OT: Rand Paul is an idiot

[scaredyclassic]

come on, it’s just one measly little shot.

[Coronita]

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Am trying to make sense of your words….
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Good, because it’s exactly how I’m trying to interpret your words.

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My point was that if everybody has to be forced to do something for zk’s kid to be prevented from measles, the same should apply for allergies and maybe some other items too.
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Whoa. You’re making an comparison between something that is contagious (ie measles) versus something that isn’t. Kid’s allergy isn’t “contagious”.

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Not sure what this has to do with school tables? Are you suggesting that kids who do not get vaccinated be separated from the kids who do?
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Yes. And that’s exactly what they do when someone has a peanut allergy in the classroom. Since there are plenty of people affected by this, schools go out of their way to ensure those affected by peanut allergy have a “safe” environment, both in the classroom and at the lunch tables. That’s why classrooms with kids that have peanut allergy typically ban all nut related foods in the classroom, even if your kid doesn’t have a nut allergy. It’s also why in the lunch areas, there are tables specifically designated for people with nut allergies.

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A woman’s right to choose DOES have an impact on my future well-being in terms of future tax receipts and my social security payments. Let’s be honest about how the right to choose is affecting the demographics. My comparison was that while we are at poking people whether they like it or not, how about doing the same the right to choose?[/quote]

Oh please. None of this affects your health. How well/not well you retire has more to do with how well you personally manage your money. Someone getting an abortion is not going to create a disease outbreak. You’re really stretching here.

[Coronita]

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[scaredyclassic]

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Am trying to make sense of your words….
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Good, because it’s exactly how I’m trying to interpret your words.

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My point was that if everybody has to be forced to do something for zk’s kid to be prevented from measles, the same should apply for allergies and maybe some other items too.
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Whoa. You’re making an comparison between something that is contagious (ie measles) versus something that isn’t. Kid’s allergy isn’t “contagious”.

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Not sure what this has to do with school tables? Are you suggesting that kids who do not get vaccinated be separated from the kids who do?
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Yes. And that’s exactly what they do when someone has a peanut allergy in the classroom. Since there are plenty of people affected by this, schools go out of their way to ensure those affected by peanut allergy have a “safe” environment, both in the classroom and at the lunch tables. That’s why classrooms with kids that have peanut allergy typically ban all nut related foods in the classroom, even if your kid doesn’t have a nut allergy. It’s also why in the lunch areas, there are tables specifically designated for people with nut allergies.

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A woman’s right to choose DOES have an impact on my future well-being in terms of future tax receipts and my social security payments. Let’s be honest about how the right to choose is affecting the demographics. My comparison was that while we are at poking people whether they like it or not, how about doing the same the right to choose?[/quote]

Oh please. None of this affects your health. How well/not well you retire has more to do with how well you personally manage your money. Someone getting an abortion is not going to create a disease outbreak. You’re really stretching here.[/quote]

yeah, why should anyone get to choose the number of kids they have. It’s outrageous. If your retirement requires us breeders to sire one litter per year so be. There shall be no further birthday control. Be fruitful and multiply! I assume you’ve been meeting your quota and not allowing any of that wonderful money seed to spill unfertilized…any guy jacking off could be a threat to my pocketbook!

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=dumbrenter]Funny that those that argue that women should have control over their bodies turn around and want needles to be poked into everyone else.[/quote]
Actually, the Anti-Vax community is an odd hodgepodge of the far left and far right. They tend to be very white and fairly affluent with access to good health care; poor minorities are more likely to be behind on vaccinations when entering school without intent.

It’s actually most of us in the relative middle that support mandatory vaccinations.

[Anonymous]

[quote=scaredyclassic]yeah, why should anyone get to choose the number of kids they have. It’s outrageous. If your retirement requires us breeders to sire one litter per year so be. There shall be no further birthday control. Be fruitful and multiply! I assume you’ve been meeting your quota and not allowing any of that wonderful money seed to spill unfertilized…any guy jacking off could be a threat to my pocketbook![/quote]

Reminds me of that Woody Allen movie, which was funny but not so funny any more because, well, Woody Allen.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

yeah, why should anyone get to choose the number of kids they have. It’s outrageous. If your retirement requires us breeders to sire one litter per year so be. There shall be no further birthday control. Be fruitful and multiply! I assume you’ve been meeting your quota and not allowing any of that wonderful money seed to spill unfertilized…any guy jacking off could be a threat to my pocketbook![/quote]

Funny! but this is the ridiculous extent that things can be taken to with the same argument.
At the end of the day, aside from all the smugness and ‘idiot’ name-calling all the conservatives & liberals want one thing: control over your body & your mind… they just differ on which part.
It used to be pastors & clergy before, but they went out fashion, nothing else changed.

[dumbrenter]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=dumbrenter]Funny that those that argue that women should have control over their bodies turn around and want needles to be poked into everyone else.[/quote]
Actually, the Anti-Vax community is an odd hodgepodge of the far left and far right. They tend to be very white and fairly affluent with access to good health care; poor minorities are more likely to be behind on vaccinations when entering school without intent.

It’s actually most of us in the relative middle that support mandatory vaccinations.[/quote]

That is true. But the same applies to the militant mandatory poke-all-kids community too.
I found this illuminating: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/get-silicon-valleys-unvaccinated-change-minds/

[njtosd]

[quote=dumbrenter][quote=scaredyclassic]

yeah, why should anyone get to choose the number of kids they have. It’s outrageous. If your retirement requires us breeders to sire one litter per year so be. There shall be no further birthday control. Be fruitful and multiply! I assume you’ve been meeting your quota and not allowing any of that wonderful money seed to spill unfertilized…any guy jacking off could be a threat to my pocketbook![/quote]

Funny! but this is the ridiculous extent that things can be taken to with the same argument.
At the end of the day, aside from all the smugness and ‘idiot’ name-calling all the conservatives & liberals want one thing: control over your body & your mind… they just differ on which part.
It used to be pastors & clergy before, but they went out fashion, nothing else changed.[/quote]

The saying in law school is something to the effect of “your right to swing your fist ends where the other guy’s nose starts.” I have no interest in controlling anyone except to the extent that they pose a risk to my children’s or my health. I’m curious as to what would happen if all of the anti-vaxxer kids had to go to the same school . . . My guess is that the vaccination rate in that school would go up. The anti-vaxxers are relying on the vaccinated to protect them from disease.

[FlyerInHi]

We don’t need to force poke anyone with a needle. Just require proof of vaccination for access to certain benefits like schools, colleges, etc..

[all]

[quote=FlyerInHi]We don’t need to force poke anyone with a needle. Just require proof of vaccination for access to certain benefits like schools, colleges, etc..[/quote]
And Disneyland.

[paramount]

My Body, My Choice: Informed Consent

“Discrimination begins, always, with the majority in a society pointing the finger at a minority for somehow endangering the public health and welfare. Individuals in the minority group are singled out as different – ethnically, biologically, spiritually, morally – from the majority.

The human impulse to fear, judge, marginalize or eliminate those different from the rest has left a blood soaked trail winding throughout the entire history of man…”

The definitive video on vaccines with Dr. Weinberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNkaROF4s0

[zk]

[quote=paramount]My Body, My Choice: Informed Consent

“Discrimination begins, always, with the majority in a society pointing the finger at a minority for somehow endangering the public health and welfare. Individuals in the minority group are singled out as different – ethnically, biologically, spiritually, morally – from the majority.

The human impulse to fear, judge, marginalize or eliminate those different from the rest has left a blood soaked trail winding throughout the entire history of man…”

The definitive video on vaccines with Dr. Weinberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNkaROF4s0%5B/quote%5D

Equating mandatory vaccines with discrimination is pure nonsense. Discrimination doesn’t “[begin], always, with the majority in a society pointing the finger at a minority for somehow endangering the public health and welfare.” And, even if it did, that wouldn’t mean that everything that began with society pointing a finger at a minority for endangering public health would be discrimination.

The faulty logic and assumptions continue from there.

[zk]

[quote=zk]And, even if it did, that wouldn’t mean that everything that began with society pointing a finger at a minority for endangering public health would be discrimination.

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…or even a bad thing, necessarily.

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