voters. Brown would have beaten almost any Dem last night. If you don’t understand that, than you wil continue to lose to more and more Browns.[/quote]

Just repeating what I heard from actually dems in Mass that opted out from voting. What are you gonna believe actual people or what glen beck tells you.

Most thinking progressive lefts, understand Obama is a fancy speech and corporate handout healthcare bill away from Bush. He is the anti-change.

No doubt the Rs should gain a few. Not because Ds are flocking away en masse from Obama’s policies but because they don’t see a difference in policies. So why even bother if there is no reason to vote, other than their disdain for the Right.

How would monetary policy or foreign policy been different? You have both Gates and Bernake in either post that trajectories remained unchanged from one president to the next? What else has their been besides the dead insurance handout bill? Anything?

The states interaction with capital has always been there because that is the function of the state as an enforcer of Capital. Which is easily seen with it’s interaction with Wall Street. The asinine talking points coming from the right wing noise machine serves as the only major coalescing force for Obama’s support. And the right’s delusion is only matched by that on the left that sees Obama as an agent of change. Which is decreasing as the days go by and will serve as support for future Rs victory. *As I have said here for over a year*. This was easy to see coming. When every lefty on this board disagreed with me.

We have one party running the country and it’s the financial-media-corporate-military industrial complex. If *big* capital is challenged, the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. And just a hint, the heads of capital don’t care about yours and will legislate their way into it when they want it. What mask do you want your robber to wear. Government or corporate? You decide.

Now here is another prediction. The health care bill will be further amended . The insurance lobby, which spent 400 million writing the bill, will dictate some new compromise that will allow both parties to call victory. Unless near-term future economic problems arise. This will be echoed by the MSM. Just as MSDNC’s Chis Mathews was echoing that this was a referendum on the healthcare bill, for he is apart of the single corporate-media entity that Limbaugh is. Obama will be happy to sign anything at this point that he can call *reform” because of his lack of.

[Arraya]

[quote=felix]The spin machine is running overtime with your comments.[/quote]

I’ve been saying Obama will be a monumental dud since before his election, for the reasons I’ve stated. Much the opposite of what media was saying.

[quote]As far as the issues you raised as litmus tests for liberalism, the death penalty and same-sex marriage, I’m not sure how many states would have banned the death penalty or allowed same-sex marriage if these were left up to a democratic vote as opposed to judicial fiat, which is the usual avenue for liberals who only seem to want votes when they can win.[/quote]

Sure, you win

[quote]I do agree with you about this being about Obama’s promise of change. Most independents supported Obama wanted change. They wanted less partisanship. They wanted a government that would work for the folks. They wanted measured action to create jobs, to eliminate the deficit and keep their home values from crashing. They were fooled.[/quote]

The government works for capital, always has. Partisanship, would be there if there regardless. It’s a feature of the system. Deficits? The banks are very expensive and nobody is going to cut military spending. All you have left is social programs that are keeping unrest at bay. Try again.

[quote]America elected the least ready for high office person in my lifetime. A guy whose ideology and background screamed radical change by whatever means necessary. A guy whose lack of skills, other than to read a teleprompter, has abdicated leadership to Chicago pols and the likes of Pelosi and Reid. [/quote]

Obama doesn’t have that much power and ideology is questionable. He is kind of like an inkblot test. You see what you want to. Actions, or lack of, is louder than words.

[quote]This all was available to be known but the MSM failed us in the hate of W. They embraced this guy and looked the other way when all sorts of red flags about his background and lack of experience was there to be known.[/quote]

Nice talking point. Little relevance in the real world. His policies are a smidgen away from Bushes. Minus the corporate handout of a healthcare bill.

[quote]I been watching the Dem spin machines at work today. Some seem to understand what is happening not only in Mass but in recent elections in Virginia and in New Jersey. Most Dems though do not understand. Some are saying Obama hasn’t pushed change enough. What are they smoking?[/quote]

Dems are in a death spiral for the same reason I’ve said on this board for over a year. Because they can’t mask the fact that they are controlled by the same corporate entity the Rs are. The big difference is that is not what Ds vote for and hence lose interest or go into denial once they realize there is no difference. Whereas corporate favoritism over human needs is a platform for the right.

[quote]Folks are fed up. Pushing through anymore large programs will result in losing your job if you are an elected official, Dem or Rep. Ridiculing Tea Partyers is not wise strategy. The movement is grass roots and stronger than either party knows.[/quote]

Sure the fox news, sponsored by JP morgan and hosted by glen beck tea party. Yup, that’s about as grass roots as it comes. Suurre. haha. It’s corporate run grass roots.

[quote]As far as your second issue about good politicking. All elections sway on this aspect but Coakley was hamstrung by the issues at hand which were very unpopular with the voters. Brown would have beaten almost any Dem last night. If you don’t understand that, than you wil continue to lose to more and more Browns.[/quote]

Just repeating what I heard from actually dems in Mass that opted out from voting. What are you gonna believe actual people or what glen beck tells you.

Most thinking progressive lefts, understand Obama is a fancy speech and corporate handout healthcare bill away from Bush. He is the anti-change.

No doubt the Rs should gain a few. Not because Ds are flocking away en masse from Obama’s policies but because they don’t see a difference in policies. So why even bother if there is no reason to vote, other than their disdain for the Right.

How would monetary policy or foreign policy been different? You have both Gates and Bernake in either post that trajectories remained unchanged from one president to the next? What else has their been besides the dead insurance handout bill? Anything?

The states interaction with capital has always been there because that is the function of the state as an enforcer of Capital. Which is easily seen with it’s interaction with Wall Street. The asinine talking points coming from the right wing noise machine serves as the only major coalescing force for Obama’s support. And the right’s delusion is only matched by that on the left that sees Obama as an agent of change. Which is decreasing as the days go by and will serve as support for future Rs victory. *As I have said here for over a year*. This was easy to see coming. When every lefty on this board disagreed with me.

We have one party running the country and it’s the financial-media-corporate-military industrial complex. If *big* capital is challenged, the financial colony within our national Petri dish shape shifts into a Gila monster and squirts venom on the idea and shits money all over Capitol Hill. And just a hint, the heads of capital don’t care about yours and will legislate their way into it when they want it. What mask do you want your robber to wear. Government or corporate? You decide.

Now here is another prediction. The health care bill will be further amended . The insurance lobby, which spent 400 million writing the bill, will dictate some new compromise that will allow both parties to call victory. Unless near-term future economic problems arise. This will be echoed by the MSM. Just as MSDNC’s Chis Mathews was echoing that this was a referendum on the healthcare bill, for he is apart of the single corporate-media entity that Limbaugh is. Obama will be happy to sign anything at this point that he can call *reform” because of his lack of.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.[/quote]

Dude: First, I don’t listen to talk radio because its for morons – so to suggest that I am borrowing any of my thoughts from these nitwits only speaks to how ill-informed you are. It is truly mind-numbing how partisan people on this board can be, as if what’s left of their frontal lobes has dissolved into jello. If anyone comes out against Obama, then they are automatically branded a right-wing talk show-loving Republican. Here’s a newsflash: I voted for Gore and Kerry, godda***it! Do you truly think that life is so black and white, absent of any shades of gray? If so, I wonder how you will manage to muddle through your remaining years on this earth.

Second, I don’t have a “team” in this game. Have you been listening to anything that I, Arraya and Zeit have been saying for the past 8 mos? BOTH of these so-called political teams are criminal and need to be stopped. Re-read what I wrote in my original post and stop writing on auto-pilot:

“Because by all accounts on the ground this appears to be the beginning of a groundswell of political revolution – one that will initially take out Obama and the Democrats, but will then be unleashed against the GOP.”

Think before you write.

Third, I’m not looking for the state of MA or Scott Brown or the dolts in the GOP to make my life better; I’m looking to myself and other voters – starting in MA – to simply wake up and take control over their own lives. The MA election was not only symbolic; it also put a roadblock in front of a party that was clearly not listening to the majority of the country. And that’s not a reason to be excited? You must be a terminal manic-depressive.

The first step towards *real change* – not the kind sported on a friggin’ bumper sticker – is rejecting the actions of ANY party that is railroading you, whether it is the party of the left or the right. And when the GOP takes control of Congress this year and fails miserably, the pendulum will swing again – but this time I predict it will swing in a different direction entirely and in favor of the fastest-growing voter bloc in the country: independents. I have been saying this from day one. The time compression between pendulum swings has gotten so short now that both Dems and Repugs are about to find themselves personas non grata by all Americans. All it will take is one independent-minded senator or rep who has always remained on the fringes of their party to STAND UP and proclaim their candidacy on a third ticket.

What’s happening now is not “fun”, and the fact that you would equate the groundwell of revolution all around us to a football game suggests that you are not grasping the import of what is unfolding. The stakes have never been higher for each and every one of us, and I have only been waiting for the tipping point to arrive when people finally began to wake up, take control and realize that both parties need to be put out of their misery. Last night may have seemed like a victory to the GOP, and being as clueless as they are I’m sure they have mis-read it that way, just as they have mis-read the sentiment behind the Tea Party and 9/12 movements. But it wasn’t a victory for them, and 2012 will be the watershed. Almost no one had even heard of Obama 2 years before the election. A candidate who is truly right for the times and speaks to the people can come out of nowhere even if he/she lacks $1 billion in campaign funding.

You need to climb out of your ditch of cynicism and realize that we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.

This is much bigger than Scott Brown.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.[/quote]

Dude: First, I don’t listen to talk radio because its for morons – so to suggest that I am borrowing any of my thoughts from these nitwits only speaks to how ill-informed you are. It is truly mind-numbing how partisan people on this board can be, as if what’s left of their frontal lobes has dissolved into jello. If anyone comes out against Obama, then they are automatically branded a right-wing talk show-loving Republican. Here’s a newsflash: I voted for Gore and Kerry, godda***it! Do you truly think that life is so black and white, absent of any shades of gray? If so, I wonder how you will manage to muddle through your remaining years on this earth.

Second, I don’t have a “team” in this game. Have you been listening to anything that I, Arraya and Zeit have been saying for the past 8 mos? BOTH of these so-called political teams are criminal and need to be stopped. Re-read what I wrote in my original post and stop writing on auto-pilot:

“Because by all accounts on the ground this appears to be the beginning of a groundswell of political revolution – one that will initially take out Obama and the Democrats, but will then be unleashed against the GOP.”

Think before you write.

Third, I’m not looking for the state of MA or Scott Brown or the dolts in the GOP to make my life better; I’m looking to myself and other voters – starting in MA – to simply wake up and take control over their own lives. The MA election was not only symbolic; it also put a roadblock in front of a party that was clearly not listening to the majority of the country. And that’s not a reason to be excited? You must be a terminal manic-depressive.

The first step towards *real change* – not the kind sported on a friggin’ bumper sticker – is rejecting the actions of ANY party that is railroading you, whether it is the party of the left or the right. And when the GOP takes control of Congress this year and fails miserably, the pendulum will swing again – but this time I predict it will swing in a different direction entirely and in favor of the fastest-growing voter bloc in the country: independents. I have been saying this from day one. The time compression between pendulum swings has gotten so short now that both Dems and Repugs are about to find themselves personas non grata by all Americans. All it will take is one independent-minded senator or rep who has always remained on the fringes of their party to STAND UP and proclaim their candidacy on a third ticket.

What’s happening now is not “fun”, and the fact that you would equate the groundwell of revolution all around us to a football game suggests that you are not grasping the import of what is unfolding. The stakes have never been higher for each and every one of us, and I have only been waiting for the tipping point to arrive when people finally began to wake up, take control and realize that both parties need to be put out of their misery. Last night may have seemed like a victory to the GOP, and being as clueless as they are I’m sure they have mis-read it that way, just as they have mis-read the sentiment behind the Tea Party and 9/12 movements. But it wasn’t a victory for them, and 2012 will be the watershed. Almost no one had even heard of Obama 2 years before the election. A candidate who is truly right for the times and speaks to the people can come out of nowhere even if he/she lacks $1 billion in campaign funding.

You need to climb out of your ditch of cynicism and realize that we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.

This is much bigger than Scott Brown.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.[/quote]

Dude: First, I don’t listen to talk radio because its for morons – so to suggest that I am borrowing any of my thoughts from these nitwits only speaks to how ill-informed you are. It is truly mind-numbing how partisan people on this board can be, as if what’s left of their frontal lobes has dissolved into jello. If anyone comes out against Obama, then they are automatically branded a right-wing talk show-loving Republican. Here’s a newsflash: I voted for Gore and Kerry, godda***it! Do you truly think that life is so black and white, absent of any shades of gray? If so, I wonder how you will manage to muddle through your remaining years on this earth.

Second, I don’t have a “team” in this game. Have you been listening to anything that I, Arraya and Zeit have been saying for the past 8 mos? BOTH of these so-called political teams are criminal and need to be stopped. Re-read what I wrote in my original post and stop writing on auto-pilot:

“Because by all accounts on the ground this appears to be the beginning of a groundswell of political revolution – one that will initially take out Obama and the Democrats, but will then be unleashed against the GOP.”

Think before you write.

Third, I’m not looking for the state of MA or Scott Brown or the dolts in the GOP to make my life better; I’m looking to myself and other voters – starting in MA – to simply wake up and take control over their own lives. The MA election was not only symbolic; it also put a roadblock in front of a party that was clearly not listening to the majority of the country. And that’s not a reason to be excited? You must be a terminal manic-depressive.

The first step towards *real change* – not the kind sported on a friggin’ bumper sticker – is rejecting the actions of ANY party that is railroading you, whether it is the party of the left or the right. And when the GOP takes control of Congress this year and fails miserably, the pendulum will swing again – but this time I predict it will swing in a different direction entirely and in favor of the fastest-growing voter bloc in the country: independents. I have been saying this from day one. The time compression between pendulum swings has gotten so short now that both Dems and Repugs are about to find themselves personas non grata by all Americans. All it will take is one independent-minded senator or rep who has always remained on the fringes of their party to STAND UP and proclaim their candidacy on a third ticket.

What’s happening now is not “fun”, and the fact that you would equate the groundwell of revolution all around us to a football game suggests that you are not grasping the import of what is unfolding. The stakes have never been higher for each and every one of us, and I have only been waiting for the tipping point to arrive when people finally began to wake up, take control and realize that both parties need to be put out of their misery. Last night may have seemed like a victory to the GOP, and being as clueless as they are I’m sure they have mis-read it that way, just as they have mis-read the sentiment behind the Tea Party and 9/12 movements. But it wasn’t a victory for them, and 2012 will be the watershed. Almost no one had even heard of Obama 2 years before the election. A candidate who is truly right for the times and speaks to the people can come out of nowhere even if he/she lacks $1 billion in campaign funding.

You need to climb out of your ditch of cynicism and realize that we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.

This is much bigger than Scott Brown.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.[/quote]

Dude: First, I don’t listen to talk radio because its for morons – so to suggest that I am borrowing any of my thoughts from these nitwits only speaks to how ill-informed you are. It is truly mind-numbing how partisan people on this board can be, as if what’s left of their frontal lobes has dissolved into jello. If anyone comes out against Obama, then they are automatically branded a right-wing talk show-loving Republican. Here’s a newsflash: I voted for Gore and Kerry, godda***it! Do you truly think that life is so black and white, absent of any shades of gray? If so, I wonder how you will manage to muddle through your remaining years on this earth.

Second, I don’t have a “team” in this game. Have you been listening to anything that I, Arraya and Zeit have been saying for the past 8 mos? BOTH of these so-called political teams are criminal and need to be stopped. Re-read what I wrote in my original post and stop writing on auto-pilot:

“Because by all accounts on the ground this appears to be the beginning of a groundswell of political revolution – one that will initially take out Obama and the Democrats, but will then be unleashed against the GOP.”

Think before you write.

Third, I’m not looking for the state of MA or Scott Brown or the dolts in the GOP to make my life better; I’m looking to myself and other voters – starting in MA – to simply wake up and take control over their own lives. The MA election was not only symbolic; it also put a roadblock in front of a party that was clearly not listening to the majority of the country. And that’s not a reason to be excited? You must be a terminal manic-depressive.

The first step towards *real change* – not the kind sported on a friggin’ bumper sticker – is rejecting the actions of ANY party that is railroading you, whether it is the party of the left or the right. And when the GOP takes control of Congress this year and fails miserably, the pendulum will swing again – but this time I predict it will swing in a different direction entirely and in favor of the fastest-growing voter bloc in the country: independents. I have been saying this from day one. The time compression between pendulum swings has gotten so short now that both Dems and Repugs are about to find themselves personas non grata by all Americans. All it will take is one independent-minded senator or rep who has always remained on the fringes of their party to STAND UP and proclaim their candidacy on a third ticket.

What’s happening now is not “fun”, and the fact that you would equate the groundwell of revolution all around us to a football game suggests that you are not grasping the import of what is unfolding. The stakes have never been higher for each and every one of us, and I have only been waiting for the tipping point to arrive when people finally began to wake up, take control and realize that both parties need to be put out of their misery. Last night may have seemed like a victory to the GOP, and being as clueless as they are I’m sure they have mis-read it that way, just as they have mis-read the sentiment behind the Tea Party and 9/12 movements. But it wasn’t a victory for them, and 2012 will be the watershed. Almost no one had even heard of Obama 2 years before the election. A candidate who is truly right for the times and speaks to the people can come out of nowhere even if he/she lacks $1 billion in campaign funding.

You need to climb out of your ditch of cynicism and realize that we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.

This is much bigger than Scott Brown.

[partypup]

[quote=pri_dk][quote=partypup][mishmash of hyperbole borrowed from various talk-radio hosts][/quote]

I know lots of people that are elated because their football team won in the playoffs (not many folks from around here, though.)

People like to pick a team, cheer for their side. It’s always fun to see your team win and the other team lose. It brings joy.

But politics is real, not some game that has no influence over our life, right? So there is genuine reason to be happy.

The political party that won an election on the other side of the country for one office (out of hundreds that influence the laws) is going to tip the scales and make everything better.

Because eventually the guy on our team who just won may be able to influence policy and lower taxes for corporations and high-income earners and eventually that may create more economic growth and eventually that may create more demand for my particular skills and eventually this might improve my income and then life will be full of joy.

That’s how it’s going to work, right?

I seem to remember hearing the exact same thing in 1994. And there has been nothing but joy since then.[/quote]

Dude: First, I don’t listen to talk radio because its for morons – so to suggest that I am borrowing any of my thoughts from these nitwits only speaks to how ill-informed you are. It is truly mind-numbing how partisan people on this board can be, as if what’s left of their frontal lobes has dissolved into jello. If anyone comes out against Obama, then they are automatically branded a right-wing talk show-loving Republican. Here’s a newsflash: I voted for Gore and Kerry, godda***it! Do you truly think that life is so black and white, absent of any shades of gray? If so, I wonder how you will manage to muddle through your remaining years on this earth.

Second, I don’t have a “team” in this game. Have you been listening to anything that I, Arraya and Zeit have been saying for the past 8 mos? BOTH of these so-called political teams are criminal and need to be stopped. Re-read what I wrote in my original post and stop writing on auto-pilot:

“Because by all accounts on the ground this appears to be the beginning of a groundswell of political revolution – one that will initially take out Obama and the Democrats, but will then be unleashed against the GOP.”

Think before you write.

Third, I’m not looking for the state of MA or Scott Brown or the dolts in the GOP to make my life better; I’m looking to myself and other voters – starting in MA – to simply wake up and take control over their own lives. The MA election was not only symbolic; it also put a roadblock in front of a party that was clearly not listening to the majority of the country. And that’s not a reason to be excited? You must be a terminal manic-depressive.

The first step towards *real change* – not the kind sported on a friggin’ bumper sticker – is rejecting the actions of ANY party that is railroading you, whether it is the party of the left or the right. And when the GOP takes control of Congress this year and fails miserably, the pendulum will swing again – but this time I predict it will swing in a different direction entirely and in favor of the fastest-growing voter bloc in the country: independents. I have been saying this from day one. The time compression between pendulum swings has gotten so short now that both Dems and Repugs are about to find themselves personas non grata by all Americans. All it will take is one independent-minded senator or rep who has always remained on the fringes of their party to STAND UP and proclaim their candidacy on a third ticket.

What’s happening now is not “fun”, and the fact that you would equate the groundwell of revolution all around us to a football game suggests that you are not grasping the import of what is unfolding. The stakes have never been higher for each and every one of us, and I have only been waiting for the tipping point to arrive when people finally began to wake up, take control and realize that both parties need to be put out of their misery. Last night may have seemed like a victory to the GOP, and being as clueless as they are I’m sure they have mis-read it that way, just as they have mis-read the sentiment behind the Tea Party and 9/12 movements. But it wasn’t a victory for them, and 2012 will be the watershed. Almost no one had even heard of Obama 2 years before the election. A candidate who is truly right for the times and speaks to the people can come out of nowhere even if he/she lacks $1 billion in campaign funding.

You need to climb out of your ditch of cynicism and realize that we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.

This is much bigger than Scott Brown.

[Anonymous]

[quote=partypup]we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.[/quote]

So this is your conclusion?

Can you name one time/place in all of human history where the above statement was not true?

I can think of lots of times/places where it was even more true (especially the “dangerous” part.)

We live in the most prosperous time in the most prosperous place that has ever existed. Anyone that can read this message board has more freedom and opportunity than 99% of all the people whom have ever lived in history.

Of course you know this.

And please don’t make the claim that somehow all of this is going to be lost because of a national health care bill or any other mundane legislation.

So why are you cheering for the whole system to collapse? — So that somehow things can get “better?”

This display of over-exaggeration has been entertaining, but I think I’ll switch over to the sports pages now…

[Anonymous]

[quote=partypup]we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.[/quote]

So this is your conclusion?

Can you name one time/place in all of human history where the above statement was not true?

I can think of lots of times/places where it was even more true (especially the “dangerous” part.)

We live in the most prosperous time in the most prosperous place that has ever existed. Anyone that can read this message board has more freedom and opportunity than 99% of all the people whom have ever lived in history.

Of course you know this.

And please don’t make the claim that somehow all of this is going to be lost because of a national health care bill or any other mundane legislation.

So why are you cheering for the whole system to collapse? — So that somehow things can get “better?”

This display of over-exaggeration has been entertaining, but I think I’ll switch over to the sports pages now…

[Anonymous]

[quote=partypup]we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.[/quote]

So this is your conclusion?

Can you name one time/place in all of human history where the above statement was not true?

I can think of lots of times/places where it was even more true (especially the “dangerous” part.)

We live in the most prosperous time in the most prosperous place that has ever existed. Anyone that can read this message board has more freedom and opportunity than 99% of all the people whom have ever lived in history.

Of course you know this.

And please don’t make the claim that somehow all of this is going to be lost because of a national health care bill or any other mundane legislation.

So why are you cheering for the whole system to collapse? — So that somehow things can get “better?”

This display of over-exaggeration has been entertaining, but I think I’ll switch over to the sports pages now…

[Anonymous]

[quote=partypup]we are now living in extraordinary, dangerous and exciting times where anything is possible.[/quote]

So this is your conclusion?

Can you name one time/place in all of human history where the above statement was not true?

I can think of lots of times/places where it was even more true (especially the “dangerous” part.)

We live in the most prosperous time in the most prosperous place that has ever existed. Anyone that can read this message board has more freedom and opportunity than 99% of all the people whom have ever lived in history.

Of course you know this.

And please don’t make the claim that somehow all of this is going to be lost because of a national health care bill or any other mundane legislation.

So why are you cheering for the whole system to collapse? — So that somehow things can get “better?”

This display of over-exaggeration has been entertaining, but I think I’ll switch over to the sports pages now…

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