[Navydoc]

He wouldn’t need privileges at Kaiser. They dont get involved until AFTER she is pregnant. The typical MO for an infertility specialist is to help the patient conceive, then she goes and finds her own obstetrician and the infertility doc is not involved in the prenatal care at all. In fact it is my experience when an REI (repro-endo-infertility) doc takes over a labor and delivery board they get a decided “deer in the headlights” look. L&D ain’t for everyone.

I generally have a great deal of respect for reproductive endocrinologists; they care for a traditionally difficult patient population, and have achieved amazing things in recent years. Having been an infertility patient myslf, I know how challenging this diagnosis is. That being said, few things in OB/GYN have caused as much trouble as infertility treatment, and the more babies there are, the more trouble you can expect. The gestational age she achieved is absolutely miraculous with 8 fetuses. I’d be impressed if she only had triplets and she delivered at 30+ weeks. As I stated in my previous post, few very high order gestations make it to viability. I have delivered PLENTY of pre-viable multiples only to have the infants survive a few hours, and a have a tear-stained patient go home the next day. Another complication with this many embryos is a potentially life-threatening over-stimulation of the ovaries. As an earlier poster said “she should get punched in the ovaries”. I assure you, she already has been.

I am not too surprised our doctor in this case is not board certified, but I wouldn’t read that much into it, as neither am I yet. I still have to pass my general OB/GYN oral boards, and my Maternal Fetal Medicine boards, both will hopefully be completed in the next 2 years. It takes an incredibly long time to become a doctor, and even longer if you want to subspecialize.

Having known something of this woman prior to delivery, I absolutely knew she was going to devolve very quickly from media sensation to pariah. I’m just so sorry the California taxpayers get to pay the bills. I guess I’m glad I don’t pay California taxes.

[Navydoc]

He wouldn’t need privileges at Kaiser. They dont get involved until AFTER she is pregnant. The typical MO for an infertility specialist is to help the patient conceive, then she goes and finds her own obstetrician and the infertility doc is not involved in the prenatal care at all. In fact it is my experience when an REI (repro-endo-infertility) doc takes over a labor and delivery board they get a decided “deer in the headlights” look. L&D ain’t for everyone.

I generally have a great deal of respect for reproductive endocrinologists; they care for a traditionally difficult patient population, and have achieved amazing things in recent years. Having been an infertility patient myslf, I know how challenging this diagnosis is. That being said, few things in OB/GYN have caused as much trouble as infertility treatment, and the more babies there are, the more trouble you can expect. The gestational age she achieved is absolutely miraculous with 8 fetuses. I’d be impressed if she only had triplets and she delivered at 30+ weeks. As I stated in my previous post, few very high order gestations make it to viability. I have delivered PLENTY of pre-viable multiples only to have the infants survive a few hours, and a have a tear-stained patient go home the next day. Another complication with this many embryos is a potentially life-threatening over-stimulation of the ovaries. As an earlier poster said “she should get punched in the ovaries”. I assure you, she already has been.

I am not too surprised our doctor in this case is not board certified, but I wouldn’t read that much into it, as neither am I yet. I still have to pass my general OB/GYN oral boards, and my Maternal Fetal Medicine boards, both will hopefully be completed in the next 2 years. It takes an incredibly long time to become a doctor, and even longer if you want to subspecialize.

Having known something of this woman prior to delivery, I absolutely knew she was going to devolve very quickly from media sensation to pariah. I’m just so sorry the California taxpayers get to pay the bills. I guess I’m glad I don’t pay California taxes.

[Navydoc]

He wouldn’t need privileges at Kaiser. They dont get involved until AFTER she is pregnant. The typical MO for an infertility specialist is to help the patient conceive, then she goes and finds her own obstetrician and the infertility doc is not involved in the prenatal care at all. In fact it is my experience when an REI (repro-endo-infertility) doc takes over a labor and delivery board they get a decided “deer in the headlights” look. L&D ain’t for everyone.

I generally have a great deal of respect for reproductive endocrinologists; they care for a traditionally difficult patient population, and have achieved amazing things in recent years. Having been an infertility patient myslf, I know how challenging this diagnosis is. That being said, few things in OB/GYN have caused as much trouble as infertility treatment, and the more babies there are, the more trouble you can expect. The gestational age she achieved is absolutely miraculous with 8 fetuses. I’d be impressed if she only had triplets and she delivered at 30+ weeks. As I stated in my previous post, few very high order gestations make it to viability. I have delivered PLENTY of pre-viable multiples only to have the infants survive a few hours, and a have a tear-stained patient go home the next day. Another complication with this many embryos is a potentially life-threatening over-stimulation of the ovaries. As an earlier poster said “she should get punched in the ovaries”. I assure you, she already has been.

I am not too surprised our doctor in this case is not board certified, but I wouldn’t read that much into it, as neither am I yet. I still have to pass my general OB/GYN oral boards, and my Maternal Fetal Medicine boards, both will hopefully be completed in the next 2 years. It takes an incredibly long time to become a doctor, and even longer if you want to subspecialize.

Having known something of this woman prior to delivery, I absolutely knew she was going to devolve very quickly from media sensation to pariah. I’m just so sorry the California taxpayers get to pay the bills. I guess I’m glad I don’t pay California taxes.

[Navydoc]

He wouldn’t need privileges at Kaiser. They dont get involved until AFTER she is pregnant. The typical MO for an infertility specialist is to help the patient conceive, then she goes and finds her own obstetrician and the infertility doc is not involved in the prenatal care at all. In fact it is my experience when an REI (repro-endo-infertility) doc takes over a labor and delivery board they get a decided “deer in the headlights” look. L&D ain’t for everyone.

I generally have a great deal of respect for reproductive endocrinologists; they care for a traditionally difficult patient population, and have achieved amazing things in recent years. Having been an infertility patient myslf, I know how challenging this diagnosis is. That being said, few things in OB/GYN have caused as much trouble as infertility treatment, and the more babies there are, the more trouble you can expect. The gestational age she achieved is absolutely miraculous with 8 fetuses. I’d be impressed if she only had triplets and she delivered at 30+ weeks. As I stated in my previous post, few very high order gestations make it to viability. I have delivered PLENTY of pre-viable multiples only to have the infants survive a few hours, and a have a tear-stained patient go home the next day. Another complication with this many embryos is a potentially life-threatening over-stimulation of the ovaries. As an earlier poster said “she should get punched in the ovaries”. I assure you, she already has been.

I am not too surprised our doctor in this case is not board certified, but I wouldn’t read that much into it, as neither am I yet. I still have to pass my general OB/GYN oral boards, and my Maternal Fetal Medicine boards, both will hopefully be completed in the next 2 years. It takes an incredibly long time to become a doctor, and even longer if you want to subspecialize.

Having known something of this woman prior to delivery, I absolutely knew she was going to devolve very quickly from media sensation to pariah. I’m just so sorry the California taxpayers get to pay the bills. I guess I’m glad I don’t pay California taxes.

[Navydoc]

I have to weigh in on this one, as I am a LOT closer to this story than anyone here. Kaiser Bellflower is just down the 405 from here, and while I wasn’t part of the delivery, our residents rotate through there, and one of our residents was. In addition, I’m completing a fellowship for high-risk obstetrics and will be caring for women like her.

The doctor who placed these six embryos (and it was six, not eight, at least two of the embryos split resulting in identical twins) should have his license pulled IMO. Absolutely unconscionable placing that many embryos in a 33 year old woman. tha problem we have here is that reproductive endocrinology is one of the last bastions of medicine where you can make BIG BUCKS, as it is mainly an all-cash deal. If you pay, you can play. Almost no regulation at all. In my opinion, if a patient was not willing to consider a selective reduction to twins there is no way I would implant more than 3 embryos. But clearly that question was never asked.

What really drives me nuts over these higher order multiples that get all the press is that they never discuss how many of these deliver before ANY of the babies are viable, which is a much larger number than the ones that get to take babies home.

I have more I would like to say on this, but I just got paged for a C-section. Will be back later.

[Navydoc]

I have to weigh in on this one, as I am a LOT closer to this story than anyone here. Kaiser Bellflower is just down the 405 from here, and while I wasn’t part of the delivery, our residents rotate through there, and one of our residents was. In addition, I’m completing a fellowship for high-risk obstetrics and will be caring for women like her.

The doctor who placed these six embryos (and it was six, not eight, at least two of the embryos split resulting in identical twins) should have his license pulled IMO. Absolutely unconscionable placing that many embryos in a 33 year old woman. tha problem we have here is that reproductive endocrinology is one of the last bastions of medicine where you can make BIG BUCKS, as it is mainly an all-cash deal. If you pay, you can play. Almost no regulation at all. In my opinion, if a patient was not willing to consider a selective reduction to twins there is no way I would implant more than 3 embryos. But clearly that question was never asked.

What really drives me nuts over these higher order multiples that get all the press is that they never discuss how many of these deliver before ANY of the babies are viable, which is a much larger number than the ones that get to take babies home.

I have more I would like to say on this, but I just got paged for a C-section. Will be back later.

[Navydoc]

I have to weigh in on this one, as I am a LOT closer to this story than anyone here. Kaiser Bellflower is just down the 405 from here, and while I wasn’t part of the delivery, our residents rotate through there, and one of our residents was. In addition, I’m completing a fellowship for high-risk obstetrics and will be caring for women like her.

The doctor who placed these six embryos (and it was six, not eight, at least two of the embryos split resulting in identical twins) should have his license pulled IMO. Absolutely unconscionable placing that many embryos in a 33 year old woman. tha problem we have here is that reproductive endocrinology is one of the last bastions of medicine where you can make BIG BUCKS, as it is mainly an all-cash deal. If you pay, you can play. Almost no regulation at all. In my opinion, if a patient was not willing to consider a selective reduction to twins there is no way I would implant more than 3 embryos. But clearly that question was never asked.

What really drives me nuts over these higher order multiples that get all the press is that they never discuss how many of these deliver before ANY of the babies are viable, which is a much larger number than the ones that get to take babies home.

I have more I would like to say on this, but I just got paged for a C-section. Will be back later.

[Navydoc]

I have to weigh in on this one, as I am a LOT closer to this story than anyone here. Kaiser Bellflower is just down the 405 from here, and while I wasn’t part of the delivery, our residents rotate through there, and one of our residents was. In addition, I’m completing a fellowship for high-risk obstetrics and will be caring for women like her.

The doctor who placed these six embryos (and it was six, not eight, at least two of the embryos split resulting in identical twins) should have his license pulled IMO. Absolutely unconscionable placing that many embryos in a 33 year old woman. tha problem we have here is that reproductive endocrinology is one of the last bastions of medicine where you can make BIG BUCKS, as it is mainly an all-cash deal. If you pay, you can play. Almost no regulation at all. In my opinion, if a patient was not willing to consider a selective reduction to twins there is no way I would implant more than 3 embryos. But clearly that question was never asked.

What really drives me nuts over these higher order multiples that get all the press is that they never discuss how many of these deliver before ANY of the babies are viable, which is a much larger number than the ones that get to take babies home.

I have more I would like to say on this, but I just got paged for a C-section. Will be back later.

[Navydoc]

I have to weigh in on this one, as I am a LOT closer to this story than anyone here. Kaiser Bellflower is just down the 405 from here, and while I wasn’t part of the delivery, our residents rotate through there, and one of our residents was. In addition, I’m completing a fellowship for high-risk obstetrics and will be caring for women like her.

The doctor who placed these six embryos (and it was six, not eight, at least two of the embryos split resulting in identical twins) should have his license pulled IMO. Absolutely unconscionable placing that many embryos in a 33 year old woman. tha problem we have here is that reproductive endocrinology is one of the last bastions of medicine where you can make BIG BUCKS, as it is mainly an all-cash deal. If you pay, you can play. Almost no regulation at all. In my opinion, if a patient was not willing to consider a selective reduction to twins there is no way I would implant more than 3 embryos. But clearly that question was never asked.

What really drives me nuts over these higher order multiples that get all the press is that they never discuss how many of these deliver before ANY of the babies are viable, which is a much larger number than the ones that get to take babies home.

I have more I would like to say on this, but I just got paged for a C-section. Will be back later.

[Navydoc]

[quote=PeonInChief]I think the JAG attorney is wrong–the lender has to give you 60-days’ notice after the Trustee Sale. [/quote]

Isn’t that just what he said? If my post doesn’t convey that I apologize for my vagueness. And the legal assistance is free, just as free as my obstetric care would be if his wife came in in labor. 🙂
He did say he would try to negotiate the best deal possible for my circumstances, shoud a NOT be taped to the door.

I’m not sure the landlord has given up quite yet. I think the lender is working under the assumption that it is owner occupied, as the NOD had the landlord’s name identified at my address. Imagine using something as arcane as a mortgage document that states the place is owner occupied to make such an idiotic assumption!

[Navydoc]

[quote=PeonInChief]I think the JAG attorney is wrong–the lender has to give you 60-days’ notice after the Trustee Sale. [/quote]

Isn’t that just what he said? If my post doesn’t convey that I apologize for my vagueness. And the legal assistance is free, just as free as my obstetric care would be if his wife came in in labor. 🙂
He did say he would try to negotiate the best deal possible for my circumstances, shoud a NOT be taped to the door.

I’m not sure the landlord has given up quite yet. I think the lender is working under the assumption that it is owner occupied, as the NOD had the landlord’s name identified at my address. Imagine using something as arcane as a mortgage document that states the place is owner occupied to make such an idiotic assumption!

[Navydoc]

[quote=PeonInChief]I think the JAG attorney is wrong–the lender has to give you 60-days’ notice after the Trustee Sale. [/quote]

Isn’t that just what he said? If my post doesn’t convey that I apologize for my vagueness. And the legal assistance is free, just as free as my obstetric care would be if his wife came in in labor. 🙂
He did say he would try to negotiate the best deal possible for my circumstances, shoud a NOT be taped to the door.

I’m not sure the landlord has given up quite yet. I think the lender is working under the assumption that it is owner occupied, as the NOD had the landlord’s name identified at my address. Imagine using something as arcane as a mortgage document that states the place is owner occupied to make such an idiotic assumption!

[Navydoc]

[quote=PeonInChief]I think the JAG attorney is wrong–the lender has to give you 60-days’ notice after the Trustee Sale. [/quote]

Isn’t that just what he said? If my post doesn’t convey that I apologize for my vagueness. And the legal assistance is free, just as free as my obstetric care would be if his wife came in in labor. 🙂
He did say he would try to negotiate the best deal possible for my circumstances, shoud a NOT be taped to the door.

I’m not sure the landlord has given up quite yet. I think the lender is working under the assumption that it is owner occupied, as the NOD had the landlord’s name identified at my address. Imagine using something as arcane as a mortgage document that states the place is owner occupied to make such an idiotic assumption!

[Navydoc]

[quote=PeonInChief]I think the JAG attorney is wrong–the lender has to give you 60-days’ notice after the Trustee Sale. [/quote]

Isn’t that just what he said? If my post doesn’t convey that I apologize for my vagueness. And the legal assistance is free, just as free as my obstetric care would be if his wife came in in labor. 🙂
He did say he would try to negotiate the best deal possible for my circumstances, shoud a NOT be taped to the door.

I’m not sure the landlord has given up quite yet. I think the lender is working under the assumption that it is owner occupied, as the NOD had the landlord’s name identified at my address. Imagine using something as arcane as a mortgage document that states the place is owner occupied to make such an idiotic assumption!

[Navydoc]

Met with a JAG attorney today. Definitely worth the trip up to Ventura to do it. He reiterated much of what was stated in this thread, especially about the 60 day rent-free period which kicks in immediately after the trustee sale. He also said they can put considerable pressure on the lender to try to keep me in the place until I PCS in the summer (that’s permanent change of station for you non-military types). There is a new provision that states if I get foreclosed out from under me the Navy will pay for the move, which I think was mentioned somewhere above, but will still be a pain. Basically I have a negotiating point of contact with the full weight of the Navy behind him, which is a fairly good position to be in.

I called the landlord today to make arrangements to pick up this month’s check, but they didn’t call me back yet. I imagine they need this money pretty badly, unless they have decided to walk away.

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