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[quote=Russell]If there was anyone who could threaten to make that kind of equality nearly universal he would be killed.[/quote]

Interesting observation.

[KSMountain]

[quote=Russell]If there was anyone who could threaten to make that kind of equality nearly universal he would be killed.[/quote]

Interesting observation.

[KSMountain]

SK was pretty hard on people earlier in the thread, so I felt a little examination of SK’s position was warranted.

SK also said he/she had no idea what my point was, so I tried to clarify.

I have no issue with generosity and charity. At all. I donate.

I have more of an issue when people’s utopian desires for a world without pain or want, and an inability or unwillingness to consider the practical limits of our budget (which is negative at the moment btw), cause them to advocate policies that aren’t tenable.

Also sometimes people don’t consider the consequences of the full expression of their ideas. For example, it’s easy to want to help Jose’s son. But we gave 20 million amnesty in 1984, and now we’re talking 20 million more (very rough figures).

Would that number be 100 million if we had open borders? Why not?

Would that be a good thing for the U.S.? More workers, for sure. Would the population be evenly distributed, or might the population densities in our largest cities go way way up?

It does become crucial to know whether legal/illegal immigrants are a net financial positive or negative, when you are multiplying by large numbers. I don’t know that that question has been “debunked” or reliably resolved one way or the other. It’s probably not that easy of a question to answer.

[KSMountain]

SK was pretty hard on people earlier in the thread, so I felt a little examination of SK’s position was warranted.

SK also said he/she had no idea what my point was, so I tried to clarify.

I have no issue with generosity and charity. At all. I donate.

I have more of an issue when people’s utopian desires for a world without pain or want, and an inability or unwillingness to consider the practical limits of our budget (which is negative at the moment btw), cause them to advocate policies that aren’t tenable.

Also sometimes people don’t consider the consequences of the full expression of their ideas. For example, it’s easy to want to help Jose’s son. But we gave 20 million amnesty in 1984, and now we’re talking 20 million more (very rough figures).

Would that number be 100 million if we had open borders? Why not?

Would that be a good thing for the U.S.? More workers, for sure. Would the population be evenly distributed, or might the population densities in our largest cities go way way up?

It does become crucial to know whether legal/illegal immigrants are a net financial positive or negative, when you are multiplying by large numbers. I don’t know that that question has been “debunked” or reliably resolved one way or the other. It’s probably not that easy of a question to answer.

[KSMountain]

SK was pretty hard on people earlier in the thread, so I felt a little examination of SK’s position was warranted.

SK also said he/she had no idea what my point was, so I tried to clarify.

I have no issue with generosity and charity. At all. I donate.

I have more of an issue when people’s utopian desires for a world without pain or want, and an inability or unwillingness to consider the practical limits of our budget (which is negative at the moment btw), cause them to advocate policies that aren’t tenable.

Also sometimes people don’t consider the consequences of the full expression of their ideas. For example, it’s easy to want to help Jose’s son. But we gave 20 million amnesty in 1984, and now we’re talking 20 million more (very rough figures).

Would that number be 100 million if we had open borders? Why not?

Would that be a good thing for the U.S.? More workers, for sure. Would the population be evenly distributed, or might the population densities in our largest cities go way way up?

It does become crucial to know whether legal/illegal immigrants are a net financial positive or negative, when you are multiplying by large numbers. I don’t know that that question has been “debunked” or reliably resolved one way or the other. It’s probably not that easy of a question to answer.

[KSMountain]

SK was pretty hard on people earlier in the thread, so I felt a little examination of SK’s position was warranted.

SK also said he/she had no idea what my point was, so I tried to clarify.

I have no issue with generosity and charity. At all. I donate.

I have more of an issue when people’s utopian desires for a world without pain or want, and an inability or unwillingness to consider the practical limits of our budget (which is negative at the moment btw), cause them to advocate policies that aren’t tenable.

Also sometimes people don’t consider the consequences of the full expression of their ideas. For example, it’s easy to want to help Jose’s son. But we gave 20 million amnesty in 1984, and now we’re talking 20 million more (very rough figures).

Would that number be 100 million if we had open borders? Why not?

Would that be a good thing for the U.S.? More workers, for sure. Would the population be evenly distributed, or might the population densities in our largest cities go way way up?

It does become crucial to know whether legal/illegal immigrants are a net financial positive or negative, when you are multiplying by large numbers. I don’t know that that question has been “debunked” or reliably resolved one way or the other. It’s probably not that easy of a question to answer.

[KSMountain]

SK was pretty hard on people earlier in the thread, so I felt a little examination of SK’s position was warranted.

SK also said he/she had no idea what my point was, so I tried to clarify.

I have no issue with generosity and charity. At all. I donate.

I have more of an issue when people’s utopian desires for a world without pain or want, and an inability or unwillingness to consider the practical limits of our budget (which is negative at the moment btw), cause them to advocate policies that aren’t tenable.

Also sometimes people don’t consider the consequences of the full expression of their ideas. For example, it’s easy to want to help Jose’s son. But we gave 20 million amnesty in 1984, and now we’re talking 20 million more (very rough figures).

Would that number be 100 million if we had open borders? Why not?

Would that be a good thing for the U.S.? More workers, for sure. Would the population be evenly distributed, or might the population densities in our largest cities go way way up?

It does become crucial to know whether legal/illegal immigrants are a net financial positive or negative, when you are multiplying by large numbers. I don’t know that that question has been “debunked” or reliably resolved one way or the other. It’s probably not that easy of a question to answer.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is…

Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I would have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I’m exploring the limits of your largesse with other people’s tax dollars, SK.

Isn’t Juanita also deserving of quality medical care? Why should American kids have better healthcare than Paraguayan kids? That’s certainly bigoted and unfair. Shouldn’t the taxpayers of the US provide medical care for the children of Paraguay?

Oh, but what about proper nutrition too? Isn’t that fundamental? And clean water. Of course Juanita and her peers deserve that.

But, wait. While we’re helping Paraguay, we can’t neglect Uruguay. And the Ivory Coast. And Liberia. And Bhutan. And Ghana.

Or maybe you’re right. Open borders and all, just bring them here. For the poor in countries not geographically close to us though, I think we’ll have to send planes or boats, don’t you think?

Or are you really so selfish as to limit your compassion and generosity only to folks who are physically able to get within the borders of the U.S.? Please tell me I misunderstand you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is…

Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I would have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I’m exploring the limits of your largesse with other people’s tax dollars, SK.

Isn’t Juanita also deserving of quality medical care? Why should American kids have better healthcare than Paraguayan kids? That’s certainly bigoted and unfair. Shouldn’t the taxpayers of the US provide medical care for the children of Paraguay?

Oh, but what about proper nutrition too? Isn’t that fundamental? And clean water. Of course Juanita and her peers deserve that.

But, wait. While we’re helping Paraguay, we can’t neglect Uruguay. And the Ivory Coast. And Liberia. And Bhutan. And Ghana.

Or maybe you’re right. Open borders and all, just bring them here. For the poor in countries not geographically close to us though, I think we’ll have to send planes or boats, don’t you think?

Or are you really so selfish as to limit your compassion and generosity only to folks who are physically able to get within the borders of the U.S.? Please tell me I misunderstand you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is…

Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I would have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I’m exploring the limits of your largesse with other people’s tax dollars, SK.

Isn’t Juanita also deserving of quality medical care? Why should American kids have better healthcare than Paraguayan kids? That’s certainly bigoted and unfair. Shouldn’t the taxpayers of the US provide medical care for the children of Paraguay?

Oh, but what about proper nutrition too? Isn’t that fundamental? And clean water. Of course Juanita and her peers deserve that.

But, wait. While we’re helping Paraguay, we can’t neglect Uruguay. And the Ivory Coast. And Liberia. And Bhutan. And Ghana.

Or maybe you’re right. Open borders and all, just bring them here. For the poor in countries not geographically close to us though, I think we’ll have to send planes or boats, don’t you think?

Or are you really so selfish as to limit your compassion and generosity only to folks who are physically able to get within the borders of the U.S.? Please tell me I misunderstand you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is…

Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I would have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I’m exploring the limits of your largesse with other people’s tax dollars, SK.

Isn’t Juanita also deserving of quality medical care? Why should American kids have better healthcare than Paraguayan kids? That’s certainly bigoted and unfair. Shouldn’t the taxpayers of the US provide medical care for the children of Paraguay?

Oh, but what about proper nutrition too? Isn’t that fundamental? And clean water. Of course Juanita and her peers deserve that.

But, wait. While we’re helping Paraguay, we can’t neglect Uruguay. And the Ivory Coast. And Liberia. And Bhutan. And Ghana.

Or maybe you’re right. Open borders and all, just bring them here. For the poor in countries not geographically close to us though, I think we’ll have to send planes or boats, don’t you think?

Or are you really so selfish as to limit your compassion and generosity only to folks who are physically able to get within the borders of the U.S.? Please tell me I misunderstand you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]I suppose you’ve made a point here. I have no idea what it is…

Hopefully her parents will find a way to sneak her across the border so we can provide it.

(And in case you were wondering, I would have no problem with a world without borders. In theory anyway.)[/quote]

I’m exploring the limits of your largesse with other people’s tax dollars, SK.

Isn’t Juanita also deserving of quality medical care? Why should American kids have better healthcare than Paraguayan kids? That’s certainly bigoted and unfair. Shouldn’t the taxpayers of the US provide medical care for the children of Paraguay?

Oh, but what about proper nutrition too? Isn’t that fundamental? And clean water. Of course Juanita and her peers deserve that.

But, wait. While we’re helping Paraguay, we can’t neglect Uruguay. And the Ivory Coast. And Liberia. And Bhutan. And Ghana.

Or maybe you’re right. Open borders and all, just bring them here. For the poor in countries not geographically close to us though, I think we’ll have to send planes or boats, don’t you think?

Or are you really so selfish as to limit your compassion and generosity only to folks who are physically able to get within the borders of the U.S.? Please tell me I misunderstand you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.

[KSMountain]

[quote=SK in CV]Do you really think that Jose’s 8 year old son really deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where his parents were born?[/quote]

SK in CV: Meet 8 year old Juanita from Paraguay. She is very cute and bright and innocent. She smiles a lot and is very likable.

Do you really think she deserves less of an education than Joe’s son simply because of where SHE was born? How arrogant!

Why should we discriminate based on a criteria as passe as physical location? Why not educate everyone in the whole world?

We can either fly everybody here for 18 or so years or we can just send out say 200 million teachers to do it on location. That’ll give class sizes of about 30 students per teacher. Hope that’s ok with you.

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