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[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]Because a male is never certain of paternity he must be in a constant state of uncertainty. Perhaps, therefore, “what’s up little bitch”.[/quote]

As my father in law (a family doc) used to say – “a persons mother is a matter of record and his father is a matter if opinion”. Not so much anymore with genetic testing. And yes, biology is destiny. Or, more depressingly, we are transportation devices for our genes, who use us to propagate themselves in the highest copy number possible. The genes of those of us who have a small number of (or no) children will be diluted out by those who have many. I try not to think about it.[/quote]
Maybe we will learn to nurture offspring not born to blue bloods and it will matter less who actually conceives. It makes it easier to thin k about anyway.

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Pro per.

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[quote=njtosd][quote=scaredyclassic]Because women bear the burden of having kids, they are kind of screwed.[/quote]

Because you constantly feel that you must compete to be a real man, you are most definitely screwed. I have never once in my life questioned whether I am real woman, woman enough, etc. i have never posted pictures of my lats, delta or traps (or whatever) to show that I measure up. And bearing the burden of having kids makes us essential. In many species, the children are fathered by approximately 5-10% of the adult males, but the opposite is never true. :)[/quote]

If marriage and prostitution were taken out 10% of the males of our species would get 90% of the action with women too.

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It’s a great world , remember when you used to have to pay to see tattooed women? And they were ugly too, not like the hotties sporting ink today.

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If I smoked I think I could be happy with homegrown. I’d enjoy growing it too,if.

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I agree that the districts are all to willing to let them waste it. That just seems crazy. My family does use out of district schools, two boys in a charter and one in a non-charter language academy. Our local schools are o.k. though, pretty good actually, just not a best fit.

So what would you do to improve things, NSR, What would you do to avoid the detention camp scenario for a little kid with counterproductive caregivers stuck in LAUSD ?

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

Essentially, what you’re saying is that some students have got to go. When I talked to my brother about people who “got to go” I was asking what the plan would be to get rid of them. He said “shoot them”. It wasn’t a serious answer, but still….

Scaredy makes the correct moral argument but your point of view is more practical.[/quote]
I am not saying that at all. I am saying more students and their families have to value and do better with the imperfect gift they are offered.

I think what some of you are expressing is low expectations for poor less educated people. Of course they don’t have all the benefits , but why have even lower expectations than are appropriate? Expressing those lower expectations by blaming the schools isn’t going to help.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

I suspect it’s not true. I seriously wonder if you took kids from The Preuss School, or La Jolla High and put them in some of the poor schools in LAUSD, if they wouldn’t fail miserably.

I don’t mean lock step move everybody, I mean like say a dozen of them out of their school and put them in the other, like George Washington Prep in LAUSD. Sure, they’d graduate, maybe even be top of their class, but I wonder how many would sink to the level of the school. Especially if you stripped all the outside tutoring and kumon away from them.

I’ve had that discussion about Irvine being “good” are the schools good or are the results more influenced by the average Irvinite kid receiving over 50% more instruction time when you factor in Kumon, academic bootcamps, SAT prep, tutoring etc.[/quote]

So more people waste it and bring it down in some districts more than others. That’s not a surprise. That’s why I say the poorer you are the bigger the gift potentially is. I see some people , even poor and uneducated living in the lower performing districts who do as much as they can with it and many who trash it. All the tiger parent stuff is not needed to get a lot of kids a better education . But it makes a good point that it is about the parents.

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More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.

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The poorer and less educated you are as a parent the bigger the gift public education potentially is for your children. I bet your son has engineering classmates who have immigrant laborer parents. People like your mom helped them get there.

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What happened to the story about your son and how you and your wife saved him from the public school and some dreadful hateful teacher, a teacher who represent the norm for teachers?

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So you make a case for good parenting which is what I said is needed. Plenty of people do that without taking their kids out of school. Plenty of people do that with less education and less money. LIke I said there are social inequities , they play out at school, but until you get your humanitarian utopia , people would be better off not looking for every excuse and blaming everyone but themselves.

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]

I was talking about that with my brother last week. He thinks it’s their fault. But I think we need to engage and try to make everyone useful.

He’d go as far as shooting the useless ones.[/quote]

What is your plan for making hostile, entitled, semi-illiterate people useful , Brian. Something that isn’t a political disaster. I know a lot of low academic achievers are good people living quite useful lives, but even then , they did it.

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Public school is a gift , the teachers are a gift and a blessing. Yes there are imperfections in both , yes there is social stratification tendencies, but that’s the proper attitude about school.

Scaredy, I can’t imagine you raising your kids to have a bunch of excuses and behaviors that totally trash the gift and disrupt it for everyone else while making their own futures much poorer. Maybe you can’t relate , have you ever tried to survive an excessively hostile school room environment when the harsh came from the kids? Why make excuses for someone else’s kids? Because those excuses hurt everybody. What is it, low expectation for them? Hate?

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[quote=zk][quote=poorgradstudent]Violence is only acceptable by teachers and law enforcement to prevent violence. A student who is disruptive but not violent can be threatened with escalating consequences when they don’t obey the rules. Frankly, if the threat of suspension isn’t sufficient to motivate a student’s actions, they probably should face expulsion, for the sake of the other students’ learning experience.

The officer’s actions weren’t appropriate.[/quote]

The idea of threats of escalating consequences might work, but I believe that option had already passed by the time the officer arrived. If I’m not mistaken, he was brought in for the purpose of removing the student.[/quote]

Many of these kids are beyond the fuck you expel me stage yet they are still there. They sleep in class, try to have sex, insult and harass each other. Insult the teacher etc, This stuff might mean a walk to the office and back, but once the parent or parents are found to be useless or even abusive , the school and especially the teachers hands are tied. THe teachers give up even trying to send them to the office.

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