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Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.[/quote]You might want to consider purchasing a battery array also to store your solar electricity, otherwise the utility company could still make you pay through different rates at different times of day.[/quote]
Great point. I had initially dismissed a battery array as an extravagant and unnecessary expense with high replacement costs. I am now reconsidering my earlier opinion. How things play out legislatively will likely influence our final decision. Time will tell.
There has been a call to legislative action tonight that does not include tapping other available fossil fuels or pursuing expanded domestic oil production. I assume nuclear will not be a favoured option either.
If it goes through, industries will be rocked, taxes and prices will go up, and the economy may be in even greater trouble. Uncertain times to be sure. I think solar will become very attractive to home owner’s with high energy usage profiles. Especially if they have the exposure for a large enough array and will be in the home long enough to realize a ROI directly.
Of course, water power generation faces crippling lawsuits by groups seeking to protect spawning fish and wetlands areas. Wind power generation faces crippling suits by NIMBY opponents and groups seeking to protect birds. Largely leaving solar — but have you seen the analysis that covers much of the country with solar panels and still not covering our energy needs? So either it fails, or we go back to donkeys and bicycles? These things sound great to many because people believe they can have their cake and eat it too. It is often too late once it is realized that this is not always possible.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.[/quote]You might want to consider purchasing a battery array also to store your solar electricity, otherwise the utility company could still make you pay through different rates at different times of day.[/quote]
Great point. I had initially dismissed a battery array as an extravagant and unnecessary expense with high replacement costs. I am now reconsidering my earlier opinion. How things play out legislatively will likely influence our final decision. Time will tell.
There has been a call to legislative action tonight that does not include tapping other available fossil fuels or pursuing expanded domestic oil production. I assume nuclear will not be a favoured option either.
If it goes through, industries will be rocked, taxes and prices will go up, and the economy may be in even greater trouble. Uncertain times to be sure. I think solar will become very attractive to home owner’s with high energy usage profiles. Especially if they have the exposure for a large enough array and will be in the home long enough to realize a ROI directly.
Of course, water power generation faces crippling lawsuits by groups seeking to protect spawning fish and wetlands areas. Wind power generation faces crippling suits by NIMBY opponents and groups seeking to protect birds. Largely leaving solar — but have you seen the analysis that covers much of the country with solar panels and still not covering our energy needs? So either it fails, or we go back to donkeys and bicycles? These things sound great to many because people believe they can have their cake and eat it too. It is often too late once it is realized that this is not always possible.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.[/quote]You might want to consider purchasing a battery array also to store your solar electricity, otherwise the utility company could still make you pay through different rates at different times of day.[/quote]
Great point. I had initially dismissed a battery array as an extravagant and unnecessary expense with high replacement costs. I am now reconsidering my earlier opinion. How things play out legislatively will likely influence our final decision. Time will tell.
There has been a call to legislative action tonight that does not include tapping other available fossil fuels or pursuing expanded domestic oil production. I assume nuclear will not be a favoured option either.
If it goes through, industries will be rocked, taxes and prices will go up, and the economy may be in even greater trouble. Uncertain times to be sure. I think solar will become very attractive to home owner’s with high energy usage profiles. Especially if they have the exposure for a large enough array and will be in the home long enough to realize a ROI directly.
Of course, water power generation faces crippling lawsuits by groups seeking to protect spawning fish and wetlands areas. Wind power generation faces crippling suits by NIMBY opponents and groups seeking to protect birds. Largely leaving solar — but have you seen the analysis that covers much of the country with solar panels and still not covering our energy needs? So either it fails, or we go back to donkeys and bicycles? These things sound great to many because people believe they can have their cake and eat it too. It is often too late once it is realized that this is not always possible.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.[/quote]You might want to consider purchasing a battery array also to store your solar electricity, otherwise the utility company could still make you pay through different rates at different times of day.[/quote]
Great point. I had initially dismissed a battery array as an extravagant and unnecessary expense with high replacement costs. I am now reconsidering my earlier opinion. How things play out legislatively will likely influence our final decision. Time will tell.
There has been a call to legislative action tonight that does not include tapping other available fossil fuels or pursuing expanded domestic oil production. I assume nuclear will not be a favoured option either.
If it goes through, industries will be rocked, taxes and prices will go up, and the economy may be in even greater trouble. Uncertain times to be sure. I think solar will become very attractive to home owner’s with high energy usage profiles. Especially if they have the exposure for a large enough array and will be in the home long enough to realize a ROI directly.
Of course, water power generation faces crippling lawsuits by groups seeking to protect spawning fish and wetlands areas. Wind power generation faces crippling suits by NIMBY opponents and groups seeking to protect birds. Largely leaving solar — but have you seen the analysis that covers much of the country with solar panels and still not covering our energy needs? So either it fails, or we go back to donkeys and bicycles? These things sound great to many because people believe they can have their cake and eat it too. It is often too late once it is realized that this is not always possible.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m throwing a flag here! Stop the political threadjack. This is a question about the merits of installing solar systems on homes not Cap and Trade.[/quote]
What the %$#!?
If you don’t understand the connection between Cap and Trade and the attractiveness of home PV arrays perhaps this isn’t the thread for you as I usually expect astute comments from you. I find it silly to condemn discussion of policies that will directly affect the cost of something a political high jack of a thread. Why not bash someone for mentioning federal tax subsidies when discussing whether it was a good time to buy a couple months ago. Silly.
The attractiveness of solar for non-Gaia worshipers is often in large part tied to the economic costs/returns. This is directly tied to energy costs. Energy costs are going to be tied to Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade is a further abandonment of free trade. Leaders who disfavour freedom in the marketplace in favour of command and control economics are often, in other countries who have had them before us, called “Dear Leader”. This certainly can’t be that controversial as half the country voted for this sort of thing. I’m just going along to get along as I don’t want the Commissar’s apparatchiks knocking on my door for lacking deference to my better.
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.
As an aside, I just heard our Dear Leader will be making a speech in tonight. I’ll be dog-goned if he doesn’t propound some sort of Cap and Trade scheme during this speech.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m throwing a flag here! Stop the political threadjack. This is a question about the merits of installing solar systems on homes not Cap and Trade.[/quote]
What the %$#!?
If you don’t understand the connection between Cap and Trade and the attractiveness of home PV arrays perhaps this isn’t the thread for you as I usually expect astute comments from you. I find it silly to condemn discussion of policies that will directly affect the cost of something a political high jack of a thread. Why not bash someone for mentioning federal tax subsidies when discussing whether it was a good time to buy a couple months ago. Silly.
The attractiveness of solar for non-Gaia worshipers is often in large part tied to the economic costs/returns. This is directly tied to energy costs. Energy costs are going to be tied to Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade is a further abandonment of free trade. Leaders who disfavour freedom in the marketplace in favour of command and control economics are often, in other countries who have had them before us, called “Dear Leader”. This certainly can’t be that controversial as half the country voted for this sort of thing. I’m just going along to get along as I don’t want the Commissar’s apparatchiks knocking on my door for lacking deference to my better.
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.
As an aside, I just heard our Dear Leader will be making a speech in tonight. I’ll be dog-goned if he doesn’t propound some sort of Cap and Trade scheme during this speech.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m throwing a flag here! Stop the political threadjack. This is a question about the merits of installing solar systems on homes not Cap and Trade.[/quote]
What the %$#!?
If you don’t understand the connection between Cap and Trade and the attractiveness of home PV arrays perhaps this isn’t the thread for you as I usually expect astute comments from you. I find it silly to condemn discussion of policies that will directly affect the cost of something a political high jack of a thread. Why not bash someone for mentioning federal tax subsidies when discussing whether it was a good time to buy a couple months ago. Silly.
The attractiveness of solar for non-Gaia worshipers is often in large part tied to the economic costs/returns. This is directly tied to energy costs. Energy costs are going to be tied to Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade is a further abandonment of free trade. Leaders who disfavour freedom in the marketplace in favour of command and control economics are often, in other countries who have had them before us, called “Dear Leader”. This certainly can’t be that controversial as half the country voted for this sort of thing. I’m just going along to get along as I don’t want the Commissar’s apparatchiks knocking on my door for lacking deference to my better.
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.
As an aside, I just heard our Dear Leader will be making a speech in tonight. I’ll be dog-goned if he doesn’t propound some sort of Cap and Trade scheme during this speech.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m throwing a flag here! Stop the political threadjack. This is a question about the merits of installing solar systems on homes not Cap and Trade.[/quote]
What the %$#!?
If you don’t understand the connection between Cap and Trade and the attractiveness of home PV arrays perhaps this isn’t the thread for you as I usually expect astute comments from you. I find it silly to condemn discussion of policies that will directly affect the cost of something a political high jack of a thread. Why not bash someone for mentioning federal tax subsidies when discussing whether it was a good time to buy a couple months ago. Silly.
The attractiveness of solar for non-Gaia worshipers is often in large part tied to the economic costs/returns. This is directly tied to energy costs. Energy costs are going to be tied to Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade is a further abandonment of free trade. Leaders who disfavour freedom in the marketplace in favour of command and control economics are often, in other countries who have had them before us, called “Dear Leader”. This certainly can’t be that controversial as half the country voted for this sort of thing. I’m just going along to get along as I don’t want the Commissar’s apparatchiks knocking on my door for lacking deference to my better.
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.
As an aside, I just heard our Dear Leader will be making a speech in tonight. I’ll be dog-goned if he doesn’t propound some sort of Cap and Trade scheme during this speech.
Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I’m throwing a flag here! Stop the political threadjack. This is a question about the merits of installing solar systems on homes not Cap and Trade.[/quote]
What the %$#!?
If you don’t understand the connection between Cap and Trade and the attractiveness of home PV arrays perhaps this isn’t the thread for you as I usually expect astute comments from you. I find it silly to condemn discussion of policies that will directly affect the cost of something a political high jack of a thread. Why not bash someone for mentioning federal tax subsidies when discussing whether it was a good time to buy a couple months ago. Silly.
The attractiveness of solar for non-Gaia worshipers is often in large part tied to the economic costs/returns. This is directly tied to energy costs. Energy costs are going to be tied to Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade is a further abandonment of free trade. Leaders who disfavour freedom in the marketplace in favour of command and control economics are often, in other countries who have had them before us, called “Dear Leader”. This certainly can’t be that controversial as half the country voted for this sort of thing. I’m just going along to get along as I don’t want the Commissar’s apparatchiks knocking on my door for lacking deference to my better.
Brian, I appreciate your response and would only like to clarify that the attractiveness of solar isn’t just to avoid high electric bills but to ensure that I am able to continue to use the amount of electricity I choose to use — at any price — and at any time of the day.
As an aside, I just heard our Dear Leader will be making a speech in tonight. I’ll be dog-goned if he doesn’t propound some sort of Cap and Trade scheme during this speech.
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
With these new “smart meters” we expect electrical usage to be eventually limited or rationed in some way. Especially when our Dear Leader declares oil drilling evil (thanks BP) and causes another energy crises. I want to be able to use electricity like our Dear Leader plays golf.
[/quote]Electricity will not be rationed because of lack of oil.
The previous Dear Leader, before he departed, already caused oil to skyrocket in price so oil is hardly even used in electricity generation.
In 2008, “Largely due to a sharp rise in oil prices, petroleum-fired generation fell 29.7 percent, to 46 million MWh. Its share of total net generation dropped to 1.1 percent.”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html%5B/quote%5D
Brian, I don’t think you understand what is coming. Cap and Trade is coming. This will limit ALL production of C02 from ANY source — and believe me when I tell you C02 is produced in the production of electricity. Whether it is generated from natural gas or coal it is going to be regulated. This is going to result in an energy crises and your electricity use is going to be limited or rates for large usage profiles will be made punitive. The Gulf leak is going to be used as another crises that shouldn’t be let to go to waste in order to help get it passed.
You made an assumption about the connection of oil to electricity production that I never made. I suggest you educate yourself on Cap and Trade legislation. Moreover, look into Dear Leader’s campaign promises to cripple the coal industry. As for Bush bashing, have at it — Democrats like Bush and hippies piss me off.
EDIT: Just saw Zeitgeist’s post…
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
With these new “smart meters” we expect electrical usage to be eventually limited or rationed in some way. Especially when our Dear Leader declares oil drilling evil (thanks BP) and causes another energy crises. I want to be able to use electricity like our Dear Leader plays golf.
[/quote]Electricity will not be rationed because of lack of oil.
The previous Dear Leader, before he departed, already caused oil to skyrocket in price so oil is hardly even used in electricity generation.
In 2008, “Largely due to a sharp rise in oil prices, petroleum-fired generation fell 29.7 percent, to 46 million MWh. Its share of total net generation dropped to 1.1 percent.”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html%5B/quote%5D
Brian, I don’t think you understand what is coming. Cap and Trade is coming. This will limit ALL production of C02 from ANY source — and believe me when I tell you C02 is produced in the production of electricity. Whether it is generated from natural gas or coal it is going to be regulated. This is going to result in an energy crises and your electricity use is going to be limited or rates for large usage profiles will be made punitive. The Gulf leak is going to be used as another crises that shouldn’t be let to go to waste in order to help get it passed.
You made an assumption about the connection of oil to electricity production that I never made. I suggest you educate yourself on Cap and Trade legislation. Moreover, look into Dear Leader’s campaign promises to cripple the coal industry. As for Bush bashing, have at it — Democrats like Bush and hippies piss me off.
EDIT: Just saw Zeitgeist’s post…
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
With these new “smart meters” we expect electrical usage to be eventually limited or rationed in some way. Especially when our Dear Leader declares oil drilling evil (thanks BP) and causes another energy crises. I want to be able to use electricity like our Dear Leader plays golf.
[/quote]Electricity will not be rationed because of lack of oil.
The previous Dear Leader, before he departed, already caused oil to skyrocket in price so oil is hardly even used in electricity generation.
In 2008, “Largely due to a sharp rise in oil prices, petroleum-fired generation fell 29.7 percent, to 46 million MWh. Its share of total net generation dropped to 1.1 percent.”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html%5B/quote%5D
Brian, I don’t think you understand what is coming. Cap and Trade is coming. This will limit ALL production of C02 from ANY source — and believe me when I tell you C02 is produced in the production of electricity. Whether it is generated from natural gas or coal it is going to be regulated. This is going to result in an energy crises and your electricity use is going to be limited or rates for large usage profiles will be made punitive. The Gulf leak is going to be used as another crises that shouldn’t be let to go to waste in order to help get it passed.
You made an assumption about the connection of oil to electricity production that I never made. I suggest you educate yourself on Cap and Trade legislation. Moreover, look into Dear Leader’s campaign promises to cripple the coal industry. As for Bush bashing, have at it — Democrats like Bush and hippies piss me off.
EDIT: Just saw Zeitgeist’s post…
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
With these new “smart meters” we expect electrical usage to be eventually limited or rationed in some way. Especially when our Dear Leader declares oil drilling evil (thanks BP) and causes another energy crises. I want to be able to use electricity like our Dear Leader plays golf.
[/quote]Electricity will not be rationed because of lack of oil.
The previous Dear Leader, before he departed, already caused oil to skyrocket in price so oil is hardly even used in electricity generation.
In 2008, “Largely due to a sharp rise in oil prices, petroleum-fired generation fell 29.7 percent, to 46 million MWh. Its share of total net generation dropped to 1.1 percent.”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html%5B/quote%5D
Brian, I don’t think you understand what is coming. Cap and Trade is coming. This will limit ALL production of C02 from ANY source — and believe me when I tell you C02 is produced in the production of electricity. Whether it is generated from natural gas or coal it is going to be regulated. This is going to result in an energy crises and your electricity use is going to be limited or rates for large usage profiles will be made punitive. The Gulf leak is going to be used as another crises that shouldn’t be let to go to waste in order to help get it passed.
You made an assumption about the connection of oil to electricity production that I never made. I suggest you educate yourself on Cap and Trade legislation. Moreover, look into Dear Leader’s campaign promises to cripple the coal industry. As for Bush bashing, have at it — Democrats like Bush and hippies piss me off.
EDIT: Just saw Zeitgeist’s post…
Participant[quote=briansd1][quote=faterikcartman]
With these new “smart meters” we expect electrical usage to be eventually limited or rationed in some way. Especially when our Dear Leader declares oil drilling evil (thanks BP) and causes another energy crises. I want to be able to use electricity like our Dear Leader plays golf.
[/quote]Electricity will not be rationed because of lack of oil.
The previous Dear Leader, before he departed, already caused oil to skyrocket in price so oil is hardly even used in electricity generation.
In 2008, “Largely due to a sharp rise in oil prices, petroleum-fired generation fell 29.7 percent, to 46 million MWh. Its share of total net generation dropped to 1.1 percent.”
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricity/epa/epa_sum.html%5B/quote%5D
Brian, I don’t think you understand what is coming. Cap and Trade is coming. This will limit ALL production of C02 from ANY source — and believe me when I tell you C02 is produced in the production of electricity. Whether it is generated from natural gas or coal it is going to be regulated. This is going to result in an energy crises and your electricity use is going to be limited or rates for large usage profiles will be made punitive. The Gulf leak is going to be used as another crises that shouldn’t be let to go to waste in order to help get it passed.
You made an assumption about the connection of oil to electricity production that I never made. I suggest you educate yourself on Cap and Trade legislation. Moreover, look into Dear Leader’s campaign promises to cripple the coal industry. As for Bush bashing, have at it — Democrats like Bush and hippies piss me off.
EDIT: Just saw Zeitgeist’s post…
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