[Navydoc]

[quote=AN]My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.[/quote]

I think you missed the point of my response. I was reacting to the Ron Paul statement that he never saw an abortion that was necessary to save the mother’s life. They absolutely do happen. You may not know this, but I’m a high risk pregnancy subspecialist, and maintaining healthy pregnancies in women with medical conditions is actually my job. Unfortunately there are times when aborting a healthy fetus IS necessary to protect the mother’s life. Don’t misunderstand me, I detest the concept of abortion, and some of the procedures I’ve performed have left me personally scarred, but the procedure MUST remain legal. I have no interest in placing my professional future at the whim of a court because I perfomed an illegal procedure. What you said about Planned Parenthood is absolutely correct, and the pre-procedure counseling those patients receive can be extremely suspect, especially considering it’s fee for service care.

And there are some people out there who are pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I consider the two concepts completely unrelated.

[Navydoc]

[quote=AN]My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.[/quote]

I think you missed the point of my response. I was reacting to the Ron Paul statement that he never saw an abortion that was necessary to save the mother’s life. They absolutely do happen. You may not know this, but I’m a high risk pregnancy subspecialist, and maintaining healthy pregnancies in women with medical conditions is actually my job. Unfortunately there are times when aborting a healthy fetus IS necessary to protect the mother’s life. Don’t misunderstand me, I detest the concept of abortion, and some of the procedures I’ve performed have left me personally scarred, but the procedure MUST remain legal. I have no interest in placing my professional future at the whim of a court because I perfomed an illegal procedure. What you said about Planned Parenthood is absolutely correct, and the pre-procedure counseling those patients receive can be extremely suspect, especially considering it’s fee for service care.

And there are some people out there who are pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I consider the two concepts completely unrelated.

[Navydoc]

[quote=AN]My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.[/quote]

I think you missed the point of my response. I was reacting to the Ron Paul statement that he never saw an abortion that was necessary to save the mother’s life. They absolutely do happen. You may not know this, but I’m a high risk pregnancy subspecialist, and maintaining healthy pregnancies in women with medical conditions is actually my job. Unfortunately there are times when aborting a healthy fetus IS necessary to protect the mother’s life. Don’t misunderstand me, I detest the concept of abortion, and some of the procedures I’ve performed have left me personally scarred, but the procedure MUST remain legal. I have no interest in placing my professional future at the whim of a court because I perfomed an illegal procedure. What you said about Planned Parenthood is absolutely correct, and the pre-procedure counseling those patients receive can be extremely suspect, especially considering it’s fee for service care.

And there are some people out there who are pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I consider the two concepts completely unrelated.

[Navydoc]

[quote=AN]My questions to Navydoc is, how many tomb stones can you point to of mothers that died because they didn’t have an abortion vs how many tomb stones you can point to of babies who were aborted who would have grown up to be healthy adults?

I always find it funny that those who are pro choice tend to be anti death penalty and those who are pro life tend to be pro death penalty.[/quote]

I think you missed the point of my response. I was reacting to the Ron Paul statement that he never saw an abortion that was necessary to save the mother’s life. They absolutely do happen. You may not know this, but I’m a high risk pregnancy subspecialist, and maintaining healthy pregnancies in women with medical conditions is actually my job. Unfortunately there are times when aborting a healthy fetus IS necessary to protect the mother’s life. Don’t misunderstand me, I detest the concept of abortion, and some of the procedures I’ve performed have left me personally scarred, but the procedure MUST remain legal. I have no interest in placing my professional future at the whim of a court because I perfomed an illegal procedure. What you said about Planned Parenthood is absolutely correct, and the pre-procedure counseling those patients receive can be extremely suspect, especially considering it’s fee for service care.

And there are some people out there who are pro-choice and pro-death penalty. I consider the two concepts completely unrelated.

[Navydoc]

[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.

And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]

FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]

Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.

I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.

This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.

[Navydoc]

[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.

And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]

FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]

Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.

I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.

This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.

[Navydoc]

[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.

And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]

FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]

Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.

I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.

This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.

[Navydoc]

[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.

And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]

FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]

Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.

I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.

This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.

[Navydoc]

[quote=njtosd][quote=jpinpb]I just have such a hard time seriously considering Ron Paul mostly b/c of his stand on abortion.

And during his years in medicine, never once did he find an abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

Off the top of my head, molar pregnancy comes to mind. [/quote]

FWIW – a molar pregnancy does not result in a fetus, but an unformed cluster of cells. Removal of the mass would not be considered an abortion, because there would be no fetus to abort. A better example of a pregnancy that would compromise the mother’s health would be an ectopic pregnancy or preeclampsia/eclampsia occurring prior to the date that a fetus could be successfully delivered by C-section.[/quote]

Not quite true- there are two kinds of molar pregnancy. A complete mole is as you’ve described, no fetus, the pregnancy is made up entirely of chorion. The other type, a partial mole DOES include a fetus, usually abnormal with a triploid chromosome pattern. Both types of moles are potentially life threatening and need to be terminated, but the incomplete moles are much harder to convince a patient about the need to terminate, as she can often see a heartbeat on the ultrasound.

I realize RP was likely a general OB/GYN when he was practicing, but I would like to have introduced him to the patient I took care of with pulmonary hypertension with twins. She refused to terminate despite multiple warnings of her likely high mortality. I can’t introduce her to him now, but I can point him at her tombstone. The babies didn’t make it either.

This discussion has absolutely no place in the political realm, an I find it completely sickening that it is used for political ends.

[Navydoc]

Could you go upstairs in the San Clemente model yet? I was wondering how cool the view from above was, which is the one most owners will live with, especially down into the dining area. I wish I could see the models now. I’m sure there’s a huge difference from 2 weeks ago.

[Navydoc]

Could you go upstairs in the San Clemente model yet? I was wondering how cool the view from above was, which is the one most owners will live with, especially down into the dining area. I wish I could see the models now. I’m sure there’s a huge difference from 2 weeks ago.

[Navydoc]

Could you go upstairs in the San Clemente model yet? I was wondering how cool the view from above was, which is the one most owners will live with, especially down into the dining area. I wish I could see the models now. I’m sure there’s a huge difference from 2 weeks ago.

[Navydoc]

Could you go upstairs in the San Clemente model yet? I was wondering how cool the view from above was, which is the one most owners will live with, especially down into the dining area. I wish I could see the models now. I’m sure there’s a huge difference from 2 weeks ago.

[Navydoc]

Could you go upstairs in the San Clemente model yet? I was wondering how cool the view from above was, which is the one most owners will live with, especially down into the dining area. I wish I could see the models now. I’m sure there’s a huge difference from 2 weeks ago.

[Navydoc]

Oh don’t worry, I have factored in the landscaping costs and the maintainance on a large lot. I’m not new to San Diego, I lived there for 4 years during residency, then again in LA during fellowship. I remember being quite shocked at my first water bill as an intern. Every area has costs. I’ll wager my electricity and heating bills are double what they would be on a similar sized property in San Diego. Last year I spent $1300 to remove 4 dead trees on my property, one of which was at least 100 feet tall and I was afraid it was going to fall on the house.

We have strongly considered Poway, and those homes can be on very nice sized lots, but anything we really like on the market right now would need some fairly extensive renovation, and I think I dealt with that adequately in my last post. Also, the commute would be a bit longer. Don’t get me wrong, we havn’t totally ruled out the possibilty of purchasing an existing property, but I’m currently finding the idea of new construction quite attractive.

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