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Participant[quote=flu]
You know the irony behind this sort of taiwanese complex is that… Well, you know I hate to say this. But at least China didn’t hand the keys over to Japan and subject themselves to Japanese rule like Taiwan did. Talk about slave mentality. China at least had the balls to fight (albeit not very well).Why do you think when the tsunami/earthquake hit and despite Taiwan donated a significant portion of economic aid to Japan, not a single recognition from Japan but instead thanked China??? Japan looks down at Taiwan. Because they view Taiwan as a bunch of ass kissers. Old japan will never respect Taiwan for that reason. ever. All this ranting against Japan revisionism during WWII and the war crimes isn’t really being pushed from Taiwan now is it? Where’s the dignity in that??
Yeah, flame on… But before you do, half my family is native TW and the other half came over with the KMT and army.
It’s not going to matter really much so. You’re going to end up doing business among both countries anyway so why bother fighting over technicalities?[/quote]
I figured you would pull out the Japan card. Because everyone look at Taiwanese independence through that anti-Japan complex.
The fact is Taiwanese independence of yesteryears was truly filled with folks who were Japanese sympathisers. But that’s about 20 years behind. These days everyone in Taiwan are essentially for Taiwanese independence, even the pan-blue folks. To chose the status quo is to chose Taiwanese independence, because the status quo is independence. The era of equating the independence movement with the legacy of Japan’s influence have been long over.
And as for Taiwanese handing over the keys. Please remember it was the Manchu’s that gave the Japanese the keys. The Manchurians. Talk about another foreign power. And here’s food for thought. How much resistence did the Chinese people put up against the foreign invasion and oppression from the Manchurians? How many Chinese took the bait and became Manchurian running dogs? Who ultimately crushed the first Taiwanese kingdom of Koxinga and handed it to the Manchus? A Han Chinese turncoat Manchu running dog admiral Shi Lang.
And who is honored as a cultural hero and as the namesake of China’s first aircraft carrier? Shi Lang. Yesterday’s turncoat is today’s hero. How ironic.
The Japanese strategy in Taiwan was the same as it was in Korea. Divide and conquer. They divided the population into essentially a caste system, with folks that were willing to assimilate as Japanese on the top. In Korea the same thing happened. Some of the top dogs in Korea today are the off springs of the same folks that were willing to be “Japanese” during the occupation.
But the difference is in Korea there was no KMT that came over to cleanse that group and stigmatize that group. In Taiwan’s case, the KMT cleansed that pro-Japanese group and instilled their own system of patronage. Is it truly that much more different? Not really. But what the KMT was able to do was to stigmatize the entire Taiwanese independence movement with the broad stroke and label it as pro-Japanese sympathisers. And now the Chinese from across the strait try to do the same.
I too am the product of Chinese ex-military KMT and Taiwanese parents. There is no need to flame you. Bottom line is the Japanese link is very old school and it is designed to give the KMT cover. The truth is if today there are no military threats from China and no Shi Lang aircraft carrier on deck, you and I both know what the people of Taiwan will overwhelmingly chose.
Participant[quote=briansd1]
Until 1971, ROC held the UN seat for all of China, a tacit admission that are Chinese.When the US recognized the PRC as the rightful government of China, America recognized PRC sovereignty over Taiwan.
[/quote]America acknowledges PRC claim over Taiwan, but soverneignty is based on facts on the ground. You can’t remove on the ground reality and sovereignty with international political tic for tac. Even when the ROC had international recognition, and PRC did not, you can’t say PRC did not exercise sovereignty over China.
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I don’t know, ocrenter. I have a close Taiwanese friend whose family is originally from Taiwan for many generations. She’s OK with being called Chinese.
Her brothers and cousins are all doing business in China, so she said, they might as well be Chinese.
But she doesn’t buy anything made in China and is not fond of mainland culture, haha.
It could be like Sicilians not wanting to be called Italians, but they are Italians in the eyes of the world.[/quote]
there are plenty of folks in the world that switch nationalities. British immigrants to America after a few years here will start identifying as Americans. we see that with Canadian immigrants as well. Did Peter Jennings identify more as an American or as a Canadian? more likely as an American. your example of Taiwanese that moved to China to do business is the same thing.
and I really don’t get you with these weird analogies. First you think California has an independent standing army. Now you think Sicily issues its own passport.
I’m starting to think when you heard Lin is Taiwanese you thought he was from Thailand.
Participantall of this Chinese vs Taiwanese sensitivities is from psychological complexes.
Chinese have an inferiority complex from the years of foreign domination. They look at the Taiwan situation from a pure racial disgrace stand point. meaning they see Taiwan’s separation from China as a consequence of foreign manipulation and Chinese weakness of yesteryears. Therefore, at every opportunity, including this thread about a basketball breakout, they will try to squish down anything that potentially point to the separateness of the two countries.
Taiwanese also have a complex. Because of constant Chinese pressure in regard to Taiwanese sovereignty, Taiwanese tend to guard against any possible infringement of that sovereignty, down to getting mad if someone call them Chinese instead of Taiwanese.
My take on this is when China finally grow up as a nation (it is in its teenager phase with its rapid development), hopefully its citizens will be more mature and shed their inferiority complex. if a group of people feel confident, they would not be so reliant on delusional claims on other people’s country. Then the Taiwanese complex would go away as well.
If the two countries have normal relations as fellow ethnic brother nations, then I do not see how there would be any barriers to the type of pan-ethnic Chinese love fest flu was hoping for.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=4slive]Correction. Taiwanese is part of Chinese. There is no nation called Taiwan, we only know Repulbic of China is on Taiwan island.[/quote]
I have to agree with this, especially under international law.
It’s changing somewhat now, but ROC, especially under the KMT, has always claimed to represent all of China, including the mainland. In essence, they claimed to be the rightful government of all of China, with the PRC as the “breakaway” region.
If Taiwan wanted to become independent, they should have done so back in the 1950s. Too late for that now.
I don’t see the problem with calling someone Taiwanese, just like calling someone Californian or New Yorker. But a Taiwanese is Chinese. Of course, people can choose what they wish to be called.[/quote]
brian, the ROC no longer claim China. there was an amendment to the constitution changing the national territory to Taiwan and couple of offshore islands.
And if California is an independent country with its own military and diplomatic missions, I would agree with you. Last time I checked that has not been the case.
So no, a Taiwanese is a Taiwanese. a Chinese is a Chinese.
Participant[quote=flu]You know I posted something nastier earlier that I deleted.
but I will say this.
Chinese people get routinely screwed because they end up screwing themselves through their divisive screwed up thought process of trying to screw a fellow chinese person over just because they are from a different country and because of their culturally inherent nature to think that they are better than the other chinese dude next to them…
You don’t see the same thing among koreans or among japanese… Think about that one.[/quote]
problem is lack of respect of other’s nationality. there’s nothing wrong with pan-Chinese love. just like pan-Arab or pan-Hispanic or pan-Anglo. But nobody else disrespect each other’s country or claim it as their own.
Participant[quote=nla]Lin-sanity’s parents are ethnic Chinese that immigrated from Taiwan. But ocrenter is right, that not all Taiwanese are Chinese. But most Taiwanese are ethnic Chinese, mostly from South China. The indigenous people in Taiwan are Austranesians which are closely related to the indigenous population in the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia. Although in the Philippines (specially in the big cities), the modern Filipino is a mutt of Chinese/Spanish/Japanese/Indian/Malay among others.[/quote]
along the same vein, most Americans and Canadians are ethic Anglos. When an Anglo-American does well, how many Brits go around proclaiming that person is English?
No one dispute the fact that 98% of Taiwanese are ethnic Chinese. But their nationality is Taiwanese.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=4slive]Correction. Taiwanese is part of Chinese. There is no nation called Taiwan, we only know Repulbic of China is on Taiwan island.[/quote]
Interesting. Now we have People’s Republic of China “watchers” on Piggington’s. Hmmmmm.[/quote]
no kidding.
Taiwanese is not part of Chinese. Taiwanese historically came from China. Taiwanese also speak Chinese, but that does not mean they are Chinese.
Just like most Americans and Canadians historically came from England and they also speak English, but that does not mean they are English.
the Republic of China is the formal name of the nation known as Taiwan. This nation’s constitution defines its effective borders as Taiwan and Matsu and Kinmen islands, aka Taiwan for short.
The entire world knows China = the People’s Republic of China. And Chinese are people from the People’s Republic of China.
The PRC have never ruled Taiwan in their 60 years of existence, that’s a fact.
Jeremy Lin’s parents were Taiwanese immigrants, when he goes back to his homeland, he goes to Taiwan. All of this makes him Taiwanese American, not Chinese.
His rise is something to be celebrated as this is a major step for all Asian Americans. But don’t try to make him out into something he is not, aka Chinese. Yao Ming is Chinese. I was very happy Yao Ming broke the color barrier as the first Asian player in the NBA. But I celebrated his success as an Asian American.
Just celebrate his success as an Asian American and quit pulling the delusional “Taiwan is an integral part of China since ancient time” crap on us.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=blake]Linsanity propels MSG shares to record high
Dude earned his paycheck alright.[/quote]
First time I read that headline, I was like MSG – Monosodium glutamate? A Chinese dude and MSG, haha.[/quote]Correction, Taiwanese American.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]Pardee has owned Carmel Valley and the other side of that canyon in SOrrento Mesa for a long time. I just drove by the area today showing a house in MM to a client. When I saw that location all I could think was Qualcomm/Telecom engineers wanting to buy new houses close to work. Those houses and condos are going to fly off the shelves.[/quote]
agree
ParticipantAnyone know how in the world did Pardee manage to get all these land from Serranto all the way up to what is now Pacific Highland Ranch? They essentially got a lock on that entire area.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=briansd1] . . . The stats do show that Asians consistently outscore the other groups. Numbers don’t lie, or do they?
Interesting article on college admissions.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-s-asian-american-discrimination-probe.html
[/quote]…Budget-strapped state schools such as the University of California at San Diego are reducing enrollment of Asian-Americans to make room for international students from China and elsewhere who pay almost twice the tuition of in-state residents, Bloomberg News reported Dec. 28….
This is only the beginning. When all the Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans who will soon be bumped from the military and given Veteran’s preference (and benefits) in the UC system, there will be few slots left for incoming freshman who are graduates of CA high schools and lifelong residents no matter WHAT their GPA and SAT scores.[/quote]
What is the true percentage of international students in undergrad campuses? marginal. if you can find data supporting your assertion that Chinese international students are bumping out vets in colleges, ANY colleges, with subpar scores and grades purely because of colleges’ need for cash, SHOW US THE DATA.
Don’t pull this type of foreigners are taking our spot comments without proof. that puts you in a really bad light.
Participant[quote=AN]
I agree with you that to completely remove yourself from discrimination, just change your name. If your kids are born here, give them American names. There’s no way anyone can tell my kids are Asian from their name. It always bug the hell out of me when they say they need more minorities at the Universities. Somehow, to those people, Asian are not considered as minority.[/quote]
Bottom line is the college admission guideline being practiced for some time now has been strictly racist against Asians. It is pure unadulterated racism coming from the left.
Jews, who are Caucasian, do not get discriminated against. They are less than 2% of the general population. Yet they are 25% of the Harvard population, and their numbers approach 30% in some Ivy League colleges. Does the fact that they are over-represented by over 12 times their weight in population cause Harvard to enforce significantly higher SAT and grade standards? Of course not, because they are still WHITE.
But to protect against the yellow peril, Harvard set quotas against Asian applicants and limit the Asian population in the teens (similar to the 20% population in UC campuses before the racist policy of “affirmative action was lifted in the UC system). In fact, for some reason, ALL Ivy League schools ALL seem to be able to find just about 15% of Asians worthy of admission year after year.
This is why Asian teenagers are now taught they need to hide their race when applying to Ivy League schools. Do Jewish students, 12 times over-represented, need to hide their Jewishness? No. If a group is forced to hide their identity to get equal treatment, that is racism, period.
February 2, 2012 at 11:49 AM in reply to: Redfin shows San Diego Inventory at 31% below the two year low… WHY? #737256Participantnot so much slow and steady, but more of small waves of up and down, without significant increase upward.
I really should back up and say the decade I’m referring to started in 2008, so more or less half way through.
February 2, 2012 at 7:42 AM in reply to: Redfin shows San Diego Inventory at 31% below the two year low… WHY? #737235Participant[quote=pemeliza]OC, I agree with everything you posted except the last paragraph as you are essentially assuming that the demand will stay constant or low enough for the next decade to be satiated by a few nibblers testing the market that are content to get out at nominal prices circa 2 or 3 decades ago.
This certainly isn’t how things played out in so cal during the last downturn, so what you are saying is a variation on “it is different this time”.[/quote]
If we are looking at “a few nibblers” you would be right. But we are looking at 2/3 of would be inventory that will serve as future nibblers. That’s a lot more than a few nibblers.
We actually saw a bit of this when the 10k government incentive temporarily caused an uptick in prices. The inventory in my neighborhood doubled with a lot of unrealistic prices. Of course those lingered for a few months and got pulled back into hibernation.
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