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CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter][img_assist|nid=17932|title=UC admission stat|desc=progressive Hispanic representation on UC campuses.|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=288]
This came from the Chinese language World Journal, which has had in depth coverage of the racist SCA-5.
Judging by the graph, the Whites are progressively declining in their enrollment while the Hispanics are gaining.
If this law passes, it will be used as a tool to affirmatively admit white students in the near future.[/quote]
Cool, then I can have my kid’s last name as “Smith” instead of “Hernandez”….
CoronitaParticipantI’ll add my 2 cents…
I think oil and energy are going to do pretty well.. MSide note…Me thinks europe is going to be seriously considering where to second-source it’s energy sources from aside from Russia… Now that Putin is demonstrating he’s highly unstable and how he/Russia can confiscate assets on a whim…
I’m hoping that as we become more and more a net energy exporter, that it does the economy some good.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=harvey]BTW, why did “oriental” get replaced by “asian.” I never completely understood that one.
I say “asian” because it’s fewer syllables.
My mom still says “oriental” – many in her generation probably still do. I know she doesn’t mean any harm by it.
“Oriental” just means “eastern,” which is still used to describe that part of the world in other contexts.
Does this bill actually mention asians (or orientals) specifically?[/quote]
For some, “oriental” I guess has connotations to “objects”…instead of people…Personally, if someone who isn’t aware of this accidentally says “oriental man” (doesn’t happen as much these days), chances are they don’t mean it to be offensive to begin with. I think there’s a lot more ways a person can be intentionally offensive using much more PC/polite words….So for me, I wouldn’t make a big deal about it… It’s all in the context….
Example would be the botched newscast in SF after the Asiana flight crash…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=scaredyclassic]i always liked oriental avenue and the light blue properties on the monopoly board. they seemed reasonably priced, a decent value. then again, I always covet baltic and mediterranean, and have the greens and yellows. too ritzy for me. now i live in a green property. i’d probably prefer something in the purples, maybe st. charles, or tennessee avenue.[/quote]
Statistically, the best properties are the orange and red ones, with a second place going to the purple properties…….As one has the most chance of landing there… You have a pretty good chance of ending up in jail many times, and there’s a chance card that says go to illnois or st. charles place…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN][quote=ocrenter][quote=Blogstar]Asians are historically not good at lobbying and should be given preference.
This debate should be focused on third grade students and younger. By the end of third grade , young ones should be ready for 4th, or else they are disadvantaged. Waiting until they are college age to rectify disadvantage is where all the trouble comes from.[/quote]
that’s the problem people don’t seem to get.
you get a guy that’s well suited for SDSU and bump him up so he can get to UCLA and he’s going to get burnt. Everything in college is graded on a bell shaped curve. So you pretty much just guarenteed he’ll be lagging behind the curve in college, and probaly eventually drop out.[/quote]+100[/quote]
It happened at my school. The first two years was a weeding out process for engineering. A lot of folks couldn’t keep up.. No amount of tutorial, help, coaching etc, could make up for the deficit accumulated prior to entering college.
It actually was counter productive. Because some of these folks barely graduated, and once graduated barely had any sort of decent position lined up…
I said this before as well. Solution of trying to lower the bar entering college isn’t helpful, unless one plans on lowering the bar once in college as well. If that happens, it doesn’t help unless employers lower the bar for employees. If that happens in the domestic companies, it certainly won’t happen on any sort of global company that is not domestic..And then you need to deal with global competition.
The way to solve this is to address disparity while the kids are young(er)…Just about every other modern nation that values education does this.
I don’t have any issues with parents from social-economic disadvantaged homes even sending their kids to “better” public schools via some voucher, or specialized charter school/system and would even be a proponent of helping fund those schools for social-economic disadvantaged children…At least parents who are actively seeking sort of a commitment demonstrates they are willing to put thought into improving one’s kids’ situation..At least at that point, everyone is more or less at an equal playing field…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=Blogstar]I am disadvantaged with touch control electronics devices. People with little hands must make them.[/quote]
Lol.. Thanks for making my laugh for today..
CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.
I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]
I’m pretty happy that with an administration that already went out of a limb backing it, that the justices came back and kinda punted on the issue and didn’t say it was allowable… In fact, it seemed like they weren’t a particular big proponent of it and deferred it back to the state…(for now)….At least it can be challenged again….
I’m more curious what the California Teacher’s Association was doing backing this?
I think before any asian american parents donate another cent to their respective public schools to better the enrichment programs for all kids at the public school, we probably should get better clarity from our public school educators what they are doing for us to ensure our kids have an equal shot at the opportunities out there.. Specifically, what is their take on SCA-5…
I sure am holding off my 2014 contributions to our public schools until I get more clarity… IF my kid is going to be discriminated again. Why should I bother going out and spending my money to help enrichment programs that benefit other people who otherwise wouldn’t?
CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu][quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.
I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]
I’m not sure it’s that really. I think it’s more of the path of least resistance. I think some of our politicians were gambling on the fact that asians would just take it and move on…What’s more surprising to me is which politicians it’s coming out of…. I mean some of these fine politicians sure seem to be doing a pretty fine job of setting back civil rights 50+years or so…..
The most hypocritical thing about this is at the same time UC regents are heavily recruiting foreign students from asia..Simply because the can pay the full tuition cost….The irony….[/quote]
And they were right, we did just take it and move on. And remember, thousands of AA students get discriminated by state schools and IVY league quotas every year, but it took a white girl to fight our fight to the Supreme Court.
I don’t think they look at us any differently. The 4th Gen Japanese or Cantonese applying to UC are just making their racial stats look bad, at least the Corrupt Chinese official’s kid has to pay the Max non-resident tuition.
The civil rights leaders never had AA’s interest in mind. This is why it annoys to no end that the few AA politicians end up kissing up to them as if all the colored folks need to stick together. Then when it is time to fight for Asian rights, these guys just throw us right under the bus by using terms like “disadvantaged minority” that essentially remove AA’s from that group, when we got plenty of disadvantaged folks around.[/quote]
Well it’s simple….Asians don’t tend to go to the elections, until the crapper hits the fan… It will be very very interesting to see what happens this coming election… The fact that Ted Lieu and the other two idiots are now backpeddling to me tells me they are in trouble…big time….
CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
[/quote]Agree, I followed that case with eager anticipation last year, was not too pleased when they essentially just avoided the issue.
I think it all goes to the fear of the “yellow plague” dominating the upper crust of society. They are perfectly fine letting the Jews dominate because at the end, they are still white.[/quote]
I’m not sure it’s that really. I think it’s more of the path of least resistance. I think some of our politicians were gambling on the fact that asians would just take it and move on…What’s more surprising to me is which politicians it’s coming out of…. I mean some of these fine politicians sure seem to be doing a pretty fine job of setting back civil rights 50+years or so…..
The most hypocritical thing about this is at the same time UC regents are heavily recruiting foreign students from asia..Simply because the can pay the full tuition cost….The irony….
CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu][quote=ocrenter]
+1
signed the petitions and writing e-mail to my assemblymember.
already a victim of affirmative action back in the early 90’s, not about to see it happen with my kid too.[/quote]
You know….When I was going through school. I wasn’t like all the other kids in my class, asian or caucasian…A lot of them were really smart and didn’t need to “study” that much… In a lot of ways, I probably (by today’s standards) had a learning disability.
In elementary, those “joke” standardized Iowa tests, most kids I knew consistently scored 90% and above, I was down there around in the 56% percentile. And I had a reading comprehension problem all the way throughout high school… I couldn’t read fast(er), and it would literally take me 1/2 hr to get through 20 pages or so….I had to work twice as much as the average kid to achieve the same level of competence as everyone else. But on the surface, no one could tell the difference since I liked what I did and even if it was hard, I stuck doing it.
It was a real shocker when I got into pedigree ivy college, and when I got there even more shocking that it would have been far easier if
1) My parents had money
or
2) I was one of those protected minoritiesSo in short, so yeah I totally get where you’re coming from….Been there done that, and yeah, ain’t gonna let this happen to my kid without a bloody fight…
A lot of asians have(d )the thought process that the status quo is that well, as long as my kid does better than your kid (that is also asian), it’s not my problem…. It appears these folks are finally getting what a big problem it really is…And that’s a good thing..
I don’t think anyone is even asking for anything close to preferential treatment. I think what people are asking for is a level playing field…
Anyway, I’m done writing a dozen or so letters, and soliciting for a dozen or so organizations to pass the word around tonight…
And a few of the folks here that signed the petition as a result of this original thread I started, I’m very greatful that you took the time to do it. Thank you… Good night.[/quote]
Flashing back to college application process, I’m thinking, how come everything is so racial, didn’t the fact that we overcame downright poverty make any difference to these people? And don’t even get me started on the hypocrisy of La Raza once I’m in college.
Have you contacted some of the fobbie media outlet out there? If not I’m going start looking them up and calling, at least the Chinese speaking ones first, afterall, they managed to have a state senator from the 626 pull this on us and didn’t do a thing Bout it, I am still in shock!!![/quote]
Actually, there is already heavy campaigning going on the chinese news media, and even at the bigger enrichment/ saturday schools in San Diego County….
The problem is that most other news media (mainstream) aren’t covering it….I think that’s where the shock and awe factor would be helpful…
CoronitaParticipant….this will be a constitutional issue eventually…
It’s unavoidable..http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/24/politics/scotus-texas-affirmative-action/
Washington (CNN) — The Supreme Court sidestepped a sweeping decision on the use of race-conscious school admission policies, ruling Monday on the criteria at the University of Texas and whether it violates the equal protection rights of some white applicants.
The justices threw the case back to the lower courts for further review. The court affirmed the use of race in the admissions process, but made it harder for institutions to use such policies to achieve diversity. The 7-1 decision avoids the larger constitutional issues.Abigail Noel Fisher individually sued the flagship state university after her college application was rejected in 2008 when she was a high school senior in Sugar Land, Texas. She claims it was because she is white and that she was being treated differently than some less-qualified minority students who were accepted.
In a statement after the ruling Fisher said, “I am grateful to the justices for moving the nation closer to the day when a student’s race isn’t used at all in college admissions.”
The decision comes as the justices work toward wrapping up a busy term.
Among the big issues yet to be resolved: federal enforcement of the Voting Rights Act and the politically blockbuster constitutionality of same-sex marriage.
The Supreme Court plans to meet again on Tuesday to issue additional opinions.
In the Texas case, the school defended its policy of considering race as one of many factors, such as test scores, community service, leadership, and work experience, designed to create a diverse campus.
University encouraged by decision
The university said it was encouraged by the decision.
“We remain committed to assembling a student body at The University of Texas at Austin that provides the educational benefits of diversity on campus while respecting the rights of all students and acting within the constitutional framework established by the court,” said school President Bill Powers.
The Obama administration agreed with the school, saying to grow a nation built on differing complexions and backgrounds will depend on future leaders “who possess the understanding of diversity that is necessary to govern and defend the United States.”
In ruling narrowly, the court reaffirmed earlier decisions allowing for a limited use of race-conscious public policies.
“The attainment of a diverse student body serves values beyond race alone, including enhanced classroom dialogue and the lessening of racial isolation and stereotypes,” wrote Justice Anthony Kennedy in the majority opinion.
Ex-student challenges university’s affirmative action policy
But Kennedy said that such admissions programs must withstand close review.
Kennedy said the “university must prove that the means chosen” to attain diversity “are narrowly tailored to that goal,” adding that the highest level of legal standard must be met before institutions use diversity programs.
“Strict scrutiny (of the policy) imposes on the university the ultimate burden of demonstrating, before turning to racial classification, that available, workable race-neutral alternatives do not suffice,” he said.
The Supreme Court in recent decades has established a three-pronged test to balance the government’s interest against a constitutional right or principle, and decide which laws may go too far. These standards of review are rational basis scrutiny, heightened scrutiny, and strict scrutiny.
Kennedy said the appropriate standard was not applied properly by the lower federal courts in the Fisher case.
He said state universities must demonstrate to the courts that no workable race-neutral alternatives would produce the desired educational and social benefits.
Justices Stephen Breyer and Sonia Sotomayor, who are more left-leaning, agreed with the Supreme Court’s five conservatives.
Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas also agreed with the limited reach of the ruling, but separately suggested continuing use of diversity programs in the classroom were unconstitutional.
“Although cloaked in good intentions, the university’s racial tinkering harms the very people it claims to be helping,” said Thomas, the court’s only African-American, who himself benefited from affirmative action programs early in his academic and professional career.
Only Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with the majority’s conclusion lower courts should take another look at the Fisher case.
“Government actors need not be blind to to the lingering effects of an overtly discriminatory past,” she said. “I have said before and reiterate here that only an ostrich could regard the supposedly neutral alternative as race unconscious.”
Justice Elena Kagan did not participate in the case because she apparently had been briefed on the issue as the Obama administration’s solicitor general before joining the high court.The justices said in 2003 that state universities can, in limited circumstances, tailor their admissions policies to consider an applicant’s race.
And this court was clearly divided along ideological lines during last October’s oral arguments about whether affirmative action essentially has run its social and legal course, and should no longer be used in the way schools like the Texas university has done.
The state of Texas provides for a hybrid admissions policy: Automatic acceptance to its university’s main campus in Austin for in-state students finishing in the top 10 percent of their high schools, ensuring a measure of non-subjective diversity. Three-fourths of the in-state student body get in this way.
Fisher just missed that opportunity, so had to compete in a separate pool of students seeking to attend the highly competitive school. It is that selection process that was before the court.
The school, with 52,000 students, has touted its “holistic” policy of considering race as one of many factors.
African-Americans in Texas as a whole represent about 12 percent of the overall population, but only make up about 5 or 6 percent of University of Texas admissions.
The high court will get another crack at the issue this fall in a separate appeal.
The justices will decide the constitutionality of a voter referendum in Michigan banning race- and sex-based discrimination or preferential treatment in public university admission decisions. Oral arguments are likely in October.
The case is Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin (11-345).
CoronitaParticipantBump… How the fvck did this thread go from this topic….
[quote=ocrenter][quote=flu]For folks that are interested in writing to your congressman, but aren’t sure what to write, here’s a tip/sample letter…
Enough said…
[img_assist|nid=17929|title=no on sca 5|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=461|height=600][/quote]
Dude, you need to mail this letter to that Hernandez clown. That’s powerful, flu, you should be proud.[/quote]
…to this….a rant about CEO’s pay????Talk about thread hijack….
[quote=CA renter]But there’s at least one group that has done very well for themselves over the past few decades!
We’ve made progress on a lot of things since the 1950s and so have CEOs — in their quest for more money that is.
The ratio of CEO-to-worker pay has increased 1,000 percent since 1950, according to data from Bloomberg. Today Fortune 500 CEOs make 204 times regular workers on average, Bloomberg found. The ratio is up from 120-to-1 in 2000, 42-to-1 in 1980 and 20-to-1 in 1950.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/ceo-to-worker-pay-ratio_n_3184623.html%5B/quote%5D
But I’ll stretch…CEO’s wouldn’t dare to pass a blatantly discriminatory law as some of our most racists politicians would…. Funny how people continue to attack CEOs, and wealthy and redirect the real root of the problem, while the biggest threat to equality is staring right in front of them…
Of course, I guess for some (not all) if you’re not affected by these ridiculous prejudice laws, I guess it doesn’t matter to you.. So I guess for some, we haven’t learned anything for the past 50 years about civil rights and basic principles of right versus wrong….They might move an entire company to a lower cost area, and in the process screw everyone at the company under, but it’s not personal it’s business. It’s not targeted because you are white, black, hispanic, and/or asian…
But whatever…. IF you think these STEM jobs or what have you aren’t important enough for your kids, then fine… Please give tell your kids not to bother to apply so people who really do want them have a better chance…Because I’m sure there are plenty of people who would want them…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=ocrenter]
+1
signed the petitions and writing e-mail to my assemblymember.
already a victim of affirmative action back in the early 90’s, not about to see it happen with my kid too.[/quote]
You know….When I was going through school. I wasn’t like all the other kids in my class, asian or caucasian…A lot of them were really smart and didn’t need to “study” that much… In a lot of ways, I probably (by today’s standards) had a learning disability.
In elementary, those “joke” standardized Iowa tests, most kids I knew consistently scored 90% and above, I was down there around in the 56% percentile. And I had a reading comprehension problem all the way throughout high school… I couldn’t read fast(er), and it would literally take me 1/2 hr to get through 20 pages or so….I had to work twice as much as the average kid to achieve the same level of competence as everyone else. But on the surface, no one could tell the difference since I liked what I did and even if it was hard, I stuck doing it.
It was a real shocker when I got into pedigree ivy college, and when I got there even more shocking that it would have been far easier if
1) My parents had money
or
2) I was one of those protected minoritiesSo in short, so yeah I totally get where you’re coming from….Been there done that, and yeah, ain’t gonna let this happen to my kid without a bloody fight…
A lot of asians have(d )the thought process that the status quo is that well, as long as my kid does better than your kid (that is also asian), it’s not my problem…. It appears these folks are finally getting what a big problem it really is…And that’s a good thing..
I don’t think anyone is even asking for anything close to preferential treatment. I think what people are asking for is a level playing field…
Anyway, I’m done writing a dozen or so letters, and soliciting for a dozen or so organizations to pass the word around tonight…
And a few of the folks here that signed the petition as a result of this original thread I started, I’m very greatful that you took the time to do it. Thank you… Good night.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN][quote=flu][quote=paramount]To be honest flu, thanks to you I’ve done very well with phot. Thanks.[/quote]
Did you not listen to me and decide to short it ? Lol[/quote]
I too benefit greatly from PHOT. Thanks flu[/quote]So you shorted it too? 🙂
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