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CoronitaParticipantHere’s the problem I have with the concept the concept of “good enough”…
Good enough meaning, if you’re careless and get things wrong but understand the basic concepts, “good enough”…pass with “above expectations”…
If you understand basic material. Good enough…Don’t need to challenge oneself anymore…
If you’re outside running around, “good enough”… No need to time the event.. It doesn’t matter what time you finish in..
If you stink at sports… “good enough” if you’re just out there taking up space…
Some kids don’t take this to heart and actually want to be better depending on what… If not in academics, in sports, or both…
The problem is some kids (mine I think) actually take it to heart the concept of “good enough” overboard…and started not giving a hoot…
Need to deprogram the concept of “good enough”. It’s not that I expect perfection. But this “good enough” concept is just..mind boggling to me…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=UCGal]I feel your pain, flu. I sucked at sports, and hope to have my kids suck less. We’ve got them in basketball (two different seasons, summer and winter), and baseball. (fall ball and spring ball). They both hated soccer from the get-go.
Despite them not being naturals, they *are* learning team work and their skills are improving. In basketball it helps that they are on the tall-side for their age.
My younger son is much more into baseball than the older son. He’s chosen catcher as his position and worked hard to improve his skills. My older son plays baseball for social reasons, not because he’s enjoying the game, just the comradery. I don’t care -he’s outside, being physical, learning to work on a team. Over time, he’ll improve.
I’m not sure what sport your daughter is playing – but my younger son’s basketball league has a girls team playing against the other boys teams. It’s a group of girls that have played as a team in multiple leagues (basically, they’re ringers). They were phenomenal. Go girl-power.[/quote]
She hates soccer (ok, well she says she hates it but didn’t really play on a team). She says she wanted to do basketball. But how she is when she’s playing with me is completely different when there’s a bunch of people. I guess part of it is personality…She doesn’t like confrontation. I think given the choices between winning and making the other team feel bad or having a tie, she’d rather have a tie….I think she took a little too seriously at school when they were told “winning isn’t everything”..One time I said “well, people don’t play to lose”….I made the mistake of initially not putting my kid in a competitive sport. I regret that… A little competition isn’t a bad idea. It builds character and goals to do better.
CoronitaParticipantI learned a new acronym today…
NIMBYism
I never knew…
What about if you’re a poor person like me and don’t really have a backyard?
CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]They got an office in Irvine, Heck that would actually work for me LOL.[/quote]
I tried the commute since I have to go there sometimes. It sucks, even from north county. especially on a friday..
Google did indicate they have a commuter van from San Diego to Irvine. I guess you can also take the coaster.
Amazon is up there too.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=UCGal]NIMBYism on steroids.
You state that Chula Vista residents didn’t want newcomers, new development. But there has been new housing built everywhere in the county, traffic has been impacted everywhere in the county.
Back on the topic of silicon valley prices… Friends moved up there last year when he left Qcom for Goog. They sold their paid off Carmel Valley 4Ksf home for well over $1M. They are renting a 1600sf beater house in Palo Alto for almost $4k/month. They are having no luck finding a house for $2.5M or less in Palo Alto.
The increased google salary was not enough to compensate for the HUGE increase in housing costs.[/quote]
Lol. My friends that left for apple and google did the same thing…
And the funny part is the recruiters keep calling me and asking if I want to join them. I keep telling them, sure as soon as they open an office in San Diego.. I figure if I say it enough times, they might do it… and if they do, I’ll be sort of laughing that I didn’t need to relocate.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]I did a quick search there are actually quite a few new single family homes going up within 1 to 1.5 hours commute from San Jose for under 500K but not sure about the hood.
Hey if google employee’s ride a bus 90 minutes (just saying).
Yea it’s probably about commute time and schools plus further from the Ocean and SF.
Having been to SF quite a few times, I still don’t see the draw. I guess to each their own.[/quote]
The school district is the suck
CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler]I was hearing that they were building new tract homes for around 500K to the north/east of San Jose area (not sure about what the schools would look like).
It’s kind of funny a lot google employees live in SF but have to hop on a bus for 90 Minutes to get to work at the google facility.
Yea I really don’t get it,[/quote]
Sold out 🙂
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]
You underestimate the amount of money floating in the Bay Area…
People have been saying this about the SFBA since the gold rush. This hasn’t changed the propensity for bubbles and bursts.
Secondly – there is room to build relatively close to SF. Oakland. East Palo Alto. Areas need to gentrify, but this will happen.[/quote]
And neither has the dominance of tech capital in terms of wealth and housing prices. Housing prices have always been expensive in the bay area…
And even if East PA or Oakland would be gentrified (which would take a long long time), housing would still be in short supply…
The housing prices go up pretty exponentially relative to the school district in the Bay Area. Look no further than Cupertino, Palo Alto, and Mission San Jose..And in SF there’s always banker hill, which is spoken for by your elite 0.05%.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=The-Shoveler][quote=flu][quote=Hobie]Thats why you see a lot of grey in senior management :)[/quote]
Unless you happen to be one of the idiots that insisted on staying technical hands on throughout your career :)[/quote]
That’s me LOL…
Hey I am still employed in the Tech field while more than a few buddies who went the management route are not.
I think in defense or a very large company Management may be a safer route (for staying employed at that company) but for small or mid size firms, the main thing is results and earnings and who can help you get more earnings.
In a very large code base it takes about a year to come up to speed, if someone is producing on that system, you don’t get rid of them easily.
Small systems (That did not take 10 or more years to develop) maybe it is a little easier.[/quote]
That’s me too.. And like I said, I’m an idiot…I’d love to chat more, but in about 5 minutes I need to get on the phone with part of my team in Bangalore… 🙂
CoronitaParticipant[quote=Hobie]Thats why you see a lot of grey in senior management :)[/quote]
Unless you happen to be one of the idiots that insisted on staying technical hands on throughout your career 🙂
CoronitaParticipant[quote=deadzone]I’m sure there are a few “exceptional” cases where it is necessary to hire a foreign specialist. However, I’m tired of hearing the propaganda that we need to bring in more high skilled foreign tech workers because we don’t have enough engineers and scientists in this country. There is absolutely no evidence to support that.
Here is a good article describing this Myth of the STEM worker shortage.
http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/03/the-myth-of-the-science-and-engineering-shortage/284359/%5B/quote%5DThere weren’t many people that were willing or able to do embedded mobile O/S when we went on our hiring spree a few years. And take a look at the number of EE/CS graduates, most of them are H1-B… There’s different level of STEM workers, and different skill sets. It really depends…Unfortunately, a lot of STEMs isn’t transferable. For example, you can’t really take a mechanical engineer and stick him in doing RF design, vise versus.. You can’t really take a software apps guy and have him to digital signal processing. And it’s unrealistic to take a firmware engineer to write the most elegant user interfaces and web/mobile apps…
People don’t understand that “STEMS” term covering a huge range of different disciplines. The difference is if people want and are able to break out of their mold and retrain (themselves) into something else. Some have done so, others have not or will not or cannot…
Are some bottom feeder companies taking advantage of the H1-B system? Absolutely…Is there an across the board shortage in every field, certainly not. Is there shortages in some areas. Absolutely yes…Is there age discrimination in tech? Probably, indirectly. I think companies often don’t want to pay for someone 15-20+years of experience when most jobs might only require say 10-12 years…..Maybe more likely that a young(er) person will replace you (that happens to be an H1-B qualified candidate). The output of *most* 20+veterans that has 2x more odometer in tech probably are not necessarily 2x better at doing their job than someone 10 years younger…There are exceptions, in some tech professions, and some superstars ( I know I probably am not )…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=deadzone]Speaking of H1B, I’m not a big fan of that either. Does your colleage, for instance, provide some type of unique skill that no American citizen can provide? I doubt it. The H1B program is clearly a scam used by corporations to hire cheap technical labor.[/quote]
It’s a double edge sword. There are companies that do abuse the H1-B system. They tend to be bottom feeder seedy contracting/contractor chopshops, and frankly you probably don’t want to be in a situation to work for those contracts….There was I remember one headhunter that was speaking to me because we needed a contractor for a short duration, and I remember the guy had a company and would “bench” H1-Bs without real work available… Gray area/borderline illegal (and no, we didn’t bother with chopshops like that)…
But there are also plenty of of jobs that college grads without h1-b’s either don’t want to do or aren’t qualify to do. For example, there weren’t too many candidates out of college that were interested in doing embedded O/S mobile development.. Most of the college grads wanted to go work for facebook, linkedin, and to a lesser extend apple and google…
And let’s face it…Also else being equal, a tech company would rather take a younger person than take and older person and retrain them….It’s how it is..The argument about “experience” in tech only works so far. You don’t get “life credits” just for having a lot of miles on the odometer. It’s “relevant experience” that counts…And especially with tech, a lot of skills either becomes outdated or there ends up being an influx of too much supply of a skill very quickly. So the burden of “proving” one’s net worth ends up being oneself in staying current and staying at the top of the game….
Regardless, the H1-B “threat” is not nearly as big a “threat” as a company deciding to move an entire operations offshore, especially as more and more business comes out of Asia versus the U.S….Also, when a US companies start competing strictly based on cost, you know the end is near because a US company will never win based on cost alone… I’ll use my own employer for example.One of our competitors is based in Taiwan. They can easily fly people from Taiwan to China for cheap, where the bulk of the new business is coming from…How many US employees want to fly 15+hours every 2 weeks to hang out with customers in China versus if you had an office of employees in Banglore 5 hours away? How much in operating expenses between the two…
I speak, as I’m turning 40, and acknowledge I’m one of those people that will have a target on my back sooner versus later… It’s not great, but it is what it is. Because when you get older, you have to at some point decide whether you have the time, energy, desire to keep up.. Or if you come to the point in which you think, enough is enough, and decide to do something else….(And yes, that thought process tends to happen a lot more for me these days :))
CoronitaParticipantUnrelated. What I find really interesting is some of the H1-B workers here complain about US companies outsourcing work back to India and China….
I wonder if at times this country really cares about growing more educated people in this country, or would it rather prefer keeping educated people to a few and growing an uneducated majority class.
Some of the immigration laws are just pretty wacked.
CoronitaParticipantI was talking to my colleague, who is a double degreed masters EE/CS on H1-B, really smart guy and has a lot of great ideas that we would like to do on his own… He’s still waiting for his greencard (been about 3-4 years)…Unfortunately, the company he’s working for is not doing so well, and if he get’s laidoff, it really messes up his visa status.. (at least he doesn’t have to start over, like it use to be)…
I asked him what we was going to do if he gets laidoff… Jokingly he said…”Well, maybe I can leave the country, and come back through the south border as a refugee. Afterall, I might be able to get my greencard faster going that route than this route as a priority 2 H1-B high skill tech worker…”.. Yes, it was tongue and cheek. But it was kinda funny…Sad…but funny….
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