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August 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM in reply to: Can we start talking SERIOUSLY about qualified GOP candidates? #723045August 21, 2011 at 11:24 AM in reply to: Can we start talking SERIOUSLY about qualified GOP candidates? #723403
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Participant[quote=eavesdropper]
Sorry, jp and all, meant to include this link to an article in that inpenetrable bastion of conservative political thought, Rolling Stone magazine.
FWIW – I miss the columns PJ O’Rourke used to write for the Rolling Stone back when he was conservative and wickedly funny. He’s gotten more liberal as he’s gotten older, and doesn’t have the bite he once did . . .
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Participant[quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.
njtosd
Participant[quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.
njtosd
Participant[quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.
njtosd
Participant[quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.
njtosd
Participant[quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.
And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]
FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.
August 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM in reply to: ok: can someone tell me what good is left for the health care reform #719355njtosd
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Economies of scale are NOT working in insurance and big pharma. Look at Lipitor – it’s actually MORE expensive now, despite being one of the most prescribed meds out there. Shouldn’t it have gone down in price if true market forces were allowed to be in place?[/quote]
UCGal – Lipitor is still on patent, so it’s been insulated from “true market forces” and will be until November of this year. Notwithstanding that, Pfizer’s stock price is barely above what it was in 1997. Blame it on overbuying (Wyeth, etc.) or poor management, or whatever. But really – Lipitor (which was a revolutionary drug) is about $3 a day – as much as a cup of coffee and probably less than most people’s cable bills. From a value standpoint, if you have cardiovascular disease, it still seems like a good deal to me . . .
August 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM in reply to: ok: can someone tell me what good is left for the health care reform #719448njtosd
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Economies of scale are NOT working in insurance and big pharma. Look at Lipitor – it’s actually MORE expensive now, despite being one of the most prescribed meds out there. Shouldn’t it have gone down in price if true market forces were allowed to be in place?[/quote]
UCGal – Lipitor is still on patent, so it’s been insulated from “true market forces” and will be until November of this year. Notwithstanding that, Pfizer’s stock price is barely above what it was in 1997. Blame it on overbuying (Wyeth, etc.) or poor management, or whatever. But really – Lipitor (which was a revolutionary drug) is about $3 a day – as much as a cup of coffee and probably less than most people’s cable bills. From a value standpoint, if you have cardiovascular disease, it still seems like a good deal to me . . .
August 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM in reply to: ok: can someone tell me what good is left for the health care reform #720048njtosd
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Economies of scale are NOT working in insurance and big pharma. Look at Lipitor – it’s actually MORE expensive now, despite being one of the most prescribed meds out there. Shouldn’t it have gone down in price if true market forces were allowed to be in place?[/quote]
UCGal – Lipitor is still on patent, so it’s been insulated from “true market forces” and will be until November of this year. Notwithstanding that, Pfizer’s stock price is barely above what it was in 1997. Blame it on overbuying (Wyeth, etc.) or poor management, or whatever. But really – Lipitor (which was a revolutionary drug) is about $3 a day – as much as a cup of coffee and probably less than most people’s cable bills. From a value standpoint, if you have cardiovascular disease, it still seems like a good deal to me . . .
August 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM in reply to: ok: can someone tell me what good is left for the health care reform #720204njtosd
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Economies of scale are NOT working in insurance and big pharma. Look at Lipitor – it’s actually MORE expensive now, despite being one of the most prescribed meds out there. Shouldn’t it have gone down in price if true market forces were allowed to be in place?[/quote]
UCGal – Lipitor is still on patent, so it’s been insulated from “true market forces” and will be until November of this year. Notwithstanding that, Pfizer’s stock price is barely above what it was in 1997. Blame it on overbuying (Wyeth, etc.) or poor management, or whatever. But really – Lipitor (which was a revolutionary drug) is about $3 a day – as much as a cup of coffee and probably less than most people’s cable bills. From a value standpoint, if you have cardiovascular disease, it still seems like a good deal to me . . .
August 15, 2011 at 10:34 AM in reply to: ok: can someone tell me what good is left for the health care reform #720569njtosd
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Economies of scale are NOT working in insurance and big pharma. Look at Lipitor – it’s actually MORE expensive now, despite being one of the most prescribed meds out there. Shouldn’t it have gone down in price if true market forces were allowed to be in place?[/quote]
UCGal – Lipitor is still on patent, so it’s been insulated from “true market forces” and will be until November of this year. Notwithstanding that, Pfizer’s stock price is barely above what it was in 1997. Blame it on overbuying (Wyeth, etc.) or poor management, or whatever. But really – Lipitor (which was a revolutionary drug) is about $3 a day – as much as a cup of coffee and probably less than most people’s cable bills. From a value standpoint, if you have cardiovascular disease, it still seems like a good deal to me . . .
August 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM in reply to: OT — Article: “10 Reasons to Skip Expensive Colleges” #719443njtosd
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]My parents sent me to a private university in the state of NY and my tuition was roughly 19K a year (1994-1998). Room and board was reasonable because of location (senior year off campus house was 1200 for each semester Aug-Dec and Jan-May)
I would say that I got minimal value out of school. If anything, I learned street smarts over book smarts. Most of the tools I have today are from post collegiate studies. I cant wait to see what some of these schools cost when our daughter is nearing 18. I will be looking to relocate to a state with good state schools that are on the lower end of the tuition scale.[/quote]
Wait, don’t you live in California (judging from your screen name)? The state schools here are about the best for the price . . . UC tuition plus room and board this year was 29,000. Don’t know about CSU.
August 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM in reply to: OT — Article: “10 Reasons to Skip Expensive Colleges” #720043njtosd
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]My parents sent me to a private university in the state of NY and my tuition was roughly 19K a year (1994-1998). Room and board was reasonable because of location (senior year off campus house was 1200 for each semester Aug-Dec and Jan-May)
I would say that I got minimal value out of school. If anything, I learned street smarts over book smarts. Most of the tools I have today are from post collegiate studies. I cant wait to see what some of these schools cost when our daughter is nearing 18. I will be looking to relocate to a state with good state schools that are on the lower end of the tuition scale.[/quote]
Wait, don’t you live in California (judging from your screen name)? The state schools here are about the best for the price . . . UC tuition plus room and board this year was 29,000. Don’t know about CSU.
August 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM in reply to: OT — Article: “10 Reasons to Skip Expensive Colleges” #720199njtosd
Participant[quote=LAAFTERHOURS]My parents sent me to a private university in the state of NY and my tuition was roughly 19K a year (1994-1998). Room and board was reasonable because of location (senior year off campus house was 1200 for each semester Aug-Dec and Jan-May)
I would say that I got minimal value out of school. If anything, I learned street smarts over book smarts. Most of the tools I have today are from post collegiate studies. I cant wait to see what some of these schools cost when our daughter is nearing 18. I will be looking to relocate to a state with good state schools that are on the lower end of the tuition scale.[/quote]
Wait, don’t you live in California (judging from your screen name)? The state schools here are about the best for the price . . . UC tuition plus room and board this year was 29,000. Don’t know about CSU.
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