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[no_such_reality]

[quote=spdrun]Are cops in schools allowed to be armed?[/quote]
From Sept 2014 news.
[quote]
Los Angeles Unified School District police officials are considering whether they need the armored vehicle and grenade launchers they received from the U.S. military, CBS Los Angeles reported.

But officials are relinquishing some of the weaponry after civil rights and education groups urged the Defense Department to end the program, according to The Los Angeles Times.

L.A. Unified is one of at least 22 school systems in eight states that receive the military-grade equipment, the newspaper reports.[/quote]

Armed you ask? LOL,

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar]What happened to the story about your son and how you and your wife saved him from the public school and some dreadful hateful teacher, a teacher who represent the norm for teachers?[/quote]

what really goes on in an elementary school all day/ really. first and foremost, order. minimal interaction. silence. filling in “workheets”, meaningless repetition of tasks that is extraordinarily challenging for some, extraordinarily meaningless for others. more silence. ltos of “dead time” waiting. a teacher speaks a little about an area she knowws little about. very very very little actual learning for many years. they send home lots of homework and send nasty notes when its not completed because no learning actually happened in school, so they need someone to blame.

school does teach you things, in the sense that participating in that structure prepares you for alife of being quiet, sitting an dnot moving, learning to be isolated, and to keep your mouth shut no matter how ridiculous the thing is thats going on in work. really, that prepared me ina very real sense for hte day to day routine of my life.

theres gotta be a better way.

if families could afford to, im confident many many more fo them would vote with their feet and homeschool.

[scaredyclassic]

OK, in the interests of full disclosure, my mother is a lifelong teacher who fully beleives in the educational system, and I have been taking a contrary view for over 30 years, much to her chagrin.

so i may have certain psychological issues here…

[NotCranky]

The poorer and less educated you are as a parent the bigger the gift public education potentially is for your children. I bet your son has engineering classmates who have immigrant laborer parents. People like your mom helped them get there.

[NotCranky]

More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

Essentially, what you’re saying is that some students have got to go. When I talked to my brother about people who “got to go” I was asking what the plan would be to get rid of them. He said “shoot them”. It wasn’t a serious answer, but still….

Scaredy makes the correct moral argument but your point of view is more practical.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

I suspect it’s not true. I seriously wonder if you took kids from The Preuss School, or La Jolla High and put them in some of the poor schools in LAUSD, if they wouldn’t fail miserably.

I don’t mean lock step move everybody, I mean like say a dozen of them out of their school and put them in the other, like George Washington Prep in LAUSD. Sure, they’d graduate, maybe even be top of their class, but I wonder how many would sink to the level of the school. Especially if you stripped all the outside tutoring and kumon away from them.

I’ve had that discussion about Irvine being “good” are the schools good or are the results more influenced by the average Irvinite kid receiving over 50% more instruction time when you factor in Kumon, academic bootcamps, SAT prep, tutoring etc.

[NotCranky]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

I suspect it’s not true. I seriously wonder if you took kids from The Preuss School, or La Jolla High and put them in some of the poor schools in LAUSD, if they wouldn’t fail miserably.

I don’t mean lock step move everybody, I mean like say a dozen of them out of their school and put them in the other, like George Washington Prep in LAUSD. Sure, they’d graduate, maybe even be top of their class, but I wonder how many would sink to the level of the school. Especially if you stripped all the outside tutoring and kumon away from them.

I’ve had that discussion about Irvine being “good” are the schools good or are the results more influenced by the average Irvinite kid receiving over 50% more instruction time when you factor in Kumon, academic bootcamps, SAT prep, tutoring etc.[/quote]

So more people waste it and bring it down in some districts more than others. That’s not a surprise. That’s why I say the poorer you are the bigger the gift potentially is. I see some people , even poor and uneducated living in the lower performing districts who do as much as they can with it and many who trash it. All the tiger parent stuff is not needed to get a lot of kids a better education . But it makes a good point that it is about the parents.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Blogstar]More people waste the opportunity, and bring it down for others, than are wasted by it.[/quote]

Essentially, what you’re saying is that some students have got to go. When I talked to my brother about people who “got to go” I was asking what the plan would be to get rid of them. He said “shoot them”. It wasn’t a serious answer, but still….

Scaredy makes the correct moral argument but your point of view is more practical.[/quote]
I am not saying that at all. I am saying more students and their families have to value and do better with the imperfect gift they are offered.

I think what some of you are expressing is low expectations for poor less educated people. Of course they don’t have all the benefits , but why have even lower expectations than are appropriate? Expressing those lower expectations by blaming the schools isn’t going to help.

[FlyerInHi]

What if the families won’t do shit? What if those families created insolent little monsters?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=FlyerInHi]What if the families won’t do shit? What if those families created insolent little monsters?[/quote]

That’s basically the union fight over LAUSDs charter plan. Families that give a rip will self select into the charters leaving those the don’t care, don’t know better or can’t self select into charters behind essentially leaving the non charter public LAUSD schools as juvenile detention without the court sentence

I disagree blogstar. Some succeeding is not indication of everyone else wasting, although many do. Herjovic and Cuban have both succeeded greatly, many others have not. Everyone else who hasn’t hasn’t wasted their opportunity, many have, many took a perceived safer path, and many just failed in the trying some because they didn’t have it and some because they just didn’t get a little bit of luck when they needed it

Sure some may waste it, but the system is all too willing to let them waste it. Really you want to blame the kid and parents when LAUSD gives them a graduation diploma and they can’t add three two digit numbers?

[NotCranky]

I agree that the districts are all to willing to let them waste it. That just seems crazy. My family does use out of district schools, two boys in a charter and one in a non-charter language academy. Our local schools are o.k. though, pretty good actually, just not a best fit.

So what would you do to improve things, NSR, What would you do to avoid the detention camp scenario for a little kid with counterproductive caregivers stuck in LAUSD ?

[no_such_reality]

What’s needed and what’s politically feasible are two different things.

Step 1 stop promoting and graduating students that aren’t at grade level. Yes this will likely increase the drop out rate but that will just highlight what the real problem level is.

The state just elimininsted the graduation testing as a failure. The true failure is the graduation testing would just make the failure of many schools blatantly obvious. We can’t have that can we so instead we just give them a diploma call testing a failure and end testing.

We won’t even have agreement on that.

Second may be to recognize counter to the education complex that college education isn’t for everyone and possibly building a more German-like system were some go college prep and some prep for trades.

That in turn involves lifting the lower rungs of the Economic ladder thru meaningful wage laws and applicable labor enforcement.

Frankly I don’t think it’s solvable until we address the mass consumption dependency of our economy and our indulgent dependence on 99 cent per pound grapes and $5 disposable t-shirts from China, and cash base house cleaners no employment questions asked.

[FlyerInHi]

It takes a village incremental solutions or every nuclear family for itself.

You don’t shoot the troublemakers, but you make it so inconvenient for them that they will go away, out of sight, into the shadows. Give the police extra powers (or “forgive” and “understand” or overlook strong police tactics) so they can meet insolence with contempt.

[scaredyclassic]

1. Max class size of 7.
2. Track different careers from age 10 on
3. Physical activity 1/3 of the day.
4. 25 percent of day min. In social interactions.
5. Regular snacks.
6. Afternoon rest.
7. School starts at 930.
8. Individ. Reading tutors for all nonreaders.

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