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Participant[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Blogstar]Never in my life not even up to 35 or so years ago when I had my first beer would it have occurred to me that there were not enough good beers…and I like beer a little bit. I am humored by the variety now more than anything, it’s funny to see the hype like little kids trading poke,e,mon cards or something. Same with cigars and wine . Little boys become big boys only the price of their toys goes up.[/quote]
no, seriously, im willing to agree that all wine tastes about the same…but a good IPA is not like a regular commercial beer, any more than kraft mac and cheese is like a bit of goat cheese from some foofy shop.
not saying it’s necessarily ultimately better, just different…[/quote]
That’s where we disagree scaredy, I pretty much only like red wine but even with in my budget and low level of discernment, some are awful , too sweet, too vinegary and too sour…and there are some that are good. Now when I am with people who pay more ,,,i agree that they often get more….up to a point.
To me beers mostly are rated like coffee, weak and watereyish or strong and thick tasting. Yeah there is some levels of sweetness that come with it too…but that is not a controlling factor. I don’t put sugar in my coffee …could pay more attention to the sweetness variable I guess. Some of the really cool beers that have been shared with me have off tastes, like pine resin or too much reminder of the fermented grain…like it wasn’t finished….pretty happy when my guest bring over the basics and I don’t have to pretend their cool beer matters much to me.
ParticipantGood stuff, scaredy. I would have at least made him squat 250 with me before putting him on Xanax.
The power imbalance between the father and the first wife was probably enough to teach misogyny or get it off to a good start….that’s just a guess. Lots of old style oedipal stuff in there that needs some attention. He’s hamlet but only more neurotic. What comes first the broken heart or the crazy.
Only love can break a heart and only love can mend it again. Lyrics from some country song.
ParticipantNever in my life not even up to 35 or so years ago when I had my first beer would it have occurred to me that there were not enough good beers…and I like beer a little bit. I am humored by the variety now more than anything, it’s funny to see the hype like little kids trading poke,e,mon cards or something. Same with cigars and wine . Little boys become big boys only the price of their toys goes up.
ParticipantI know it is tasteless to attach blame his parents and it is going to infuriate a lot of people if one does that. Trust me I am not likely to go public and stand my ground to mobs of random people. Probably get killed for it.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/
good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]
BumpParticipant[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]Are you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?
1 ” I agree with that summary”
2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”
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My critiques were with those two sentences, their relation to your previous arguments, and to your subsequent arguments.
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Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.
No, OMG.[/quote]
If this is all too much for you, perhaps you should change your handle.[/quote]
I have never taken the blogstar name very seriously.
I had politely told you two weeks ago that i didn’t care to get into it with you. It’s not my fault if you can’t take “no” for an answer.
ParticipantAre you done critiquing the many flaws in my two sentence post now?
1 ” I agree with that summary”
2 ‘ The boy had a terrible upbringing”
Yes, Good I am glad that’s over.
No, OMG.
ParticipantWhen something is so self evident , like a rock falling on your head, inference is not such a bad thing. Given that ubringing is at least one undeniable component, I find the defensiveness interesting….moreover, it just seem like you woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or something, so I forgive you.
ParticipantIt’s a free thread so I can take a stand right? I don’t agree it’s all “emotion” but there is some of that. Would some passion on an issue such as mass murder be O.K.? Either that or give me a list of things it is and isn’t o.k. to take a stand on.
Am I wrong or are you just being kind of controlling?
I am free to infer from where the mentally very bad comes from and I am doing that .
I was teasing about being on topic.
Participant[quote=zk][quote=Blogstar]Yes I am taking a stand on upbringing.
[/quote]Well, that right there says that you’re emotional about it. And it seems your emotion is getting in the way of a clear assessment of the situation.
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I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree. [/quote]The article says he was “mentally very bad.” It doesn’t say why. It doesn’t say that his upbringing didn’t cover it. How do you know his upbringing “didn’t [cover it] to a very terrible degree?” Where are you getting that information from?
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Besides that the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.[/quote]I’m all for staying on topic. But just because the topic of this thread is “Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter” doesn’t mean that that’s what the article was about.[/quote
Whatever.
ParticipantYes I am taking a stand on upbringing. I disagree that the article says nothing about that. It says everything about it. The kid was mentally very bad on every single difficult item with life and american culture the article covers that. His upbringing didn’t to a very terrible degree.
Besides that the topic of this thread is ” Parenting and the Santa Barbara Shooter”
I am just staying on topic.Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-80422119/
good summary of why the rodger memoir is compelling and meaningful…[/quote]
I agree with that summary. The boy had a terrible upbringing.
Participant[quote=paramount]And the eviction just completed today….
As in GONE! Good Bye!
Hasta la Vista, Baby.[/quote]
Congratulations!Participant[quote=Blogstar][quote=UCGal][quote=Blogstar]We put more and more kids on Meds about the time this kid was young and we have more psyhco young men going on killing sprees than before and we think them getting off meds is the problem, not putting them on meds in the first place? Man I would have been really angry if my dad and the system succeeded at putting me on meds shortly after their divorce and my moms death , knowing what I know now that would have been a travesty of justice of a high order.
Living with the stigma of mentally ill, 6,7 ,8 years old, with all the normal expectations and a prescription is really a raw deal. It doesn’t set these kids up well in anyway. Most adults can’t even go out in public if our car isn’t late model …how about living with your being not good enough through grade school and forever after?
The kid going off his meds is just part of his decision to finally say fuck you. But the decision was likely made before he quit the meds BECAUSE THEY DID NOT WORK! Big pharma must love it when society at large deem the meds successful and getting off of them being the cause of tragedy. I don’t believe it.[/quote]
I struggled with the medication issue for my son. All the “experts” were saying it was the right thing to do. I researched like crazy and was very uncomfortable with using drugs that effect brain chemistry on an undeveloped brain. I’m really glad I listened to my instincts.
It’s very hard for parents to know what the right thing to do is. Every authority was telling me one thing and my instincts were screaming the opposite. I understand why parents do it – they are told by experts its the right thing to do. They may not have the resources, intellect, etc to educate themselves and they might not have the personality to stand up to authority/medical personnel.
As mentioned before – my son did have a brain chemistry issue. But now that I know it was due to an enzyme problem – I also know that the meds would have been ineffective. That’s one of the issues with this MTHFR mutation – SSRIs and other psychotropic drugs are much less effective.
But – you have to cut parents some slack. The vast majority of parents are doing their very best to do right – and it’s very hard to figure out what “right” is.[/quote]
I am really glad it is working out for your kid and your family, UCGAL, Good job.
I could cut some individual parents some slack, you have no support in going after them anyway, even when the schools or doctors know the family is a complete disaster , which is often the case, not much can be done and instead the often dysfunction is used as leverage to get the kids into the pharma system if anything. …the systematic use of this crap the way I see it applied, no way. It’s parasitical and the hosts are the kids. It’s child abuse and or help perpetuate child abuse.[/quote]
Forgot to add, I can totally see Elliot Rodgers falling under this scam.
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