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The Mercury Mariner is a entry level luxury CUV, same with the RX300. Neither one of them are sporty. The RX300 is as far from sporty as you can get. It rides very smooth though.[/quote]But the Mercury was worse than a Civic and worse than even the Chevy HHR. No SUV is truly “sporty” due to the weight and higher center of gravity, but I’m talking relative to other vehicles in their type/size class. I wouldn’t have expected a 5 year older Lexus to be a lot better than a newer Mercury.
[quote=AN]
People don’t have to make excuses for their purchase. They bought a certain vehicle because that vehicle fits their criterias.[/quote]Exactly. Ford is actually coming out with some good things, like the Fusion Hybrid. But people still rail on hybrid vehicles too, just because it doesn’t match their requirements. But I don’t tell those people to look at hybrids. I don’t care what other people do.
Participant[quote=AN]
The Mercury Mariner is a entry level luxury CUV, same with the RX300. Neither one of them are sporty. The RX300 is as far from sporty as you can get. It rides very smooth though.[/quote]But the Mercury was worse than a Civic and worse than even the Chevy HHR. No SUV is truly “sporty” due to the weight and higher center of gravity, but I’m talking relative to other vehicles in their type/size class. I wouldn’t have expected a 5 year older Lexus to be a lot better than a newer Mercury.
[quote=AN]
People don’t have to make excuses for their purchase. They bought a certain vehicle because that vehicle fits their criterias.[/quote]Exactly. Ford is actually coming out with some good things, like the Fusion Hybrid. But people still rail on hybrid vehicles too, just because it doesn’t match their requirements. But I don’t tell those people to look at hybrids. I don’t care what other people do.
Participant[quote=AN]
The Mercury Mariner is a entry level luxury CUV, same with the RX300. Neither one of them are sporty. The RX300 is as far from sporty as you can get. It rides very smooth though.[/quote]But the Mercury was worse than a Civic and worse than even the Chevy HHR. No SUV is truly “sporty” due to the weight and higher center of gravity, but I’m talking relative to other vehicles in their type/size class. I wouldn’t have expected a 5 year older Lexus to be a lot better than a newer Mercury.
[quote=AN]
People don’t have to make excuses for their purchase. They bought a certain vehicle because that vehicle fits their criterias.[/quote]Exactly. Ford is actually coming out with some good things, like the Fusion Hybrid. But people still rail on hybrid vehicles too, just because it doesn’t match their requirements. But I don’t tell those people to look at hybrids. I don’t care what other people do.
Participant[quote=AN]
The Mercury Mariner is a entry level luxury CUV, same with the RX300. Neither one of them are sporty. The RX300 is as far from sporty as you can get. It rides very smooth though.[/quote]But the Mercury was worse than a Civic and worse than even the Chevy HHR. No SUV is truly “sporty” due to the weight and higher center of gravity, but I’m talking relative to other vehicles in their type/size class. I wouldn’t have expected a 5 year older Lexus to be a lot better than a newer Mercury.
[quote=AN]
People don’t have to make excuses for their purchase. They bought a certain vehicle because that vehicle fits their criterias.[/quote]Exactly. Ford is actually coming out with some good things, like the Fusion Hybrid. But people still rail on hybrid vehicles too, just because it doesn’t match their requirements. But I don’t tell those people to look at hybrids. I don’t care what other people do.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Chevy Malibu is built here of a very high US parts content. The profits stay here.[/quote]
Not sure what profits you are talking about. Since it goes to the upper level execs. who make decisions so they can keep their jobs. If that means bringing a German car with a restyling to sell in North America, or use an Australian car platform to redesign for the Camaro then build in Canada, whatever it takes to be successful to keep their upper level jobs is what they will do.
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Why would anyone compare a Malibu/Camry/Accord with a BMW or Audi sports sedan? [/quote]I’m talking in general, even a basic Honda drives fairly well. I drove a Civic and much larger Odyssey minivan and they don’t drive much different aside from weight. This is compared to general vehicles such as HHR, Cobalt, etc… There is a difference in handling, as I pointed out, because the cars are aimed at slightly different groups.
[quote=Rt.66]
If thats what you like then go take a look at Cadillac.So you rented a luxury sedan and it did not drive like a sports sedan so it sucks? [/quote]
That’s why your point about what to buy doesn’t make sense. You are expecting everyone to want the same thing? If they don’t drive similarly then the potential buyers are going to be different people.
[quote=Rt.66]
I stand by my statement about lame and outragious excuses made by import buyers. Its comical really.Just admit that you WANT a foriegn car and we can respect that, but these lame excuses are growing old. [/quote]
You missed some details. I don’t have a problem with American cars, I would consider the Tesla cars (because their spirit and idea is good), maybe Ford (moving more design work to local teams), perhaps Chrysler (very good styling) if the quality ever came back up. The issue is that I look at the way companies are run and managed (considering how many products GM makes, many are not based on US designs (in the long run this will be a problem for them, they are going to lose the Opel connection, they will end up relying more on the Korea and Australian teams), are they really trying to be “American” cars, in truth they are just trying to make money like any other company). So the idea that everyone should look at GM cars if they are interested in buying a car isn’t what I want someone “yelling” out to me.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Chevy Malibu is built here of a very high US parts content. The profits stay here.[/quote]
Not sure what profits you are talking about. Since it goes to the upper level execs. who make decisions so they can keep their jobs. If that means bringing a German car with a restyling to sell in North America, or use an Australian car platform to redesign for the Camaro then build in Canada, whatever it takes to be successful to keep their upper level jobs is what they will do.
[quote=Rt.66]
Why would anyone compare a Malibu/Camry/Accord with a BMW or Audi sports sedan? [/quote]I’m talking in general, even a basic Honda drives fairly well. I drove a Civic and much larger Odyssey minivan and they don’t drive much different aside from weight. This is compared to general vehicles such as HHR, Cobalt, etc… There is a difference in handling, as I pointed out, because the cars are aimed at slightly different groups.
[quote=Rt.66]
If thats what you like then go take a look at Cadillac.So you rented a luxury sedan and it did not drive like a sports sedan so it sucks? [/quote]
That’s why your point about what to buy doesn’t make sense. You are expecting everyone to want the same thing? If they don’t drive similarly then the potential buyers are going to be different people.
[quote=Rt.66]
I stand by my statement about lame and outragious excuses made by import buyers. Its comical really.Just admit that you WANT a foriegn car and we can respect that, but these lame excuses are growing old. [/quote]
You missed some details. I don’t have a problem with American cars, I would consider the Tesla cars (because their spirit and idea is good), maybe Ford (moving more design work to local teams), perhaps Chrysler (very good styling) if the quality ever came back up. The issue is that I look at the way companies are run and managed (considering how many products GM makes, many are not based on US designs (in the long run this will be a problem for them, they are going to lose the Opel connection, they will end up relying more on the Korea and Australian teams), are they really trying to be “American” cars, in truth they are just trying to make money like any other company). So the idea that everyone should look at GM cars if they are interested in buying a car isn’t what I want someone “yelling” out to me.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Chevy Malibu is built here of a very high US parts content. The profits stay here.[/quote]
Not sure what profits you are talking about. Since it goes to the upper level execs. who make decisions so they can keep their jobs. If that means bringing a German car with a restyling to sell in North America, or use an Australian car platform to redesign for the Camaro then build in Canada, whatever it takes to be successful to keep their upper level jobs is what they will do.
[quote=Rt.66]
Why would anyone compare a Malibu/Camry/Accord with a BMW or Audi sports sedan? [/quote]I’m talking in general, even a basic Honda drives fairly well. I drove a Civic and much larger Odyssey minivan and they don’t drive much different aside from weight. This is compared to general vehicles such as HHR, Cobalt, etc… There is a difference in handling, as I pointed out, because the cars are aimed at slightly different groups.
[quote=Rt.66]
If thats what you like then go take a look at Cadillac.So you rented a luxury sedan and it did not drive like a sports sedan so it sucks? [/quote]
That’s why your point about what to buy doesn’t make sense. You are expecting everyone to want the same thing? If they don’t drive similarly then the potential buyers are going to be different people.
[quote=Rt.66]
I stand by my statement about lame and outragious excuses made by import buyers. Its comical really.Just admit that you WANT a foriegn car and we can respect that, but these lame excuses are growing old. [/quote]
You missed some details. I don’t have a problem with American cars, I would consider the Tesla cars (because their spirit and idea is good), maybe Ford (moving more design work to local teams), perhaps Chrysler (very good styling) if the quality ever came back up. The issue is that I look at the way companies are run and managed (considering how many products GM makes, many are not based on US designs (in the long run this will be a problem for them, they are going to lose the Opel connection, they will end up relying more on the Korea and Australian teams), are they really trying to be “American” cars, in truth they are just trying to make money like any other company). So the idea that everyone should look at GM cars if they are interested in buying a car isn’t what I want someone “yelling” out to me.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Chevy Malibu is built here of a very high US parts content. The profits stay here.[/quote]
Not sure what profits you are talking about. Since it goes to the upper level execs. who make decisions so they can keep their jobs. If that means bringing a German car with a restyling to sell in North America, or use an Australian car platform to redesign for the Camaro then build in Canada, whatever it takes to be successful to keep their upper level jobs is what they will do.
[quote=Rt.66]
Why would anyone compare a Malibu/Camry/Accord with a BMW or Audi sports sedan? [/quote]I’m talking in general, even a basic Honda drives fairly well. I drove a Civic and much larger Odyssey minivan and they don’t drive much different aside from weight. This is compared to general vehicles such as HHR, Cobalt, etc… There is a difference in handling, as I pointed out, because the cars are aimed at slightly different groups.
[quote=Rt.66]
If thats what you like then go take a look at Cadillac.So you rented a luxury sedan and it did not drive like a sports sedan so it sucks? [/quote]
That’s why your point about what to buy doesn’t make sense. You are expecting everyone to want the same thing? If they don’t drive similarly then the potential buyers are going to be different people.
[quote=Rt.66]
I stand by my statement about lame and outragious excuses made by import buyers. Its comical really.Just admit that you WANT a foriegn car and we can respect that, but these lame excuses are growing old. [/quote]
You missed some details. I don’t have a problem with American cars, I would consider the Tesla cars (because their spirit and idea is good), maybe Ford (moving more design work to local teams), perhaps Chrysler (very good styling) if the quality ever came back up. The issue is that I look at the way companies are run and managed (considering how many products GM makes, many are not based on US designs (in the long run this will be a problem for them, they are going to lose the Opel connection, they will end up relying more on the Korea and Australian teams), are they really trying to be “American” cars, in truth they are just trying to make money like any other company). So the idea that everyone should look at GM cars if they are interested in buying a car isn’t what I want someone “yelling” out to me.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]The Chevy Malibu is built here of a very high US parts content. The profits stay here.[/quote]
Not sure what profits you are talking about. Since it goes to the upper level execs. who make decisions so they can keep their jobs. If that means bringing a German car with a restyling to sell in North America, or use an Australian car platform to redesign for the Camaro then build in Canada, whatever it takes to be successful to keep their upper level jobs is what they will do.
[quote=Rt.66]
Why would anyone compare a Malibu/Camry/Accord with a BMW or Audi sports sedan? [/quote]I’m talking in general, even a basic Honda drives fairly well. I drove a Civic and much larger Odyssey minivan and they don’t drive much different aside from weight. This is compared to general vehicles such as HHR, Cobalt, etc… There is a difference in handling, as I pointed out, because the cars are aimed at slightly different groups.
[quote=Rt.66]
If thats what you like then go take a look at Cadillac.So you rented a luxury sedan and it did not drive like a sports sedan so it sucks? [/quote]
That’s why your point about what to buy doesn’t make sense. You are expecting everyone to want the same thing? If they don’t drive similarly then the potential buyers are going to be different people.
[quote=Rt.66]
I stand by my statement about lame and outragious excuses made by import buyers. Its comical really.Just admit that you WANT a foriegn car and we can respect that, but these lame excuses are growing old. [/quote]
You missed some details. I don’t have a problem with American cars, I would consider the Tesla cars (because their spirit and idea is good), maybe Ford (moving more design work to local teams), perhaps Chrysler (very good styling) if the quality ever came back up. The issue is that I look at the way companies are run and managed (considering how many products GM makes, many are not based on US designs (in the long run this will be a problem for them, they are going to lose the Opel connection, they will end up relying more on the Korea and Australian teams), are they really trying to be “American” cars, in truth they are just trying to make money like any other company). So the idea that everyone should look at GM cars if they are interested in buying a car isn’t what I want someone “yelling” out to me.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
Participant[quote=Rt.66]
Here’s a better apples to apples comparison to your work uniform, oops I mean Accord.
The Chevrolet Malibu is built in the USA and has a very high American made content and the profits from its sale stay in the US to help us.
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/Chevrolet_Malibu/[/quote]
Did you not realize that the Chevy Malibu, and versions of it (Saturn, etc…) are based on the Opel designs from Germany? That is, or was (now that it’s to be sold), GM’s German/Europe division.
As I had pointed out, the way these cars drive are different, and I doubt you’d find someone that likes the sporty drive of a BMW or Audi would want to switch (even at a big $ savings), to a car that drives like a land yacht.
I drove a rental Mercury Mariner (2006 or 2007) and it drove very poorly compared to a 2001 Lexus RX300 (a friend’s car). I would not want the Mercury even at half the cost.
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