ot. tossing students around the classroom

[scaredyclassic]

clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?

[an]

[quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]
Only they can decide that. No one else.

[an]

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[scaredyclassic]

[quote=AN][quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]
Only they can decide that. No one else.[/quote]

is that really true? we alone determine our fates? say you go to law school, and only 20% of the class gets a job afterwards, but everyone went to law school because the student laons were accessible and they assumed theyd be the exception. was their fate in their hands alone? or was the system set up to ensure some got a job, some went to priosn, some killedself, etc…

[NotCranky]

Public school is a gift , the teachers are a gift and a blessing. Yes there are imperfections in both , yes there is social stratification tendencies, but that’s the proper attitude about school.

Scaredy, I can’t imagine you raising your kids to have a bunch of excuses and behaviors that totally trash the gift and disrupt it for everyone else while making their own futures much poorer. Maybe you can’t relate , have you ever tried to survive an excessively hostile school room environment when the harsh came from the kids? Why make excuses for someone else’s kids? Because those excuses hurt everybody. What is it, low expectation for them? Hate?

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]

I was talking about that with my brother last week. He thinks it’s their fault. But I think we need to engage and try to make everyone useful.

He’d go as far as shooting the useless ones.

[SK in CV]

[quote=kev374][quote=Hobie]Ok. How would you remove a disruptive, belligerent child from the classroom? Move the rest of the class to another room? Would any of you have behaved like this kid when you were a kid? We didn’t have cops on campus back then.[/quote]

notify parents first that kid if going to be forcibly removed if they do not come down asap.

[/quote]

The authorities couldn’t quite do that in this case. The girl was recently orphaned and in foster care.

[NotCranky]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]

I was talking about that with my brother last week. He thinks it’s their fault. But I think we need to engage and try to make everyone useful.

He’d go as far as shooting the useless ones.[/quote]

What is your plan for making hostile, entitled, semi-illiterate people useful , Brian. Something that isn’t a political disaster. I know a lot of low academic achievers are good people living quite useful lives, but even then , they did it.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar]Public school is a gift , the teachers are a gift and a blessing. Yes there are imperfections in both , yes there is social stratification tendencies, but that’s the proper attitude about school.

Scaredy, I can’t imagine you raising your kids to have a bunch of excuses and behaviors that totally trash the gift and disrupt it for everyone else while making their own futures much poorer. Maybe you can’t relate , have you ever tried to survive an excessively hostile school room environment when the harsh came from the kids? Why make excuses for someone else’s kids? Because those excuses hurt everybody. What is it, low expectation for them? Hate?[/quote]

mandatory uniform schooling that doesn’t work cant be the right (well, the humane) social answer /// what if mandatory schooling was something you were bad at and you were forced to do it all day long, and you were humiliated at your failrue to be able to do it. wouldnt that seem bad. lets say society were set up around something that you simply couldnt do well. crocheting. i dont know. and you had to sit and do it for the full school day every day and shut up and be quiet. over and over.

cant we adapt to our humanity

but maybe the system is working as it is supposed to.

people ahve no value other than as cannon fodder, consumers/emplyees and prisoners or guards.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=Blogstar]Public school is a gift , the teachers are a gift and a blessing. Yes there are imperfections in both , yes there is social stratification tendencies, but that’s the proper attitude about school.

Scaredy, I can’t imagine you raising your kids to have a bunch of excuses and behaviors that totally trash the gift and disrupt it for everyone else while making their own futures much poorer. Maybe you can’t relate , have you ever tried to survive an excessively hostile school room environment when the harsh came from the kids? Why make excuses for someone else’s kids? Because those excuses hurt everybody. What is it, low expectation for them? Hate?[/quote]

no. thats true

my sympathies are with the children. all of the chilren. not with the system, ot with the teachers, not with their requirements.

my sympathies are with the kids.

the teachers of course pay lipservice to this, about how they give it all “for the kids”, they only care about the kids

THEY ARE SO FULL OF SHIT i could scream. . the whole system is. the last thing in the universe they care about are actual children. they just want people to move quietly through their asinine system. it is not a gift. it is a torture chamber.

fuck the schools as currently constituted. we need a revolution in education.

[NotCranky]

So you make a case for good parenting which is what I said is needed. Plenty of people do that without taking their kids out of school. Plenty of people do that with less education and less money. LIke I said there are social inequities , they play out at school, but until you get your humanitarian utopia , people would be better off not looking for every excuse and blaming everyone but themselves.

[NotCranky]

What happened to the story about your son and how you and your wife saved him from the public school and some dreadful hateful teacher, a teacher who represent the norm for teachers?

[an]

[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=AN][quote=scaredyclassic]clearly the current curriculum is not engaging many students. i wonder if we could imagine a school that engaged them? or is it just school to welfare or school to prison for all of them? is there no use for them in society?[/quote]
Only they can decide that. No one else.[/quote]

is that really true? we alone determine our fates? say you go to law school, and only 20% of the class gets a job afterwards, but everyone went to law school because the student laons were accessible and they assumed theyd be the exception. was their fate in their hands alone? or was the system set up to ensure some got a job, some went to priosn, some killedself, etc…[/quote]If you decide to do drugs and kill people, your future was entirely in your hands.

[Anonymous]

By cop standards, that guy had a lot of courage.

Many cops would have “feared for their life” at some point in the altercation and would have had no choice but to shoot the person “resisting arrest.”

[spdrun]

Are cops in schools allowed to be armed?

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