Time for Jeff Bridges to dump Hyundai

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[quote=Rt.66]PKMAN and Flu,
You guys make good points and the fact that some US assembled Japanese makes have higher domestic content than some US makes is not lost on me.

To be sure the market has become confusing. I was really sad to hear both the Camero and Challenger will be assembled in Canada.

Still there are OK choices (US built with profits going to Japan) ((obviously better than 100% foreign)) and better choices (US built with profits staying here) for our country and its workers.

And yes it sucks that Chrysler went to Daimler then back to US ownership and thanks to our bad trade policies and lack of comparable Gov. support Chrysler looks headed to Fiat ownership.

The lack of demand for US made cars has obviously led to this degrading market and outsourcing of content. American car manufacturers see they need to compete on price and they also must fight trade policies that put them on a back foot even in their own country.

US makers know that few people search out US vehicles (many search out the opposite) so we the market/consumers are telling them to go ahead and build it where it’s cheapest.

If we start asking for and demanding more US built cars from US companies with higher US content then there will be a race to supply that.

If the Accord and Camry buyers out there start walking into Chevy dealers and telling them they want a car built in the US by an American company then you can be sure good things will happen for workers in this country and for tax revenue to states and the Federal Gov.

The infrastructure is still there, we can still have a rebirth of the American auto industry. As luck would have it we are building cars as good or better than anyone.

As bad luck would have it, too many would still rather send profits to Japan hoping to gain a tiny personal advantage for themselves at the expense of THEIR nation.
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Well, not to sound partial…But if you stop and notice most of the more appealing GM/Fords are assembled with global resources. And it’s probably because companies do this to mix and match what is best at what can be done by each individual teams.
A good percentage of the Buicks (interior specifically) are designed in GM Shanghai, for instance There aren’t that many domestically sourced vehicles 100% because it’s not competitive to do this. It’s not just about labor, but the entire packaging because cars are complex machines. There will be things that move overseas as a result of globalization, and not all of them are for cost reasons.

My full time employer uses/hires employees in multiple parts of the world including the U.S., Asian, and Europe, for many reasons. Partly to maintain a 24 hr development team, partly because some teams overseas have capabilities our domestic team don’t have, and we’re still looking for domestic employees that complement what we’re good at doing. And frankly, some of the European employees are paid much higher comp packages than our domestic ones, simply because local laws, taxes,etc. But it enables us to turn profits domestic, and foreign markets…

This is how globalization works, and it’s increasingly important for U.S. companies considering most likely growth will be overseas. Buick sales have hit 2million in China already, the last 1 million in 3 years, for instance…The U.S. probably isn’t going to be the largest auto market moving forward.

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More good points. But what have we learned from this thread?

1) Jeff Bridges is not doing himselves any favors as far a big portion of Americans are concerned by hawking Korean cars as literally hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs in the US auto industry.

2) There is no way any logical person can say that US cars are not on par with cars from any foreign maker. Reliability reports show WE are now Kicking Ass. Don’t be mad, be happy!

2B) If you have an American vehicle and you think it sucks because it had “X” problem I can show you tons of owners of Toyotas, Hondas etc. who have experienced similar problems.

3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”

4) If you think it’s horrible that US car makers are getting bailout loans then you need to also realize that Japanese and Korean makers have enjoyed Gov. money and Gov. sponsored unfair trade policies for decades and still do to this day.

5) The best thing for our country, our deficit, our jobs and our future is to support the highest level of US content we can.

6) Keeping profits here in this country is important.

7) The Gov. is not with “US” on this. They are not looking out for our jobs. If you wait for them to fix things you will watch your lifestyle continue to shrink as they dole out economic favors across the globe. Get busy, demand American made, and capitalism will respond, f@ck the Gov.

8) If you are looking to buy an Accord or Camry, for Christ’s sake go look at a Chevrolet Malibu.

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More good points. But what have we learned from this thread?

1) Jeff Bridges is not doing himselves any favors as far a big portion of Americans are concerned by hawking Korean cars as literally hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs in the US auto industry.

2) There is no way any logical person can say that US cars are not on par with cars from any foreign maker. Reliability reports show WE are now Kicking Ass. Don’t be mad, be happy!

2B) If you have an American vehicle and you think it sucks because it had “X” problem I can show you tons of owners of Toyotas, Hondas etc. who have experienced similar problems.

3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”

4) If you think it’s horrible that US car makers are getting bailout loans then you need to also realize that Japanese and Korean makers have enjoyed Gov. money and Gov. sponsored unfair trade policies for decades and still do to this day.

5) The best thing for our country, our deficit, our jobs and our future is to support the highest level of US content we can.

6) Keeping profits here in this country is important.

7) The Gov. is not with “US” on this. They are not looking out for our jobs. If you wait for them to fix things you will watch your lifestyle continue to shrink as they dole out economic favors across the globe. Get busy, demand American made, and capitalism will respond, f@ck the Gov.

8) If you are looking to buy an Accord or Camry, for Christ’s sake go look at a Chevrolet Malibu.

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More good points. But what have we learned from this thread?

1) Jeff Bridges is not doing himselves any favors as far a big portion of Americans are concerned by hawking Korean cars as literally hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs in the US auto industry.

2) There is no way any logical person can say that US cars are not on par with cars from any foreign maker. Reliability reports show WE are now Kicking Ass. Don’t be mad, be happy!

2B) If you have an American vehicle and you think it sucks because it had “X” problem I can show you tons of owners of Toyotas, Hondas etc. who have experienced similar problems.

3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”

4) If you think it’s horrible that US car makers are getting bailout loans then you need to also realize that Japanese and Korean makers have enjoyed Gov. money and Gov. sponsored unfair trade policies for decades and still do to this day.

5) The best thing for our country, our deficit, our jobs and our future is to support the highest level of US content we can.

6) Keeping profits here in this country is important.

7) The Gov. is not with “US” on this. They are not looking out for our jobs. If you wait for them to fix things you will watch your lifestyle continue to shrink as they dole out economic favors across the globe. Get busy, demand American made, and capitalism will respond, f@ck the Gov.

8) If you are looking to buy an Accord or Camry, for Christ’s sake go look at a Chevrolet Malibu.

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More good points. But what have we learned from this thread?

1) Jeff Bridges is not doing himselves any favors as far a big portion of Americans are concerned by hawking Korean cars as literally hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs in the US auto industry.

2) There is no way any logical person can say that US cars are not on par with cars from any foreign maker. Reliability reports show WE are now Kicking Ass. Don’t be mad, be happy!

2B) If you have an American vehicle and you think it sucks because it had “X” problem I can show you tons of owners of Toyotas, Hondas etc. who have experienced similar problems.

3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”

4) If you think it’s horrible that US car makers are getting bailout loans then you need to also realize that Japanese and Korean makers have enjoyed Gov. money and Gov. sponsored unfair trade policies for decades and still do to this day.

5) The best thing for our country, our deficit, our jobs and our future is to support the highest level of US content we can.

6) Keeping profits here in this country is important.

7) The Gov. is not with “US” on this. They are not looking out for our jobs. If you wait for them to fix things you will watch your lifestyle continue to shrink as they dole out economic favors across the globe. Get busy, demand American made, and capitalism will respond, f@ck the Gov.

8) If you are looking to buy an Accord or Camry, for Christ’s sake go look at a Chevrolet Malibu.

[Rt.66]

More good points. But what have we learned from this thread?

1) Jeff Bridges is not doing himselves any favors as far a big portion of Americans are concerned by hawking Korean cars as literally hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs in the US auto industry.

2) There is no way any logical person can say that US cars are not on par with cars from any foreign maker. Reliability reports show WE are now Kicking Ass. Don’t be mad, be happy!

2B) If you have an American vehicle and you think it sucks because it had “X” problem I can show you tons of owners of Toyotas, Hondas etc. who have experienced similar problems.

3)If you chose foreign you are saying “I’m ok with unfair trade practices and companies that steal American jobs and wealth”

4) If you think it’s horrible that US car makers are getting bailout loans then you need to also realize that Japanese and Korean makers have enjoyed Gov. money and Gov. sponsored unfair trade policies for decades and still do to this day.

5) The best thing for our country, our deficit, our jobs and our future is to support the highest level of US content we can.

6) Keeping profits here in this country is important.

7) The Gov. is not with “US” on this. They are not looking out for our jobs. If you wait for them to fix things you will watch your lifestyle continue to shrink as they dole out economic favors across the globe. Get busy, demand American made, and capitalism will respond, f@ck the Gov.

8) If you are looking to buy an Accord or Camry, for Christ’s sake go look at a Chevrolet Malibu.

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9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.

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9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.

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9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.

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9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.

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9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.

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[quote=Rt.66]9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.[/quote]

Again, I think the fallout will be more from the recession than anything else. Car manufacturers as a whole don’t need to be producing nearly as many cars/trucks that they are/were producing. It doesn’t matter how great quality the cars are, or what features, how it looks etc. The pool of people capable and willing to buy a new car has shrunken, and as such the manufacturers and parts industry need to scale accordingly. Unfortunately, that means job losses…Some more so than others. No one who depended on those revolving credit lines/home ATM’s are in any financial shape to buy…err..I mean borrow to buy/lease a new car….If I were working in the auto industry, the last thing I would be thinking is making any big purchases, whether it’s a new car or a new home.

BTW: Who is Jeff Bridges? Edit. Did some research…Never mind… I guess he stared in Tron awhile ago…Sorry, didn’t ring a bell for generation X’ers like me.

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[quote=Rt.66]9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.[/quote]

Again, I think the fallout will be more from the recession than anything else. Car manufacturers as a whole don’t need to be producing nearly as many cars/trucks that they are/were producing. It doesn’t matter how great quality the cars are, or what features, how it looks etc. The pool of people capable and willing to buy a new car has shrunken, and as such the manufacturers and parts industry need to scale accordingly. Unfortunately, that means job losses…Some more so than others. No one who depended on those revolving credit lines/home ATM’s are in any financial shape to buy…err..I mean borrow to buy/lease a new car….If I were working in the auto industry, the last thing I would be thinking is making any big purchases, whether it’s a new car or a new home.

BTW: Who is Jeff Bridges? Edit. Did some research…Never mind… I guess he stared in Tron awhile ago…Sorry, didn’t ring a bell for generation X’ers like me.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.[/quote]

Again, I think the fallout will be more from the recession than anything else. Car manufacturers as a whole don’t need to be producing nearly as many cars/trucks that they are/were producing. It doesn’t matter how great quality the cars are, or what features, how it looks etc. The pool of people capable and willing to buy a new car has shrunken, and as such the manufacturers and parts industry need to scale accordingly. Unfortunately, that means job losses…Some more so than others. No one who depended on those revolving credit lines/home ATM’s are in any financial shape to buy…err..I mean borrow to buy/lease a new car….If I were working in the auto industry, the last thing I would be thinking is making any big purchases, whether it’s a new car or a new home.

BTW: Who is Jeff Bridges? Edit. Did some research…Never mind… I guess he stared in Tron awhile ago…Sorry, didn’t ring a bell for generation X’ers like me.

[Coronita]

[quote=Rt.66]9) Just because you live a long way from Detroit does not mean that the fallout from what is happening right now will not affect you or your livelihood. There are 400 +/- cars parts suppliers in SoCal. All those 400 companies do business with other companies in SoCal and the tentacles of interconnectivity spread out and touch many seemingly unrelated industries. This will affect YOU, although you may never realise it.[/quote]

Again, I think the fallout will be more from the recession than anything else. Car manufacturers as a whole don’t need to be producing nearly as many cars/trucks that they are/were producing. It doesn’t matter how great quality the cars are, or what features, how it looks etc. The pool of people capable and willing to buy a new car has shrunken, and as such the manufacturers and parts industry need to scale accordingly. Unfortunately, that means job losses…Some more so than others. No one who depended on those revolving credit lines/home ATM’s are in any financial shape to buy…err..I mean borrow to buy/lease a new car….If I were working in the auto industry, the last thing I would be thinking is making any big purchases, whether it’s a new car or a new home.

BTW: Who is Jeff Bridges? Edit. Did some research…Never mind… I guess he stared in Tron awhile ago…Sorry, didn’t ring a bell for generation X’ers like me.

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