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So my investigation was not optimal. I was overly optimistic. On the amount of space in that section of the attic. Not to mention the number of nails sticking through from the roofers.

The wet spot is in the corner next to the converted kitchen 70s style box fluorescent light. That means I have the width of a kitch cabinet between it and the wall in the attic and the raised section.

Complaining aside. I wasnt able to get really close and didn’t see obvious water running of signs of. Saw what appeared to be prior water on some of the old insulation. Didn’t see any wet staining on the wood but didn’t get the best view due to being several feet away, craning my neck and peering thru LCD light in the dust

That said the water damage appeared centered around the waste drain vent pipe for the kitchen sink. No signs of water coming from the roof so I’m wondering if it’s possible for the pipe to be leaking on the bends from back flow? It’s a pipe to provide air/gas venting, if excessive rain/water is getting in how problematic is that?

I checked the pipe outside and the flashing looks good but noticed the pipe doesn’t have any kind of cap and it’s right next to the solar panels on the downslope side and below the edge of the panel. And by checked I mean looked at from the ladder several feet away and I’m not climbing unto the wet roof in the rain to thoroughly investigate. That’ll be a job for Tuesday.

Could the water be running off the solar panel into the vent pipe and then leaking at the joints? It’s one of those older looking cone shaped vents that then has a straight pipe up out of it. How is the black PVC vent pipe connected to the flashing and external pipe normally?

(edited for phone typos).

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I’d probably open the wall to take a look what I’ve got for pipe to work with. Maybe it’s cleaner looking in person, but I hate judging pipe work with paint slopped all over it.

At the bottom does it elbow back again (third elbow) into the wall or go into the floor? It looks like it bends back into the wall.

The top elbow looks like a nice clean copper solder. The bottom, just looks funny to me, the pieces look to thick, like some sort of bubble gum job a prior owner did.

Don’t mind me, my home’s previous owner was a general contractor who apparently used whatever remnants to repair around here, if a fitting as four screws holding it, it’ll have three different kinds, a flat head, and two different Phillips head and possibly one of those star drive deck screws. I dread opening up things to find work the prior guy did.

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A lot of good observations above.

How much space do you have between the pipes and wall? Mine has about 6 inches, yours looks really cramped in the picture, like maybe an inch. The pressure regulator looks threaded but does look like there is not enough room to turn to thread.

I’d probably go with spdrun’s repack, otherwise redo the whole thing to make more serviceable.

Note: really glad to see all the great advice on the forums again.

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It doesn’t matter if the drought is over or not.

The water restrictions, water cops and everything else isn’t going away.

Mandates for green power.
Mandates for waste reduction.
Mandates for CO2 reductions.
Mandates for water reductions.

That’s all one giant $ gravy trough and you need to get in and slurp some up.

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Minor nit, if you want #3 you need more #5, so five should be three and three shall be five.

Plus #2 is good for number two and deuces are good for five that was the three.

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[quote=FlyerInHi]China is building military installations in the Pacific. Putin is winning.

TPP is dead so Pacific Rim countries can’t resist China.

With Trump, looks like the leader of the world will be Putin.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-puts-new-weapons-on-south-china-sea-islands-report-says/2016/12/15/c02f67e8-c2a1-11e6-aa03-f2e1260448ff_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_southchinasea-7a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.9aa7478d61e7

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-kremlin-likes-the-hacking-attention-but-not-the-blame/2016/12/14/65279738-c177-11e6-92e8-c07f4f671da4_story.html?utm_term=.cceb31faefbb%5B/quote%5D

Just for minor clarification, who has been President for the last 7 years, 10 months and 3 weeks and will be President for the next 5 weeks still?

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Hmm, cast to TV for monitor. Bluetooth wireless key board and mouse at the desk and a NAS on the home network.

Bye bye $150 laptop, hello $1000 phablet-comp.

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Four years of bickering and bitter partisanship followed by a boatload of Department Heads finding out they are relatively powerless to actually affect change as they want within the Government body as everything gets driven to the courts.

Kind of like Congress of Obstruction x2 followed up with Lawsuits of PACs.

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Presonally, I think the UPS, Fedex and USPS pevople are on the chopping block first.

Autonomous trucks with a robotic shelver (like in old tape libraries for computer backup), automatic sliding port doors on the roof and a set of recharging drone docking ports on the roof. The AI truck drives down the main road in the subdivision and the robo-shelver moves packages according to GPS coordinates to the loading platform. The drone (like a mini-cargo copter), picks it up, flys up and away over the houses to drop at the door of the designated house. The truck keeps rolling with multiple drones flying out over a radius of a couple miles (whatever works out economically).

The drones drop the package, notify via SMS Txt or email that the package is delivered and away it goes flying short cut over the houses back to the truck.

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[quote=flu]I think a lot of engineers that work on robotics, software, controls, and even mech e’s are going to have a promising future. US companies will be under pressure to keep manufacturing in the U.S. U.S. companies will take whatever tax incentives/government money they get and try to automate the crap out of their factories to stay competitive. They’ll need to hire brains who can build these systems, quickly, much more so than hiring people to work the assembly lines.[/quote]

Um, that was what I was doing back in 1991. An entire stamping plant for GM, assembly line replaced by robotic stamp machine. One crane operator moving metal rolls to the front of the stamp machine, another crane operator moving the finished panels to the loading drop point. Over 100 union workers per line sitting at picnic tables watching the machines work playing cards being paid because their contract wouldn’t let them be replaced by automation. No idea how many lines, it was one of those plants measured in tens of acres.

The next round of contract negotiations wasn’t pretty.

Fast forward to 2008, GM get’s bailed out by the Government, stock goes to zero, rebrands, relaunches and the union gets a 17.5% share of preferred stock paying 9%.

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[quote=ocrenter]Let’s not lump in a friendly phone call to Taiwan with Trump’s very real problems, such as his conflicts of interest, ill treatment of minorities, and pledges to “build the wall.” Rather than jumping to conclusions about whether something is good or bad, right or wrong, depending on what Trump thinks about it, I hope we can look at issue on their own terms.[/quote]

That’s the nutshell. Trump says it == bad, Trump doesn’t like it == “good”.

If it wasn’t so sad, I’d chuckle, but since I have a large contingent of friends still visible via facebook in the midwest, I get see one side sharing their fakenews praising Obama for ending the DAPL standoff while the other side sharing their fakenews about the America haters in the world getting an ass pucker by Trump naming ‘Mad Dog’.

All the while it seems more and more everyday like the world really does run like 1970s/1980s high school with jocks, geeks, bullies and popular cliques. The EU and America is being run by the nerdy kids and the rest of the world has the likes of Putin, Assad, Rousseff.

The Western leaders are planning a nice prom and acting like were all going to go sing kumbaya, solve climate change and be happy, but all the regular high school kids know somebody is getting pigs blood dumped on them.

Yea, it’s a cynical take and I’m sure it’s “much more complex”

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Yep, a lot like listening to a middle school girl rationalizing why she’s ostracizing Becky because Cindy Clique leader says so.

It really doesn’t matter what Trump does, the people complaining are going to complain.

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Whatever.

Seriously, the complicated, delicate, decades long diplomatic relations that Trump doesn’t get the nuances off frankly have all the look and issues of a middle school mean girls clique.

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I heard that in celebration of his inauguration victory on the 20th, that on the 21st, Putin was paying a State visit and the both of them along with Jeb Bush would be going to the Bush compound in Texas in capitulation of the old dynasty and all three would be riding stallions bare chested in the Texas sun.

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They’re childish too.

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