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February 18, 2015 at 11:13 PM in reply to: Best Option for Getting a Loan – And Purchasing Without an Agent #783165
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Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Carli, population in San Diego growing. We need to build housing/shopping.
Fundamentally, we differ. I say that One Paseo is not dense enough. I won’t get my wish, but I would prefer Mission Valley type density and large condo/apartments complexes mixed with 20 story buildings, all along the 56 corridor over sprawl to other parts of San Diego.
It’s perfectly OK for the city council to approve a variance to the zoning for the area. They grant variances that all the time.[/quote]
Brian – depends on the variance. Try getting a variance to build a feedlot in 4S Ranch. It depends on what the variance seeker wants – and lots of other factors.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]So the logical extension of your idea is to replace parts of San Diego with Kowloon walled cities? 🙂
I see no problem with encouraging Eastern-type “sprawl” where you have smaller individual houses (not McHouses) on a true network of streets, often with businesses and business centers mixed in. It’s the network aspect, as opposed to having only a few entrances from major roads, that does wonders for walkability and biking.[/quote]
Funny you should mention Kowloon. Hong kong is now one in the richest cities, most exiting world class cities, notwithsanding the history. I remember reading about the walled city in NYTimes. Similar history in NY and Chicago and Paris at different times.
Planning a city is about bold vision, not about protecting the quiet lives of some residents who don’t want change.[/quote]
Are you saying that Chicago was a walled city . . .? Only Fort Dearborn, perhaps at one time, and at that time it certainly wasn’t world class – just an outpost in a swamp. NY had a wall where Wall St. is, and by some accounts it was intended as a defense against the native americans. And, by the way, planning a city is NOT about bold vision. It is about being meticulous, reasonable and practical and the peaceful lives of the residents is an enormous factor (have you seen the movie “Up”?). Zandra Rhodes, who i love, is a designer with bold vision (and pink hair) – not an urban planner.
Participant[quote=spdrun]It’s not terribly complicated. Run a walking path between cul-de-sacs, along property lines. Big enough for bicycles and pedestrians, not big enough for cars.[/quote]
This is already true in Carmel Valley. Here’s one place: http://bit.ly/1L4zIkS
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]I agree, AN. If we want San Diego to become a world class city, we need density to accommodate the workforce to support companies in the golden triangle.
Tech companies employ graduates who come from all over the world, places where density is taken for granted.[/quote]
Have you noticed that biotech is migrating to SF even though it’s cheaper for the (already existing) workforce to live here? They go where the VC money is. Companies that are convenient for the Sandhill Rd investors to visit or learn of are getting funded. Take a look at this: http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/biotech/2015/01/illumina-ilmn-biomed-realty-trust-bmr-foster-city.html
Illumina was the poster child for San Diego based biotech. My understanding is that if it were not for the founder’s love of SD, they’d have moved already. Schering Plough (now part of Merck) left, Merck built a building that they never inhabited, Pfizer if shriveling up, etc. etc.
We’ve already got a bunch of people here who are well trained and unemployed – businesses locate themselves for many reasons – if they wanted a work force “[tell] them we already got one” (to quote Monty Python).
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
I have a female cousin who told me that men should not be modest. She likes men who talk in the hyperbole. Men who talk about shooting a thief who breaks in. Men who recount their sport exploits, or military or professional feats, even when it’s obvious they are stretching the truth, or already well past their glory days.[/quote]
Your cousin is the first woman I’ve heard of who feels this way. I think she must get a contact buzz from the self-aggrandizing. I’ve been married for a long time – but I used to find self serving lies/boasting a perfect reason to walk away. Especially talking about achievements when they are “well past their glory days.” It suggests that they don’t predict any future glory days …,
Participant[quote=peoplefirst]Any reader of this website should understand that housing is a matter of supply and demand. If supply is allowed to increase enough to meet demand, the price to buy or rent goes down and becomes more affordable.
Where to put this new housing? The new City General Plan says it should be multifamily housing grouped around “Village Centers” so that people can walk to work, stores, restaurants, and public transit. The plan says that where we don’t already have village centers, like Carmel Valley, we need to start building them.
We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. It also didn’t foresee that Carmel Valley would become an upscale neighborhood that would want an upscale mixed use shopping, not another dumbed strip mall.
One Paseo is good for the housing supply, for the environment, and for people; because it starts to build an upscale village center for Carmel Valley.[/quote]
And by the way, if the current plan were inadequate because it’s 40 yrs out of date I would have expected some group to come up with a comprehensive plan to change the entire area. As it is, Kilroy is just looking to cram as many sq ft as possible on this parcel of land so they can reap the profits. Any suggestion that this is “community minded” is absolutely ridiculous.
Participant[quote=peoplefirst]Any reader of this website should understand that housing is a matter of supply and demand. If supply is allowed to increase enough to meet demand, the price to buy or rent goes down and becomes more affordable.
Where to put this new housing? The new City General Plan says it should be multifamily housing grouped around “Village Centers” so that people can walk to work, stores, restaurants, and public transit. The plan says that where we don’t already have village centers, like Carmel Valley, we need to start building them.
We can’t follow the old 1975 zoning plan for Carmel Valley, it’s 40 years out of date. It assumes that residents will use cars to go everywhere forever. It also didn’t foresee that Carmel Valley would become an upscale neighborhood that would want an upscale mixed use shopping, not another dumbed strip mall.
One Paseo is good for the housing supply, for the environment, and for people; because it starts to build an upscale village center for Carmel Valley.[/quote]
Interesting – peoplefirst – you just registered for this board 8 hrs ago. From the rather “canned” sound of this post, you are either a politician or employed by Kilroy ….
Participant[quote=dumbrenter][quote=scaredyclassic]
yeah, why should anyone get to choose the number of kids they have. It’s outrageous. If your retirement requires us breeders to sire one litter per year so be. There shall be no further birthday control. Be fruitful and multiply! I assume you’ve been meeting your quota and not allowing any of that wonderful money seed to spill unfertilized…any guy jacking off could be a threat to my pocketbook![/quote]
Funny! but this is the ridiculous extent that things can be taken to with the same argument.
At the end of the day, aside from all the smugness and ‘idiot’ name-calling all the conservatives & liberals want one thing: control over your body & your mind… they just differ on which part.
It used to be pastors & clergy before, but they went out fashion, nothing else changed.[/quote]The saying in law school is something to the effect of “your right to swing your fist ends where the other guy’s nose starts.” I have no interest in controlling anyone except to the extent that they pose a risk to my children’s or my health. I’m curious as to what would happen if all of the anti-vaxxer kids had to go to the same school . . . My guess is that the vaccination rate in that school would go up. The anti-vaxxers are relying on the vaccinated to protect them from disease.
Participant[quote=zk][quote=dumbrenter]If you are vaccinated against measles, you would not get it anyway, right?[/quote]
No, not right. Thus voiding your point(s).[/quote]
Plus, even children who do get vaccinated do not reach maximum immunity until they are a few years old due to the need for multiple doses. It’s worse for premies. So zk is right “No, not right.”
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]Is the coastal commission involved?
I don’t think you sue the city council or coastal commission.
You would sue to stop the project because it violates some environmental laws. Or delay the project as long as possible hoping the developer would compromise or give up.[/quote]Look at my earlier post re: Okasaki v. Elk Grove. You do actually sue the city. I have heard nothing from the Coastal Commission on this, so I don’t think it is involved. Not sure how much such a lawsuit would cost – in any event there will probably be a number of lawsuits that get consolidated. The basis of the suit would be something like failure to follow the laws governing variances, abuse of power or something similar. The president of the city council is Sherri Lightner who represents district 1, which encompasses CV, so she is definitely motivated. We’ll see –
Participant[quote=CA renter]Again, I do not know whether or not these families were included in any kind of database. They were both complaining about the total lack of attention, from both the medical community and the government, given to their families and others like them. They were stonewalled by almost everyone they came into contact with. Their pediatricians didn’t just refuse to treat the children for their issues, they refused to do any research into why these children reacted they way they did within 24 hours of being vaccinated, and they refused to have ANY communications with the parents when the parents brought up their concerns; the same goes for any government agencies (including politicians, though I believe they did have one who was trying to be somewhat helpful) they had contacted for help.[/quote]
I think you get my point. And as a final one – I have a hard time seeing a conspiracy involving the vaccine manufacturers. Vaccines are not terribly profitable per dose, and the number of doses per person is, by design, about 1-3. If you wanted to fabricate data,, or cover up bad side effects, it would be vastly more profitable to do it in connection with something like allergy or pain meds that people take multiple times a day, not a few times in their lifetimes. Plus, most of the manufacturers aren’t even American companies (which is an issue in itself – but American companies are put off by the low profit/high drama nature of vaccines) so they are less susceptible to US government influence.
Participant[quote=CA renter][quote=njtosd]
Which reminds me of one other question that I had for CARenter. Is there a reliable database somewhere showing these “thousands” of children who have been harmed? Do they appear on the VAERS database? If so, what is the name of the symptom that they developed following their vaccination? If they are not in the database, are there thousands of letters from the CDC explaining why they were excluded, or even confirming that they were excluded?[/quote]I mention the thousands because back in the 90s when I was teaching, this was becoming a pretty big issue in the education field. Many articles were being written about these families. To the best of my limited knowledge, there were no major studies or databases of these patients at that time. Parents were complaining about the lack of attention/investment/research being done to find out why so many kids were experiencing such dramatic changes in such a short time after being vaccinated.
I met the two families I had mentioned in the early-mid 2000s, and they were still frustrated with the lack of attention being paid by the medical establishment and the government. In all three cases (in two families), the diagnosis was autism, with two being severely autistic and one with a mild-moderate form. I have no idea if they’ve been included in that VAERS database, but don’t believe they were included in any database at that time.[/quote]
The VAERS database has been in place since 1990. Anyone can make a report – in fact, if you go here: https://vaers.hhs.gov/esub/index
there is the following invitation in bold and larger size letters:“Please report all significant adverse events that occur after vaccination of adults and children, even if you are not sure whether the vaccine caused the adverse event.”
In smaller letters it goes on to say: “The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) accepts all reports, including reports of vaccination errors.”
So, one would expect that all of these events would have been reported.
Participant[quote=EconProf]
People are naturally suspicious of change, and that is what makes us all NIMBYs. Developers are automatically seen as the bad guys, and we can all cite instances to back up our beliefs.
However, density is actually environmentally more friendly than SFRs. And if the project is designed correctly, where you can walk to shopping and entertainment, an increasing subset of the population actually wants such a neighborhood. Look at the popularity of living in downtown San Diego–an alien concept just 20 years ago. Those residents take pride in not needing 2-3 cars per household, and they get more exercise than typical suburbanites. Add the fact that millenials are no longer lusting for a SFR as soon as they can afford it, and you have a recipe for a development that may be in high demand.[/quote]But the push for One Paseo is in large part due to its proximity to I-5. In general the facilities are not meant to benefit local residents and the traffic impacts are projected to be enormous. It’s a desirable school district – which will cause families to move into the proposed housing, but there is no provision for a new school, or even a suggestion as to where a school could be built.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]The City Council has the authority to approve variances to zoning.
Lawsuits would likely be based on state laws requiring environmental impact reviews, etc…[/quote]
Looking into it a bit more it looks like you have to file a petition for a writ of administrative mandamus within 90 days of the granting of the variance. So if One Paseo is approved whatever happens will happen quickly.
Okasaki v. City of Elk Grove – http://bit.ly/17cpClB
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