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CoronitaParticipantAs predicted…
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2b55b0b6-7a71-11e4-a8e1-00144feabdc0.html
US refineries run flat out to process cheap crude
Domestic demand for fuel has been tepid since the financial crisis, but that is also now set to change. The winter slowdown notwithstanding, drivers are returning to roads in numbers last seen in 2008 and are again buying gas-guzzling vehicles.
“The F150s [a Ford pickup model] and the SUVs are flying out of the dealers’ showrooms these days,” says Charlie Drevna, president of American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers, a refiner industry group. “You can’t put the spouse, the Rottweiler, the hockey equipment and the kids in a Smart car.”
CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN]Interesting exit poll from the 2014 elections:
http://www.cnn.com/election/2014/results/race/house#exit-polls%5B/quote%5DIn this mid term, Asians were split nearly evenly nationally between GOP and Democrats…Compared to two years ago, I think the split was only 28% voting for the GOP… Granted it’s a midterm election, but even compared to the last midterm, it’s about 8%-10% increase for the GOP….
While probably not every asian feels this way, I know some asians do feel some of the policies set forth by the democrat platform are discriminatory against asians and this entire double standard unfairly punishes hard working individuals simply because of their race/ethnicity….Ironic, frankly…
My kid my be average at best (looks like it), but why should my kid have to work twice as hard for half the number of seats at colleges, simply because she has black hair, yellow skin, and an asian last name? Fvck that. And fvck affirmative action and quotas..
It’s also interesting there were a lot of “minorities” that ran on the GOP ticket that won this time….
CoronitaParticipantLike I said before…At least at the local elections….Until CA democrats in CA change their viewpoint on affirmative action or ridiculous things like SCA-5 and drastically changes what “need based admissions means”, I will vote accordingly against every one of them locally whether their opponent is GOP or an independent…indefinitely….
Anything to deny democrats a super majority in this state.Thank you State Senator Janet Nguyen of Orange County, District #34…
Which isn’t really that bad because imho the local/state GOP candidates tend to be more moderate than probably some democrats from the midwest or south…
As far as the national election, I’ll vote accordingly based on who the underdog is…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]I was actually rear-ended by an Envoy in a Miata. Still alive, though I did make the dumb bint who was driving it cry before the cops got there. No apology from her, just a mewling “I didn’t see you, I was on my phone.”
“What if it would have been a bicyclist, you dumbshite? You’d be heading to jail for manslaughter right now. Know what happens to rich kids like you in county jail? … … …” So easy, hope she learned a lesson.
And her daddy dearest’s insurance paid for book value plus other things within a week.[/quote]
I guess we can count on you staying the U.S. and paying taxes for a longer period of time 🙂
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]
As far as crash safety, they’re nimble little cars. I’d rather avoid a crash than survive one. And besides, I ride motorcycles, so I’m not a fearful little kathoey.[/quote]
Just wait until you get rear ended by a Yukon, Suburban, Escalade, Expedition, or something similiar..Assuming they emergency crew can peel you and the Fiat off the front bumper of the aforementioned vehicles..
CoronitaParticipant[quote=FlyerInHi]a cursory look at the fiat website shows credit upt to $14k.
http://www.fiatusa.com/en/500e/#flu, I laughed at the fiat reliability joke.
But it’s a stylish urban car.[/quote]It was tongue and cheek, but then again not really. At least not for the Fiat500L
“The new Fiat 500L was ranked the least reliable car out of the 248 vehicles Consumer Reports rated.”
Also, I would not want to be caught in one of these in an accident…
…..compared to a german subcompact
…or a scoobie…
CoronitaParticipantSomehow I think any politician that suggests taxing oil/gas to the max as a means to force americans to consume less energy would have a very very short political career, especially when the majority of non-5%ers that can barely afford their over-leveraged paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyle end up having to pay even more for their vehicles.
Afterall, according to Jonathan Gruber, the average american voter is stupid and would never vote for a tax that is supposedly good, but nevertheless being stupid, needs to be conned into doing something that is for the greater good:
In his terms this would be most likely explained as
“In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that fuel consuming people are going to pay in, it would not have passed, okay. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass”
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Which is why the Feds should pimp-slap fossil fuels for motor use with a punitive tax. Start it at one cent per gallon. Double every two years 🙂
That would be the best of all worlds. Incentive for consumers to move away from oil without oil production fouling North American soil.
Other ideal scenario would be a dead US frack industry combined with political unrest in the Middle East a few years from now. Oil hitting $200+/bbl would be good shock treatment for the US.[/quote]
Thankfully you aren’t God….:)
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Celebrating: only in the context of wrecking industries based on inefficient and polluting extraction of oil. If we’re going to have pollution from oil extraction, better it be in Saudi, not in North America, and best to use oil that flows easily vs needing heroic (and more polluting) means to extract.[/quote]
Well people who really care about the environment probably should care about the extra pollution resulting from increased consumption, whether the oil production happens here in the U.S. or abroad…Afterall, it’s still the same planet….
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Did I say that they were?[/quote]
Well, you seemed to be celebrating plunging oil prices.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]
fossil fuel won’t stay cheap forever. Either FCV won’t get cheap and eventually, we’ll run out of fossil fuel in 100 years and it’ll get more expensive than FCV or FCV will get cheaper through technology. Regardless of how it happen, I don’t care. I would gladly use ICE cars as long as it’s the cheapest solutions. I could careless about the greeny. They can spend their own money.
People like you are why civilized countries tax gasoline at 300% or more of actual cost. The Earth doesn’t have another 100 years of us vomiting CO2 into the atmosphere. And until we find another home, it doesn’t behoove us to crap where we sleep.[/quote]
Expensive fuel costs would actually encourage energy efficiency. Making it cheap wouldn’t. So I hardly see plunging fuel prices as *good* towards improving fuel efficiency.
CoronitaParticipant[quote=AN]Fiat 500 starts at $17,145 and get 40MPG. Fiat 500e starts at $32,300. So, for the price difference of $15,155, you get get ~5050 gallons of fuel @ $3/gallon. @40MPG, you’re looking at a break even mileage of 202k miles. 202k miles at 60 miles/day, it would take your friend about 13 years of commute to just break even. Yep, that seems like a smart way to spend your money.[/quote]
and considering it’s a fiat, it won’t last 202k miles
CoronitaParticipant[quote=flu][quote=spdrun]Solyndra was one company out of many. Not all investments pan out — that’s life.[/quote]
How about now chinese owned A123 Systems, after spending some of our green energy government grants, and all that I.P. going overseas after they filed BK…with taxpayer dollars footing some of that R&D bill?[/quote]
How about Aptera?
and just curious.. If gas is cheap. I mean really cheap… Do consumers really *need* to buy more efficient cars like a Prius? Or do you think they’ll just simply take their slightly more discretionary income and spend it on other useless discretionary income…
CoronitaParticipant[quote=spdrun]Solyndra was one company out of many. Not all investments pan out — that’s life.[/quote]
How about now chinese owned A123 Systems, after spending some of our green energy government grants, and all that I.P. going overseas after they filed BK…with taxpayer dollars footing some of that R&D bill?
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