[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m stunned that some of you feel that a Hawaii COLB is no longer considered a legally valid document – especially when the contents are personally verified by the appropriate state officials. The HI Dept. of Health certified the entire COLB to be true. Not just the parts you happen agree with. And yes, that includes the location of birth, Honolulu.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” – Dr. Chiyome Fukino

“Birthers” see all kinds of problems with this statement – they believe Dr. Fukino has apparently seen the original (Kenyan) certificate but is in on the conspiracy by allowing Obama to have a Hawaiian COLB which contains fraudulent information. Occam’s Razor, anyone?

…Or maybe, she was just trying to say that after viewing the original, she found no irregularities between that and the COLB abstract, and everything on record is in accordance with their policy of providing accurate information on their official state documents? Naw.

I’ve used the exact same Hawaiian COLB to obtain my daughter’s US passport, SSN and register her for public schools. I’m stunned that people now feel they can pick and choose which parts are to be believed and which are not – especially when all it takes is a simple accusation of fraud, with no evidence to support it at all. The very accusation is suddenly evidence that there is a problem with the document.

As it stands, the only “evidence” to refute Obama’s Honolulu birth is an interview (by a journalist) of the 86 year old *step* grandmother of Barack Obama – claiming she witnessed his birth in Kenya. BUT… I’ve also read articles where she claims she was mistaken and he had never been to Kenya until he was in his teens. Either way, she makes a terrible witness. If that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got nothing.

Everything else I have read on the matter is pure conjecture – with blogger after blogger quoting WorldNetDaily and eachother over and over as some sort of “confirmation” for their theories. Again, no evidence has ever been offered for any of these accusations. No travel/customs records for a trip to Kenya in 1961, no Kenyan hospital records, no Kenyan government records – nothing. In my book, if you’re going to make serious allegations, YOU need to bring the proof. Since when to we presume guilt before innocence?

Court after court has thrown these birther cases out. They’re a frivolous waste of time unless someone bothers to gather some evidence and actually file in the proper court.

I absolutely know that even IF Obama’s vault copy were to be released in court, it still wouldn’t satisfy the doubters. They’re convinced that the certified, official COLB is fake and the original has been tampered with by now. After all, state officials are all in on the conspiracy.

It will never end, no matter what Obama does at this point. It’s best for him to ignore it until a US court compels him to respond.

[Kilohana]

I’m in RSF and am starting to hear the stories of reduced income, cutting back and ‘not having such a great of a year..” Most of these people own their own businesses of varying size.

There certainly are lots of folks who are doing well – even in this economy, but I was shocked at how many will openly admit that things are tough right now.

Often times, they discuss the fact that their properties and other fixed expenses are draining their funds. IOW, less coming in – with financial commitments based on former income levels.

My concern about SantaLuz is – are there enough high ticket buyers who actually want these houses at all right now? There are literally hundreds of $2M+ homes in SD and most of them seem to be sitting…and sitting…and sitting. SantaLuz certainly doesn’t stand out in my mind as a top pic within a group that includes Del Mar, RSF, La Jolla, Fairbanks, etc…

[Kilohana]

I’m in RSF and am starting to hear the stories of reduced income, cutting back and ‘not having such a great of a year..” Most of these people own their own businesses of varying size.

There certainly are lots of folks who are doing well – even in this economy, but I was shocked at how many will openly admit that things are tough right now.

Often times, they discuss the fact that their properties and other fixed expenses are draining their funds. IOW, less coming in – with financial commitments based on former income levels.

My concern about SantaLuz is – are there enough high ticket buyers who actually want these houses at all right now? There are literally hundreds of $2M+ homes in SD and most of them seem to be sitting…and sitting…and sitting. SantaLuz certainly doesn’t stand out in my mind as a top pic within a group that includes Del Mar, RSF, La Jolla, Fairbanks, etc…

[Kilohana]

I’m in RSF and am starting to hear the stories of reduced income, cutting back and ‘not having such a great of a year..” Most of these people own their own businesses of varying size.

There certainly are lots of folks who are doing well – even in this economy, but I was shocked at how many will openly admit that things are tough right now.

Often times, they discuss the fact that their properties and other fixed expenses are draining their funds. IOW, less coming in – with financial commitments based on former income levels.

My concern about SantaLuz is – are there enough high ticket buyers who actually want these houses at all right now? There are literally hundreds of $2M+ homes in SD and most of them seem to be sitting…and sitting…and sitting. SantaLuz certainly doesn’t stand out in my mind as a top pic within a group that includes Del Mar, RSF, La Jolla, Fairbanks, etc…

[Kilohana]

I’m in RSF and am starting to hear the stories of reduced income, cutting back and ‘not having such a great of a year..” Most of these people own their own businesses of varying size.

There certainly are lots of folks who are doing well – even in this economy, but I was shocked at how many will openly admit that things are tough right now.

Often times, they discuss the fact that their properties and other fixed expenses are draining their funds. IOW, less coming in – with financial commitments based on former income levels.

My concern about SantaLuz is – are there enough high ticket buyers who actually want these houses at all right now? There are literally hundreds of $2M+ homes in SD and most of them seem to be sitting…and sitting…and sitting. SantaLuz certainly doesn’t stand out in my mind as a top pic within a group that includes Del Mar, RSF, La Jolla, Fairbanks, etc…

[Kilohana]

I’m in RSF and am starting to hear the stories of reduced income, cutting back and ‘not having such a great of a year..” Most of these people own their own businesses of varying size.

There certainly are lots of folks who are doing well – even in this economy, but I was shocked at how many will openly admit that things are tough right now.

Often times, they discuss the fact that their properties and other fixed expenses are draining their funds. IOW, less coming in – with financial commitments based on former income levels.

My concern about SantaLuz is – are there enough high ticket buyers who actually want these houses at all right now? There are literally hundreds of $2M+ homes in SD and most of them seem to be sitting…and sitting…and sitting. SantaLuz certainly doesn’t stand out in my mind as a top pic within a group that includes Del Mar, RSF, La Jolla, Fairbanks, etc…

[Kilohana]

[quote=jpinpb]The thread that keeps on giving. I think the electrical tower had a detrimental static effect on the photos of this house.

4383 Mount Castle Ave[/quote]

Um… is that an outhouse next to the patio?

[Kilohana]

[quote=jpinpb]The thread that keeps on giving. I think the electrical tower had a detrimental static effect on the photos of this house.

4383 Mount Castle Ave[/quote]

Um… is that an outhouse next to the patio?

[Kilohana]

[quote=jpinpb]The thread that keeps on giving. I think the electrical tower had a detrimental static effect on the photos of this house.

4383 Mount Castle Ave[/quote]

Um… is that an outhouse next to the patio?

[Kilohana]

[quote=jpinpb]The thread that keeps on giving. I think the electrical tower had a detrimental static effect on the photos of this house.

4383 Mount Castle Ave[/quote]

Um… is that an outhouse next to the patio?

[Kilohana]

[quote=jpinpb]The thread that keeps on giving. I think the electrical tower had a detrimental static effect on the photos of this house.

4383 Mount Castle Ave[/quote]

Um… is that an outhouse next to the patio?

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