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June 25, 2009 at 12:25 PM #420853June 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM #420128
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ParticipantI’m (was) Scarlet (one T, as in the color, not the name) but there was, unbeknownst to me, a Scarlett (2-Ts) already on the board, it got confusing so I changed it.
June 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM #420360ParticipantI’m (was) Scarlet (one T, as in the color, not the name) but there was, unbeknownst to me, a Scarlett (2-Ts) already on the board, it got confusing so I changed it.
June 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM #420631ParticipantI’m (was) Scarlet (one T, as in the color, not the name) but there was, unbeknownst to me, a Scarlett (2-Ts) already on the board, it got confusing so I changed it.
June 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM #420697ParticipantI’m (was) Scarlet (one T, as in the color, not the name) but there was, unbeknownst to me, a Scarlett (2-Ts) already on the board, it got confusing so I changed it.
June 25, 2009 at 12:36 PM #420858ParticipantI’m (was) Scarlet (one T, as in the color, not the name) but there was, unbeknownst to me, a Scarlett (2-Ts) already on the board, it got confusing so I changed it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM #420482PKMAN
ParticipantThis is a very intellectually-stimulating forum that has sparked credited and valid arguments from both sides. I think I probably won’t contribute anymore (I have a full-time job, honestly) but would like to say just a few more things before going away:
Jeff Bridges can pitch for whoever he wants, domestic or foreign brand. He’s an actor so it’s his livelihood to do this kind of stuff without discrimination. If we’re at war with Korea, I’d understand but this is peacetime so let the man do his job.
GM and Ford do make good cars nowadays but they’ve alienated consumers for decades in the small/mid-size sedan segment and have not had a true winner since the original Taurus in the mid 80s. The Big Three were too fixated on trucks, SUVs and niche vehicles (Viper, Corvette, etc.) that for years their small/mid sedans were sub-par and unreliable comparing to the foreign brands. They didn’t lose consumers’ confidence overnight, they had decades to perfect it. I’m glad to see that they are now finally making good small/mid sedans but winning us back will take time, as we’re still a bit skeptical.
After employee pricing, factory rebate, dealer cash-back, 0% financing and all other goodies offered by the desperate Big Three, buying an American mid-size probably would’ve been $5K-$7K less than my Accord, but I’d be buying from a car-maker with spotty history in the mid-size segment vs. a car-maker whose mid-size has been consistently praised by the automotive press for 20+ years and has been consistently the top 5 selling (non-truck, non-rental sales) vehicle in the US for 20+ years. That $5K-$7K cost differentiation upfront would also be made up in 3-5 years when I’d be ready to trade-in, as the Accord has one of the highest resale value of all mid-size.
Now I did state that I was seriously considering the Pontiac G8 so some of you may think I’m contradicting myself. But G8 is a full-size that is new to the market so to me it’s a clean slate and thus I was willing to consider it.
I hope there will be more good posts on this topic and look forward to keep on reading it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM #420713ParticipantThis is a very intellectually-stimulating forum that has sparked credited and valid arguments from both sides. I think I probably won’t contribute anymore (I have a full-time job, honestly) but would like to say just a few more things before going away:
Jeff Bridges can pitch for whoever he wants, domestic or foreign brand. He’s an actor so it’s his livelihood to do this kind of stuff without discrimination. If we’re at war with Korea, I’d understand but this is peacetime so let the man do his job.
GM and Ford do make good cars nowadays but they’ve alienated consumers for decades in the small/mid-size sedan segment and have not had a true winner since the original Taurus in the mid 80s. The Big Three were too fixated on trucks, SUVs and niche vehicles (Viper, Corvette, etc.) that for years their small/mid sedans were sub-par and unreliable comparing to the foreign brands. They didn’t lose consumers’ confidence overnight, they had decades to perfect it. I’m glad to see that they are now finally making good small/mid sedans but winning us back will take time, as we’re still a bit skeptical.
After employee pricing, factory rebate, dealer cash-back, 0% financing and all other goodies offered by the desperate Big Three, buying an American mid-size probably would’ve been $5K-$7K less than my Accord, but I’d be buying from a car-maker with spotty history in the mid-size segment vs. a car-maker whose mid-size has been consistently praised by the automotive press for 20+ years and has been consistently the top 5 selling (non-truck, non-rental sales) vehicle in the US for 20+ years. That $5K-$7K cost differentiation upfront would also be made up in 3-5 years when I’d be ready to trade-in, as the Accord has one of the highest resale value of all mid-size.
Now I did state that I was seriously considering the Pontiac G8 so some of you may think I’m contradicting myself. But G8 is a full-size that is new to the market so to me it’s a clean slate and thus I was willing to consider it.
I hope there will be more good posts on this topic and look forward to keep on reading it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM #420984ParticipantThis is a very intellectually-stimulating forum that has sparked credited and valid arguments from both sides. I think I probably won’t contribute anymore (I have a full-time job, honestly) but would like to say just a few more things before going away:
Jeff Bridges can pitch for whoever he wants, domestic or foreign brand. He’s an actor so it’s his livelihood to do this kind of stuff without discrimination. If we’re at war with Korea, I’d understand but this is peacetime so let the man do his job.
GM and Ford do make good cars nowadays but they’ve alienated consumers for decades in the small/mid-size sedan segment and have not had a true winner since the original Taurus in the mid 80s. The Big Three were too fixated on trucks, SUVs and niche vehicles (Viper, Corvette, etc.) that for years their small/mid sedans were sub-par and unreliable comparing to the foreign brands. They didn’t lose consumers’ confidence overnight, they had decades to perfect it. I’m glad to see that they are now finally making good small/mid sedans but winning us back will take time, as we’re still a bit skeptical.
After employee pricing, factory rebate, dealer cash-back, 0% financing and all other goodies offered by the desperate Big Three, buying an American mid-size probably would’ve been $5K-$7K less than my Accord, but I’d be buying from a car-maker with spotty history in the mid-size segment vs. a car-maker whose mid-size has been consistently praised by the automotive press for 20+ years and has been consistently the top 5 selling (non-truck, non-rental sales) vehicle in the US for 20+ years. That $5K-$7K cost differentiation upfront would also be made up in 3-5 years when I’d be ready to trade-in, as the Accord has one of the highest resale value of all mid-size.
Now I did state that I was seriously considering the Pontiac G8 so some of you may think I’m contradicting myself. But G8 is a full-size that is new to the market so to me it’s a clean slate and thus I was willing to consider it.
I hope there will be more good posts on this topic and look forward to keep on reading it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM #421052ParticipantThis is a very intellectually-stimulating forum that has sparked credited and valid arguments from both sides. I think I probably won’t contribute anymore (I have a full-time job, honestly) but would like to say just a few more things before going away:
Jeff Bridges can pitch for whoever he wants, domestic or foreign brand. He’s an actor so it’s his livelihood to do this kind of stuff without discrimination. If we’re at war with Korea, I’d understand but this is peacetime so let the man do his job.
GM and Ford do make good cars nowadays but they’ve alienated consumers for decades in the small/mid-size sedan segment and have not had a true winner since the original Taurus in the mid 80s. The Big Three were too fixated on trucks, SUVs and niche vehicles (Viper, Corvette, etc.) that for years their small/mid sedans were sub-par and unreliable comparing to the foreign brands. They didn’t lose consumers’ confidence overnight, they had decades to perfect it. I’m glad to see that they are now finally making good small/mid sedans but winning us back will take time, as we’re still a bit skeptical.
After employee pricing, factory rebate, dealer cash-back, 0% financing and all other goodies offered by the desperate Big Three, buying an American mid-size probably would’ve been $5K-$7K less than my Accord, but I’d be buying from a car-maker with spotty history in the mid-size segment vs. a car-maker whose mid-size has been consistently praised by the automotive press for 20+ years and has been consistently the top 5 selling (non-truck, non-rental sales) vehicle in the US for 20+ years. That $5K-$7K cost differentiation upfront would also be made up in 3-5 years when I’d be ready to trade-in, as the Accord has one of the highest resale value of all mid-size.
Now I did state that I was seriously considering the Pontiac G8 so some of you may think I’m contradicting myself. But G8 is a full-size that is new to the market so to me it’s a clean slate and thus I was willing to consider it.
I hope there will be more good posts on this topic and look forward to keep on reading it.
June 25, 2009 at 10:33 PM #421212ParticipantThis is a very intellectually-stimulating forum that has sparked credited and valid arguments from both sides. I think I probably won’t contribute anymore (I have a full-time job, honestly) but would like to say just a few more things before going away:
Jeff Bridges can pitch for whoever he wants, domestic or foreign brand. He’s an actor so it’s his livelihood to do this kind of stuff without discrimination. If we’re at war with Korea, I’d understand but this is peacetime so let the man do his job.
GM and Ford do make good cars nowadays but they’ve alienated consumers for decades in the small/mid-size sedan segment and have not had a true winner since the original Taurus in the mid 80s. The Big Three were too fixated on trucks, SUVs and niche vehicles (Viper, Corvette, etc.) that for years their small/mid sedans were sub-par and unreliable comparing to the foreign brands. They didn’t lose consumers’ confidence overnight, they had decades to perfect it. I’m glad to see that they are now finally making good small/mid sedans but winning us back will take time, as we’re still a bit skeptical.
After employee pricing, factory rebate, dealer cash-back, 0% financing and all other goodies offered by the desperate Big Three, buying an American mid-size probably would’ve been $5K-$7K less than my Accord, but I’d be buying from a car-maker with spotty history in the mid-size segment vs. a car-maker whose mid-size has been consistently praised by the automotive press for 20+ years and has been consistently the top 5 selling (non-truck, non-rental sales) vehicle in the US for 20+ years. That $5K-$7K cost differentiation upfront would also be made up in 3-5 years when I’d be ready to trade-in, as the Accord has one of the highest resale value of all mid-size.
Now I did state that I was seriously considering the Pontiac G8 so some of you may think I’m contradicting myself. But G8 is a full-size that is new to the market so to me it’s a clean slate and thus I was willing to consider it.
I hope there will be more good posts on this topic and look forward to keep on reading it.
June 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM #420512CA renter
Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
June 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM #420743Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
June 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM #421014Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
June 25, 2009 at 11:49 PM #421082Participant[quote=dbapig][quote=CONCHO]I have a college degree but because I don’t work for govt nor GM, I won’t be getting pension after I retire. Meanwhile auto workers graduated from high school and start working at car factory right away and end up with pension. I’m sure working on factory floor has its difficulties and all BUT it doesn’t make sense. That’s unsustainable. We can’t sustain what’s unsustainable.
Wow what an amazing example of the way we think here in the US. Note that pensions are common across Western Europe (and used to be here too!), where lots of good cars and other products come from. However here in the US they are considered “unsustainable” relics of a bygone era. Rather than thinking — “Hey why don’t we all have a pension like the autoworkers? We should organize and hassle our politicians to make that happen!” we instead think “those darned overpaid spoiled autoworkers! They should be totally f***ed like the rest of us and have to work until they drop!”
And most people here think this way. Go ahead and call me crazy for thinking otherwise, I’m used to it.[/quote]
Ok let’s say pension isn’t a crazy idea. Can you please tell me why I don’t have it? I have a college degree but don’t work for Govt./GM. BTW, Govt/GM are prime examples how things should NOT be managed. I would love to get pension so how can I get it?
It’s NOT sustainable. Look at what happened to GM.
[/quote]You (and anyone else without pension/healthcare benefits) don’t have it because you are unwilling to fight for it. Unfortunately, Americans are lazy and apathetic, and all too eager to take the easy way out. They like to let someone else do the heavy lifting for them. Why weren’t you applying for these union jobs during the boom years?
For decades, the unions have done all the heavy lifting that has enabled the U.S. to have a large and stable middle class. Most people don’t realize that unions also protect the wages, benefits and rights of workers in non-union jobs because the non-union employers have to compete with union employers.
If you don’t have a decent compensation package, find an employer that does offer what you want. Join a union and fight for your own rights and the rights of other workers.
BTW, I think Concho hit the nail on the head. We should not compete with third-world wage earners. We need **fair trade** so we can trade with other countries that have similar environmental and labor protections and standards. Let’s encourage competition that is based on **quality** not on how cheaply (and poorly) something can be made.
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